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Shane McGlaun (Blog) - March 5, 2008 3:41 PM

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Chart Showing Number of Notebooks Shipped Worldwide (Source: DisplaySearch)

Acer passes Dell as the number two notebook PC maker in the world

Notebook manufacturers are always fighting it out for global supremacy, measured in the number of computers sold and shipped around the world. Market research firm DisplaySearch routinely ranks the companies according to the number of notebooks shipped.

DisplaySearch released a new report this week that shows some interesting information. While HP maintained its worldwide market dominance of the notebook PC industry holding on to its number one spot for the sixth straight quarter, Acer is making huge gains on the list. Acer overtook Dell as the number two notebook maker in the world.

HP moved more than 6 million notebook computers in Q4 2007 while Acer showed big gains shipping 5.25 million notebooks worldwide leaving it about 1.4 million units behind number one HP. Dell ranked third with shipments of 4.64 million units.

Acer’s acquisitions of rival PC makers Gateway and Packard Bell enabled it to beat Dell out of the second place spot on the DisplaySearch list. However, DisplaySearch points out that Acer was able to dramatically narrow the gap between it and Dell with Acer branded notebooks alone.

Fourth place on the list goes to Toshiba with 2.86 million notebooks shipped in Q4 2007. Fifth place went to Lenovo with 2.73 million and Fujitsu captured sixth place with 1.62 million shipped. Sony, Asus and Apple rounded out the list with 1.59 million, 1.56 million and 1.34 million unit shipped respectively. All other PC makers not listed by name in the report account for 5.55 million units shipped.

Some other interesting facts from the report were that the most popular size notebook was the 15.4-inch with 1280 x 800 resolution. In a distant second place were notebooks with 14.1-inch screens.

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So much for Apple's taking over

By darkpaw on 3/5/2008 5:20:23 PM , Rating: 2

Love how the Apple Fanatics have been saying they are becoming so popular and will own Vista.

They actually went down a bit in market share for laptops this year from 4.7 to 4.1%. Since laptops are the big growth market, so much for the Apple revolution.

Reality to Apple fanatics: They will always be a niche product for the yuppie Starbucks set.

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/08, Rating: -1

By Pirks on 3/5/2008 5:37:42 PM , Rating: -1

The only thing that saves anti-Apple zealots from shame is the fact that nobody publishes marketshare by CONSUMER DOLLARS spent. Sure, everybody knows that Dell/HP/Acer and other cheapo-makers churn out tons and tons of cheapo $500-$1000 notebooks. I even own one of them, a 17" Dell Vostro 1700 - pretty large and heavy beast, much larger and much heavier than Apple MacBook Pro 17", and much _much_ cheaper than Apple 17" notebook of course. So yeah, all these Dells and HPs really beat Apple easily on units sold. Of course Dell sells A LOT of cheapo notebooks, much more unit-wise than Apple MacBooks.

But now, HERE COMES A SURPRISE FOR ALL OF YOU JOBS HATERS - think about it - HOW MUCH _MONEY_ does Apple grab? No, I'm not talking about units sold - I'm talking about how much MONEY the consumers do pay Apple for their Mac notebooks? Hard question huh? Easy to rate me down, but really really hard to answer? Of course, since zealots are characterized by rating me down, not by thinking about those tough questions.

Now if there is rare non-zealot here who can say something reasonable in reply - you are welcome.

Let the rating me down fest begin! :P

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By darkpaw on 3/5/2008 6:02:18 PM , Rating: 4

Is our customers give us more money for something that does the same exact thing actually a selling point?

Maybe for the shareholders, but the customers are all getting screwed (most of them quite willingly).

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/08, Rating: -1

By Pirks on 3/5/2008 7:01:18 PM , Rating: -1

My post was in fact a suggestion, I suggested everyone to try to think not in units sold, but in DOLLARS paid.

Why?

Because when you start thinking this way, the picture of the infamous "tiny Apple marketshare" _drastically_ changes.

My post was a call to those people who dare to keep their eyes open. I was a victim of that narrow fanboyish typical-DT-forum-poster-like "Apple is nothing 'cause they sell just a few computers" attitude, but then one day I realized that maybe looking at the units sold WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF THEIR PRICE is stupid?

Did you notice that recent line from Microsoft: "yeah, we sell maybe just a few consoles compared to ubiquitous Wii, but based on our UNIT PRICE we GRAB 45% OF THE MARKET MONEY" - does it tell you something?

This is the kind of stuff that I wasn't thinking when I was mindless young teen-like PC enthusiast pouring money in a new hardware all the time like most of DT-reading hardware fanatics/"enthusiasts" do... but then I grew older, I started asking myself questions - you know, thing that very few people from DT readers do - for example why does Apple stock grow so fast, why their revenue is so large, they sell only a few computers you know - how can it be?

Now I know why, and I just post here to see if there are any other people who have their own mind and are not afraid to try and open their eyes.

Are there any? I noticed a few fanatics already downrating me, but this is normal for DT readers, I wonder if there are people who think out of the box like yours truly :)

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By xti on 3/6/2008 12:18:02 PM , Rating: 2

uhhh...dont you think market share is much more important? or did you only want to have a killer year as far as your margin goes...with no future in sight?

it takes money to make money, yes that is one of the first steps...everyone else is way ahead in the process.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/2008 12:46:28 PM , Rating: 1

Market share for what kind of cars is better? Is it better for your company if you control 60% of the market of the premium $100,000+ cars (3% of the total car market, including ALL cars) or if you control 90% of the market for the cheapo $10,000+ cars? (80% of the total car market)?

Will you rather sell one Bugatti or a hundred of Russian Ladas?

Tough questions about market share, eh? Use your brain, try to stop being a PC fanboy for a sec - see anything interesting now? ;)

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By maven81 on 3/6/2008 1:02:46 PM , Rating: 2

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Will you rather sell one Bugatti or a hundred of Russian Ladas?

That comparison is retarded. After apple switched over to intel processors the only thing really separating them from PCs now is the operating system.
Hence for example why I own a mac pro, as that was actually the cheapest way to get an 8 core xeon workstation.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: 0

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By maven81 on 3/6/2008 2:00:24 PM , Rating: 2

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You don't understand and likely never will. Ok, one more try. How about comparing $400 Dell Vostro 1000 notebook with $2800 MacBook Pro 17" notebook? See anything interesting here? Reminds maybe of Bugatti and Lada? If not, then you will never understand.

I don't think you realize that you're talking about apples and oranges. (pardon the pun). If that Vostro was the only computer that Dell made that would be one thing, but Dell also makes 17" inch high end notebooks as well. And apple makes cheaper macbooks.

Car comparisons in general are silly because you forget that lots of cars are built for a specific purpose. You would not take that Bugatti on a dirt road in the middle of the Russian country side. You probably wouldn't even get very far before that high performance car broke down on some pothole. Similarly you'd never take a Lada to a race track. It wasn't ever meant to be able to do that.
If anything Macs and PC would have to be some sort of GM cars, using the same engine, but housed in a different "brand" body. Both with the same or nearly the same horsepower, torque and everything.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: -1

By Pirks on 3/6/2008 3:31:50 PM , Rating: -1

My point was that "tiny" marketshare of Apple become very far from "tiny" if you stop following the PC loving sheep and start looking into the details. And details tell us that Apple holds a major segment of high-end PCs, except the gaming ones (after MS went with consoles these are dying breed anyway).

So when people tell ya - hey how much of those puny Macs were sold - you can either join the other mindless Wintel PC sheep and start laughing with them... or you can try to llok into the details and ask yourself what are these Macs are and what their price is? Hey, Apple, as it turns out, sells high-end machines, one of the most expensive ones. Now, how much money does it bring in? How does it affect Apple stock price?

Stupid PC sheep laugh, and smart people think. No, not differently :) Just think.

All I'm saying is that you can't relly compare a lot of cheapo goods with fewer units of the more expensive and quality goods. You probably don't understand that Apple DOES _NOT_ sell any cheapo $300 desktops and cheapo $400 notebooks, but Dell and other PC clonemakers sell a LOT of those.

So yeah, okay, Dell sold gazillion cheapo PCs, all those $300-$400 inspirons and vostros, and Apple sold just a few of their MacBook Pros for, say, $2000-$3000 each.

So what? Right, Ferraris and BMWs are sold in much lower quantities compared to Ladas or Chevys or any other cheap car. Cheap PCs are sold in much bigger quantities than much more powerful and expensive Macs. Well, is there anything new here? I mean, what revelations are you trying to find? I though this is standard marketing crap everyone knows about, and now I see some PC lovers not aware of that... weird

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By xti on 3/6/2008 3:53:14 PM , Rating: 2

you do realize that apple stock is huge because of that little thing called the ipod and iphone right?

you make it sound like they didnt have a low-end line, but you forgot the iMac from back in teh days and the lamp looking version. They dont dominate the low end market at all...which is where the market has the most opportune buyers.

seems like you arent understanding the basic concepts either.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: -1

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By deeznuts on 3/5/2008 6:15:31 PM , Rating: 4

quote:

quote:
But now, HERE COMES A SURPRISE FOR ALL OF YOU JOBS HATERS - think about it - HOW MUCH _MONEY_ does Apple grab?

Now THAT is an example of how to make your customers take it in the arse and like it, be proud of it and show it off.

Sort of like 360 owners who say RROD isn't even an inconvenience because of the warranty.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/2008 7:40:46 PM , Rating: 1

How is it different from taking it in the arse from nVidia who always sells you another $600 video card while big-budget high-quality games are mostly done for the consoles these days, or from Intel who's glad to sell you another stupid OvErC1OCkEd Ch1p for a grand or so? You DT hardware fanatics take it in the arse every day, when Intel, nVidia, OCZ, Mushkin and many others sell you their "enthusiast" branded stuff. You pay thousands of dollars for what? For EXACTLY the same thing that Mac fanatics gladly pay for - for the bragging rights.

How different you are from the Mac fans paying thousand of dollars to Steve Jobs and his fruity church? Think about it.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By BladeVenom on 3/5/2008 9:14:55 PM , Rating: 2

I have never spent $600 for a video card in my life. Nvidia's 9600GT is only $169.99.

PC gaming still gets plenty of exclusives. There are 144 PC exclusives scheduled for 2008. http://www.systemwars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/08, Rating: -1

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By BladeVenom on 3/5/2008 11:09:21 PM , Rating: 2

You're just being a troll. I didn't say $600 video cards didn't exist, just that I have never bought one. Nor do I see a need for one. A new $170 video card gives good enough performance for me.

So what that Spore is only a timed exclusive. It will be better on the PC anyway. Ok, 143 exclusives then. Happy now?

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: 0

By Pirks on 3/6/2008 12:13:58 PM , Rating: 0

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I didn't say $600 video cards didn't exist, just that I have never bought one

And you never bought a Mac either, so what's your point? Some people may get screwed buying a Mac while other people get screwed buying $600 nVidia GPU. You are neither of them, so why you post here?

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Happy now?

Come on man, how many are left there from your so called 143 if you look closer? Ever tried to click on the link for Avernum 5 there? How many are as ugly looking as Avernum 5 and/or have broken links that lead nowhere? Food for thought, huh? Suddenly your 143 "exclusives" start looking a little bit different, huh? Well, such great games as The Darkness and Uncharted and Gears of War 2 and Halo 3 etc - they will remain console only or maybe they will be ported in some ugly way like they ported Halo 2. How all those low-budget butt-ugly PC games like broken-link-"game"-named-Avernum-5 can compensate? I'm talking about quality, you're trying to reply with quantity. Ain't gonna work :)

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By xti on 3/6/2008 12:21:33 PM , Rating: 2

did a PC sleep with your mom or something? you sound mad over nothing...

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: 0

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By powergrip on 3/6/2008 4:14:17 PM , Rating: 2

I think the 10 million people that play World of Warcraft would disagree.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: 0

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By deeznuts on 3/6/2008 12:06:11 AM , Rating: 2

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How different you are from the Mac fans paying thousand of dollars to Steve Jobs and his fruity church? Think about it.

Where did I type that I pay $600 for a video card, or bought a $1,000 intel chip? I'm smart with my money. Even though I spend a lot of moolah on electronics, I do it with an eye for value and a hot deal (slickdeals and fatwallet).

And if I did, I'd have to be here saying "Look at Me I'm Sandra Dee, Lousy with a 88-G-T" before I'm you. Like I said, it's not about taking it up the arse, we all get hosed for our hobbies sometimes, and that's fine. It's taking it up the arse and telling the whole world how privileged you are.

And that's what you did earlier and what you just did now.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By deeznuts on 3/6/2008 12:10:52 AM , Rating: 2

I don't have a problem with Mac/Apple btw., my GF uses their products, and I don't mind purchasing myself if I find one fit for my needs (was close to buying a macbook, gf gets 25% off).

I just won't sit there and proclaim how great it is that we pay more for their products. That's just thinking backwards. It's like getting pimp slapped and loving the person doing it, and you know what we call those who do that ... ;)

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/2008 12:21:58 PM , Rating: 2

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And that's what you did earlier and what you just did now

No, I didn't. I just told you all that there are many pictures of the market share, and things start looking drastically different if you try to think out of the box. I don't have Mac 'cause I am a PC gamer but this does not preclude me from seeing all sides of the market, unlike a lot of PC fanboys here on DT forum.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By maven81 on 3/6/2008 12:35:16 PM , Rating: 2

Give it up already, market share has nothing to do with profit. A company could have massive profits and miniscule market share.
This is like saying that silicon graphics (anyone remember them?) was a serious threat to NT workstations, because their computers cost 25k, while the NT box was more like 5.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/2008 1:07:12 PM , Rating: 2

SGI market share was declininig until it became zero, and MS NT raised to almost 100%.

Compare it with Macs. Mac OS market share is steadily increasing, while Windows market share is steadily declininig.

See any difference bewteen these cases?

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By maven81 on 3/6/2008 2:17:26 PM , Rating: 2

Now you're changing the argument. If selling higher priced high end machines was a boost to market share SGI would have never tanked. At one point they were even the "industry standard".
Even apple has realized this, and have diversified into other fields... consumer electronics with the ipod and iphone, music distribution with itunes, etc.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: -1

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By TomZ on 3/5/2008 7:58:35 PM , Rating: 3

quote:
No, I'm not talking about units sold - I'm talking about how much MONEY the consumers do pay Apple for their Mac notebooks?

I'm sure the average selling price (ASP) of Apple stuff is higher than most other brands, and so if you look at Apple's notebook revenue, it would tend to inflate their marketshare numbers.

At the end of the day, it's just another way to measure the same thing, so big deal. And it surely isn't going to change the overall ranking much - Apple is still really far from being in the Top 3, which is of course the subject of this article.

If you like Apple stuff, go ahead and buy it. There's no need to try to convince everybody else of the same. I personally dislike Apple because I think Jobs, and their marketing, is very arrogant, and I wouldn't want to be associated with that in any way. But that's just me.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/2008 8:47:16 PM , Rating: 2

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Apple is still really far from being in the Top 3

Exactly. This was my point - Apple share is indeed tiny if you look into it the standard way, but when you start digging deeper, you can discover some pretty interesting facts. Ever tried to compare amount of premium (above $1000) Apple PCs sold in US retail vs all the other manufacturers? Ever heard of the profit-per-square-inch metric they use in retail? Got any idea how Apple retails stores fare against others with this metric? Man, there's the whole new PLANET of interesting information when you start to exclude non-US markets and business/enterprise markets in the US, and start looking deeper into numbers of who sells what and why and where and for what price.

It's just the ability to discover these facts, and it could shed some pretty intriguing light on the whole "Apple share" topic. Like I said only the people who think out of the box can do this. I don't have a Mac at home 'cause I'm a PC gamer, but I learned to think out of the box 'cause I have a lot of Mac-owning buddies in the US and I use PowerMac at work 50% of the time (XP takes the other half). Hence my weird non-DT-like posts here, folks :)

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By inighthawki on 3/5/2008 10:32:20 PM , Rating: 2

"Premium" is a very subjective term, seeing as i can get a PC of the same caliber much cheaper than an apple. The only reason apple would rank high in "dollars paid" is because their junk is overpriced.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/2008 1:40:16 PM , Rating: 1

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"Premium" is a very subjective term, seeing as i can get a PC of the same caliber much cheaper than an apple.

Raw hardware power just by itself doesn't matter anymore. Welcome to the 21st century, Mr. PC Fanboy.

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The only reason apple would rank high in "dollars paid" is because their junk is overpriced.

Tell that to a PC guy maven81 above who just posted here: "I own a mac pro, as that was actually the cheapest way to get an 8 core xeon workstation" What a stupid maven81, he got overpriced junk named "Mac Pro" and he doesn't know it! What a fun, watching how one PC fanboy handles the other :))) At least maven81 seems to know the prices, and YOU don't know even that. So why bother posting here when you don't know such elementary things? Maybe you should get a little bit of education, maybe read about hardware prices and compare Dell Precisions with 8-core Mac Pros? Just a suggestion.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By powergrip on 3/6/2008 4:17:58 PM , Rating: 2

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Raw hardware power just by itself doesn't matter anymore. Welcome to the 21st century, Mr. PC Fanboy.

So what are you saying, apple users pay 200% more because of the OS? In that case I'd save the cash and go with Linux.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: 0

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By SoCalBoomer on 3/5/2008 8:02:41 PM , Rating: 2

The fact that they have a high markup means nothing in market share and mind share.

All it means is that there is a small percentage of people (what the market share measures) who are willing to pay extra for the bling and prestige.

As far as Microsoft's quote, that was directed at profitability - their implication was that the Wii loses more money per unit than does the XBox360, if it still does.

So, who cares how much money that Jobs is able to bleed from his faithful followers? Hubbard is very able to bleed millions from his followers, that doesn't mean he has market share! :D

(sorry for the comparison!. . .)

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/2008 8:20:26 PM , Rating: 2

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there is a small percentage of people who are willing to pay extra for the bling and prestige

If you look at http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=... you'll see that the market share of the web using Macs approximately doubled since they switched to Intel, and their market share continues to grow slowly. This tells a story that's quite different from your standard fanboyish "Macs are pure bling and prestige" mantra.

If it were only for bling and prestige - then Mac market share on the Net would stay more or less constant over time, but the Mac sales grow quarter to quarter, and Windows share slowly declines. Hard to swallow, huh? I told you guys - think out of the box, that'll help.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By eye smite on 3/5/2008 9:04:05 PM , Rating: 5

Dude, you got a bug up your butt or what? Mac is a niche group for elitists that have more money than sense. That's the way it's always been. Their market share increased yeah........ok, that's because Vista has jaded so many folks that Mac has a few more customers than before. You want to watch market share slide away, watch the Eee Pc and the likes with linux gain traction in the market because of price. I've entertained the idea of buying a Mac before, but then the price always has me thinking " there's no way I can justify spending that much for something with no real advantages over what I have", and that's what stops me. Them going to intel cpu's probably did help some, but not as much as Vista being a dog did. You have perception issues.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/08, Rating: -1

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By maven81 on 3/6/2008 11:16:58 AM , Rating: 2

You mean negative reviews from the apple faithful don't you ;) Because even with the made up controversy Vista will still outsell Leopard by a ridiculous margin.
Frankly I find this kind of attitude from apple supporters amusing. First of all even going from say 6% to 12% marketshare would still not change the fact that they are a niche player.
Second they conveniently forget that there's a whole world out there... ever seen a single mac in say India? I sure haven't!
Third, and probably most telling... if windows was even half as bad as they say it is, the world would stop... literally. When I saw people updating the metrocard and atm machines here in NYC I noticed both were running NT 4.0. Banks? Run on windows, as do hospitals, airport ticket counters, even retail chains. We're talking mission critical stuff here. Pardon me if I laugh about windows being unusable for anything as Jobs seems to suggest.
Fact is for most people it works fine, and no amount of "give up on Vista" ads will change that.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: -1

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By maven81 on 3/6/2008 2:34:22 PM , Rating: 3

Actually PC magazine has been rather pro apple for at least while now. If memory serves they even gave macs the highest ratings in their comparisons. I don't see a problem with this as a mac IS a PC, but don't expect all of their reviews to be fair.

That's a nice niche, consisting of expensive stuff - they will make more money per unit sold than Dell or other Microsoft lackeys anyway, even if they sell less units.

None of which actually matters when it comes to market share! They could become more rich then Dell, but Windows would still have more then 85% of the market, and most software would still be written for windows, and people all over the world would keep on using PCs.

World didn't stop and never will, instead of stopping it just keeps paying Microsoft Tax and losing who knows how many hours of productivity because of Windows and its idiosyncratic "patch-this-patch-that-sell-it-cause-its-good-enoug h" design.

Oh come on... whom are you kidding? Apple also releases tons of patches... I've had to update Leopard twice now since I got it in november, with multi hundred meg point releases, and numerous stability and security updates. I've also done a bit of mac support a few years back, and they most definitely did crash, suffer from poor quality control (power supplies, cooling, drive failures, bad ram, etc). Not surprising considering they use the same parts as PCs...
OSX also had kernel panics, showing a pretty ominous looking screen asking you to restart immediately, and I've most definitely seen at least 2 or 3 machines jump straight to the unix shell! Granted this was in the panther days, but you get the point.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: 0

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By eye smite on 3/11/2008 3:55:05 PM , Rating: 4

I don't think I said anywhere in my post that MS sells a crappy OS or that apple sells a decent one. Refer to the last sentence of my post pertaining to your perception issues. I also stated mac is a niche group for elitists and people with more money than sense. You said I understand that mac's not all about bling and prestige. Again see the last sentence of my original post about your perception issues.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/13/08, Rating: 0

RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By wiiz3rd on 3/5/2008 9:48:01 PM , Rating: 2

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think about it - HOW MUCH _MONEY_ does Apple grab?

The high cost is exactly why many people won't buy Apple products.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/5/2008 9:54:51 PM , Rating: 2

Tell that to a guy who bought more expensive Xbox 360 or PS3 over cheap Wii. Tell him he bought the high priced product that MOST PEOPLE don't buy because of a high price (most people buy Wii or DS, since it's cheap).

Listen to his answer and you'll understand everything.

Good luck.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Stonedcao on 3/6/2008 9:17:40 AM , Rating: 2

The problem with your logic there is that the 360 and the PS3 both merit a higher price tag in comparison with the Wii. The more expensive consoles are much more feature rich, and therefore justified in their higher price tags.

Now, when it comes to Macs vs. PCs, the cost isn't justified anywhere at all. They both do the exact same thing - only that PCs are inherently more flexible than Macs due to the hardware for Macs being locked down. Macs are just glorified typewriters - nice, but too expensive for what they offer.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/2008 12:34:06 PM , Rating: 2

That's because you never look past the pure hardware specs. For you a computer with a faster CPU is ALWAYS better than computer with slower CPU. Like I said, for the strictly tech-oriented DT readers this sort of thinking (that not ONLY the pure hardware power/speed matters in a computer) is sort of blasphemous.

Well, I learned to think out of this pure hardware oriented box after I tried out all sorts of OSes and software, both at work and at home.

Hence my posts. You will never understand me because you can't think the way I think. I too was purely power/speed oriented self-assembly PC guy in the past, but you know, people grow and get older and wiser with time, they realize that pure hardware specs are actually secondary for a home PC, etc etc - you may realize this in future as you grow older.

And by the way if you compare PC and Mac side by side and consider such things as size and weight as well - you'll be surprised to find that Macs are actually cheaper. Just compare some 8-core Mac Pros with Dell Precisions, or iMac 24" or even 20" with Dell monoblock PC and so on.

This urban legend of Macs being always more expensive is soo old and boring [yawn] I was believeing in it as well in the past... until I cared enough to compare PC and Mac with VERY SIMILAR hardware specs, as similar as I could get... boy was I surprised!

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By xti on 3/6/2008 3:18:54 PM , Rating: 2

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This urban legend of Macs being always more expensive is soo old and boring [yawn] I was believeing in it as well in the past...

The urban legend that macs are taking over is even older and more boring. i think the inside the box thinking is fine when its accurate.

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RE: So much for Apple's taking over

By Pirks on 3/6/08, Rating: 0

iSuppli

By Master Kenobi

(blog) on 3/5/08, Rating: 0

RE: iSuppli

By Brandon Hill

(blog) on 3/5/2008 3:54:35 PM , Rating: 2

Shane's article is talking about notebook PC shipments.

The article is talking about overall PC sales... AFAICT

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RE: iSuppli

By Brandon Hill

(blog) on 3/5/2008 3:55:14 PM , Rating: 2

I meant to say, the article you site is talking about overall PC sales.

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RE: iSuppli

By Master Kenobi

(blog) on 3/5/2008 3:57:13 PM , Rating: 2

It seems that my public school reading comprehension has failed me yet again.

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RE: iSuppli

By Brandon Hill

(blog) on 3/5/2008 3:59:10 PM , Rating: 2

Well, my public school education allowed me to type "site" instead of "cite" in the reply above yours ;)

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RE: iSuppli

By Master Kenobi

(blog) on 3/5/2008 4:02:05 PM , Rating: 4

Epic Fail for us both.

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RE: iSuppli

By Sylar on 3/5/2008 4:09:42 PM , Rating: 4

3 if you include Dell.

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RE: iSuppli

By nugundam93 on 3/5/2008 4:28:44 PM , Rating: 2

LOL!

acers look better than most dell laptops. even when dell tried introducing different-colored laptops, it won't cut it if they are all just recolors of a boring design. :)

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RE: iSuppli

By deeznuts on 3/5/2008 6:11:40 PM , Rating: 2

"Leeeeeeeeeet's get ready to rumblllllleeee!"

Aww too bad the DT staff made up, it was just getting good!

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RE: iSuppli

By mondo1234 on 3/5/2008 10:45:15 PM , Rating: 2

So.. 40% shipped with Vista?
268 million units shipped in 2007, and MS sold 100 million Vista licenses. To me, this indicates that XP is stronger on the new sales than would appear....

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RE: iSuppli

By darkpaw on 3/6/2008 10:01:49 AM , Rating: 2

I'm really not too surprised. Businesses still buy half of all laptops sold and the vast majority are still buying with XP.

Nearly all retail/consumer systems are sold with Vista now in the US, but for the international and corporate markets XP will be the norm for a while.

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I see this is normal

By sgtdisturbed47 on 3/5/2008 3:52:13 PM , Rating: 2

I've been using Acer laptops for a little while, and I have to say I love them. The numbers don't surprise me, seeing how terrible Dell laptops are.

RE: I see this is normal

By Mitch101 on 3/5/2008 4:30:07 PM , Rating: 2

Acer really is the comeback kid here in the states.

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RE: I see this is normal

By TomZ on 3/5/2008 4:32:23 PM , Rating: 3

If you read the article, the reason Acer surpassed Dell is because of their acquisitions. According to the chart, both Acer and Dell were up 32% year-over-year, so the Acer's rank gain is not because Acer laptops are great or Dell laptops are bad.

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RE: I see this is normal

By SoCalBoomer on 3/5/2008 8:03:46 PM , Rating: 2

I was hoping someone would notice this.

It wasn't because Acer grew, it was because Acer gobbled.

Much different.

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RE: I see this is normal

By blppt on 3/5/2008 10:00:43 PM , Rating: 2

I agree. I've had a cheapo $399 (Beast Buy sale) Acer Aspire 3680 for a few months now, and its been solid. Well, I did erase vista32 (pointless IMHO) and installed XP. No complaints, especially for the price.

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Help

By christojojo on 3/5/2008 4:24:14 PM , Rating: 2

I don't have the time today to do the research.

Could somebody point out what last year's laptop sales of Gateway/e-Machines was and Pre-merger Acer's?

RE: Help

By deeznuts on 3/5/2008 6:20:12 PM , Rating: 2

Sure. Just wait right here, I'll be back ...

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RE: Help

By christojojo on 3/5/2008 10:08:22 PM , Rating: 2

Thanks deez

I'm having one of those busy days so I knew that you'd be the first to come to my aid. If you needed help reading my OP, I do teach Basic Ed and GED at the local prisons. I could make time for you, just tell me which one you're spending time at. ;)

I wanted to know how much of Acer's jump was really "progress" and how much was the takeover.

So far this is what I have been able to find

http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=7...

and a few other sites that pretty much mimic the same data. I'm reading between the lines, but it looks like Acer's take over is more Acer success and Dell decline versus Gateway boost.

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The Important Question

By borowki on 3/5/2008 5:09:24 PM , Rating: 1

Acer surpassing Dell in the number of laptops sold in Q4 is a moment of truth for our nation. Each of us must ask him or herself, do we really want someone who has no experience designing or assembling notebook computers as the president of the United States? Hope does not sell laptops. Inspiring speeches do not sell laptops. Our nation needs a leader with experience and a proven track record. The choice is clear: Hillary Clinton.

RE: The Important Question

By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/5/2008 6:55:40 PM , Rating: 1

Pick anybody just not the dictator want to be... sorry,I mean Obama.
If you really want a good scare: Read and watch some of Adolf Hitlers speeches (Read translated for understanding, watch the video for the way the people react to his speeches.) Someone might think Obama is copying Hitlers speeches (just enough change to fit the location of the USA verse Germany). It's very scare.... Anyone that's going to mark me down for this comment I really suggest you do what I suggest before you mark me down because it you that is buying his story and drinking his Kool Aid because he tells you to.
P.S. I live in Illinois, I know what he's about, and it's not about the good of the people of this country nor the good of this country...it's all about what is good for Obama. In his 3 years he's been in office he has had two books written about himself, ran for President, and voted to raise taxed 300 times. That does not leave much time to try and do anything good for Illinois nor the people of Illinois.

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RE: The Important Question

By AgentPromo on 3/5/2008 9:34:58 PM , Rating: 2

Hitler WAS promising hope to a country that was having major problems post WWI and never really recovered. The county wanted a scapegoat (enter the jews and the rest of Europe) and it was like herding sheep.

The key difference, and really all that matters, is that none of the current candidates advocate making their objectives through genicide and mass invasion (this time anyways) and at least this time around the war rhetoric seems more toned down. At least they are not open about it anyways if it is their plan.

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RE: The Important Question

By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/6/2008 9:44:59 AM , Rating: 2

Yes, I'll agree with most of what you are saying, but remember Obama is selling "change" as hope for the future and he's blaming others for the current problems (not ourselfs as a nation for our own actions). Who would be the scapegoat, well I can only guess, however time will tell if he wins.

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Dell...

By daftrok on 3/5/2008 4:09:26 PM , Rating: 2

I really think that Dell's only good piece of hardware are their monitors (and their warranty). Frankly their PCs/notebooks are overpriced when compared to Acer and HP and comparing how this looks:
http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/07/24/dell_insp_1720_1....

to how this looks:
http://laptoplogic.com/data/news/images/2403/hp-pa...

Shows that the bargain priced Dell notebooks aren't lookers neither.

RE: Dell...

By Mitch101 on 3/5/2008 4:32:04 PM , Rating: 2

Maybe Dell going after all the knock off sites pushing Dell sales was a bad idea?

Maybe we will see the stackable coupon codes return?

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Interesting....

By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/5/2008 4:37:12 PM , Rating: 2

Yes, we all can see who the top guys are currently...but look at the percentage change. Asus has the largest increase. That increase is all from the Asus Eee PC which only sold in the last two months of last year. It will be interesting to see next years results.

Error in chart

By Kornfeld on 3/6/2008 1:29:23 AM , Rating: 2

There are some serious problems with that chart. Acer's year to year increase was 69%, not 32%, assuming the quarterly sales info was correct. The year to year gain is also completely off. How reliable are these numbers?

Wow, on another note

By MADAOO7 on 3/6/2008 2:59:14 AM , Rating: 2

On another note..... Grammatically, the title of this article is incorrect. You can't slip forward, you can slip backwards or down, but not up. Just another one of English's small idiosyncrasies.

Big Winner is Actually Asus

By bpurkapi on 3/6/2008 3:12:54 AM , Rating: 2

Looking at the numbers on the chart posted Asus had a 50% increase in shipments. They were the largest gain in shipments from quarter to quarter. Acer and HP both produce a ton of bland laptops which offer decent bang for your buck. Asus and Apple as well as Toshiba to an extent offer interesting products that differentiate themselves in the market: Apples' Powerbook and Air. Asus with the EEE. Toshiba with the lifebook. Lenovo is great in the biz sector as well.