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AT&T Wireless says P2P use is specifically banned in a users contract

The RIAA isn’t alone in looking at peer-to-peer (P2P) traffic as the scourge of the internet. Many of the largest ISPs in the U.S. are also looking to ways to curtail P2P traffic on their networks. The first things cited by ISPs when they start to look for places to cut traffic or charge more for service is P2P traffic.

AT&T has publically stated that it will ban wireless phone subscribers from using P2P programs and that any subscriber caught using P2P services will be terminated. AT&T made the statement last week in response to a question posed by FCC Republican Robert McDowell.

McDowell asked AT&T about its policy on P2P traffic over its wireless network at an FCC forum in July. Robert Quinn, AT&T senior vice president for regulatory affairs said in the letter to the FCC, "AT&T's terms of service for mobile wireless broadband customers prohibit all uses that may cause extreme network capacity issues, and explicitly identify P2P file sharing applications as such a use."

Quinn did sate in the letter that AT&T does not use network management tools to block the use of P2P applications by its users. Quinn says that AT&T warns its customers in writing that they could be terminated from AT&T Wireless if caught using P2P applications. AT&T uses the same song and dance used by ISPs like Comcast to justify its policy -- a small number of P2P users can degrade network performance for other AT&T network users.

Comcast was one of the first ISPs to make headlines over P2P traffic. Comcast was caught cutting back the connection speed of those using P2P services on its network. Comcast says that it only limited the speed at which P2P users could upload data at peak traffic times. Comcast has squared off against the FCC with claims that the FCC has no authority to tell it how to manage its network. The FCC is expected to vote that Comcast degraded performance for some P2P Internet traffic soon.

Martin has said that the FCC will not seek to impose financial penalties on Comcast over its network management policies.



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Who would?
By dragonbif on 7/30/2008 5:35:53 PM , Rating: 2
Who uses P2P on their moble phone? It would be faster to download it to your computer then move it over. I guess they are also talking about their air cards for laptops too but still I dont think they made their system with P2P in mind lol.




RE: Who would?
By sapiens74 on 7/30/2008 5:40:46 PM , Rating: 3
Includes Broadband cards as well


RE: Who would?
By exanimas on 7/30/2008 6:49:08 PM , Rating: 3
With most companies limiting their mobile aircards to 5GB per month, you can't really do an insane amount of P2P unless you want to pay a TON of money for it.


RE: Who would?
By jonmcc33 on 8/1/2008 7:24:48 AM , Rating: 2
And that would be pointless, right? I can only imagine someone downloading a 4GB+ Blu-Ray rip over 3G. Just too funny!


RE: Who would?
By marvdmartian on 7/31/2008 11:06:36 AM , Rating: 4
First off, this seems like a really easy way to terminate your contract, if you decide that AT&T sucks, but you don't want to get hit with thier horrendous early termination fee. "Oh gosh, look, I'm using P2P.....guess you'll have to get rid of me!" Since it's AT&T cancelling, they shouldn't be able to hit you with that fee, right?

Second off, the picture used for the article is (of course) perfect. I just imagine Ah-nold with an AT&T ballcap on, kicking down someone's door, and spouting off, "Sarah Connor, you are using P2P on your AT&T wireless! I'm here to terminate you!!", then blowing them away with an Uzi!! ;)


RE: Who would?
By eldakka on 8/3/2008 5:32:06 AM , Rating: 2
Actualy you'd probably find that the terms of service have conditions to the effect "anything you do that breach our terms and causes us to terminate your service will require you to payout the contract as per rules governing if you terminate your service with us during the contract period".


RE: Who would?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/30/2008 5:51:14 PM , Rating: 4
P2P over a cellular connection? I'd rather stick a hot poker in my eye. Real P2P fanatics are using Cable, or FIOS.


RE: Who would?
By MarkinScottsdale on 7/30/2008 7:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I'm hard pressed to imagine a user out so far that their wireless is their only communication link of any sort, and some novice, not fully aware that they're on a 3G network with somewhat limited capacity begins to usurp the capacity by running a P2P app. I suppose such a scenario could exist, but it's got to be damned rare. It would seem that if a user were "caught" using a P2P application that the first thing AT&T should do is find out WHY they are doing this and offer other alternatives if possible. This draconian BS of "TERMINATING THEIR SERVICE" for an infraction of rules that the customer may not even understand he's violated, or even be aware of existing is ABSURD! Teach people why this is not a good thing and why it is not allowed. Teach them how it eats so much of the available bandwidth that other uses may have no data communications as a result of this software being installed and connected to your mobile.

Currently I'm living out in the desert with no broadband service worth a damn. My choices are dial up, or a local WISP with latency issues that are unreal. I'm PRAYING that ComcasT or QWEST throws their fiber based internet access here and soon! But I'm smart enough not to put a P2P application on the computers with a wireless 3g card installed in them!


RE: Who would?
By dominae1 on 7/30/2008 11:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm hard pressed to imagine a user out so far that their wireless is their only communication link of any sort

Actually, this is far more common than you would even begin to realize, even in urban areas. People in rural areas often don't have access to DSL or cable internet b/c the cost-to-benefit ratio doesn't work out for the ISP's. So, that person's only means of having faster-than-dial-up access is via satellite ISP or tethering via mobile phone/laptop connect card. When you're chugging along at 28.8 kbps even an EDGE connection at 120 kbps would seem like a godsend. Even in larger cities people can find that the street they live on is just a little too far from the node, so they are SoL when it comes to getting wired broadband (like my neighbor, who wants DSL but is only 50 ft away from the next closest building that does have it!). So, people often turn to laptop connect cards b/c satellite is unreliable and terribly expensive (like $60 for 5GB isn't).


RE: Who would?
By sgtdisturbed47 on 7/30/2008 6:08:55 PM , Rating: 4
People who use P2P on their phone isn't really using their phone itself to download, but using the phone as a Modem via USB. This allows you to use the phone's network to connect to the internet. Some people can't or don't want to use Cable or DSL, or they can't afford it (there are many different reasons why). Using the phone as a Modem uses your unlimited data plan so it doesn't use minutes and you aren't charged per megabyte. Also, you can connect your phone to any computer and after a quick setup, you're online. It's cheap internet that you can have anywhere.

The main limitation with this is latency and bandwidth. 3G around here gets like 700k a sec (although it's usually only 250k a second), whereas non-3G is like 90k a sec. If you are non-3G it's pointless to bother, as it's just too friggin SLOW (I've tried it. 56k dial-up is faster). 3G on the other hand gives you some better speed, but the latency is still bad so the results differ.


RE: Who would?
By nvalhalla on 7/30/2008 6:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
My EVDO Rev A is 1.2-1.5Mbs sustained, burst of 2.0. If Sprint decides to follow suit I'm toast.


RE: Who would?
By StraightPipe on 7/30/2008 6:26:22 PM , Rating: 1
Actually there are quite a few BT clients for mobile phones.

I know a guy with a 16GB flash card who uses P2P on his phone. Yes, it is slow, but he is able to download movies + music directly to his phone with no cost, and it's significantly easier than iTunes or any subscription service.

the iPhone has several P2P apps available.
(how do you like them apples?)


RE: Who would?
By StevoLincolnite on 7/30/2008 6:26:24 PM , Rating: 2
I wish Telstra would Employ these Tactics on it's ADSL Service and remove the silly Download Limits, 25gb a Month Download Limit, which includes Data Upload is limiting, it doesn't last long even if all you do is Browse Youtube or do Gaming, and then your stuck at 64k speeds till the end of the contracted month.

Also, What happens to those who use there Mobile as an internet Connection and Download Updates for World of WarCraft, which uses a P2P service to download patches or something similar? Seems this "Rule" is rather Vague to me, in all honesty if the service cannot handle the load, then they need to increase the service capability, and place a Download Speed cap of something like 500kbps or something and then let people go spastic with it.


RE: Who would?
By StraightPipe on 7/30/2008 7:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
25GB/mo?

Yesterday my friend downloaded 75GB on his/her Comcast Cable internet 8MB connection (in 24 hours).

I guess that would have been your limit for the next 2.5 months...

People just dont realize how much easier p2p is than anything else.


RE: Who would?
By Viditor on 7/30/2008 7:31:27 PM , Rating: 3
He's talking about Telstra...one of the most expensive and limiting ISPs in Australia.


RE: Who would?
By StevoLincolnite on 7/30/2008 8:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
They are also the Largest, I would have gone with Optus, but "New" Customers cannot sign up for ADSL According to there website.

Netspace isn't what it used to be, when i was with them a few months back I had nothing but troubles, and the Customer Support had gotten really bad when they had the "Gamers" image.

I tried connecting to Dodo, But they might as well go the way of the Dodo, it took them 3 months to get in contact with me about my Application to Sign up for an ADSL Service, and by that time I had gone with TPG, which was also nothing but trouble, The ADSL connection was down more often than it was online.

Perhaps one day, ADSL 2+ will be available in my area and will be with a Telco other than Telstra Bigpond.


RE: Who would?
By xsilver on 7/30/2008 10:14:27 PM , Rating: 2
If you're remotely regional, the only chance you've got is if you lay your own cable. Either that or when telstra introduces adsl2, they are going to charge you through the nose for it.

The problem is that for australia 25gb/mo is already considered a "power" user so there isnt much more in terms of value in a higher plan.


RE: Who would?
By StevoLincolnite on 7/31/2008 12:12:32 AM , Rating: 2
I won't ever get cable here, I'm in a Regional 2 Area, Or in other words farther then 850km's from my Capital City's CBD.

The Other ISP's in Australia offer much better plans at cheaper prices, but they either:

1) Don't service my area.
2) Poor Customer Service.
3) Poor Performance.
4) Down Times.

Dodo used to have Completely Unlimited Plans, but they have also gone to a capped systems now as well.

When I first got to enjoy Xbox Live! For the first time, I hit my download limit in a week because of all the Gaming, Downloading Maps, Gamer Pictures, Themes, Game Video's and other Addons available for the games I owned, After that I was gaming with high levels of Laggotism in most games I owned.

If 25gb is considered a power user... Then God help us Australians. xD