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Phone is months from launch, but bragging match has already started

Windows Phone 7 may have its rough edges (no multitaskingno copy and paste), but it does appear to have a number of relatively enthusiastic hardware partners.  And now AT&T has revealed itself as a key ally with some big claims.

A spokeswoman for AT&T, the second largest mobile phone carrier in the U.S., told 
PC World, "We'll be the premier carrier for Windows Phone 7.  We haven't given guidance on timing."

Altimeter Group analyst Michael Gartenberg claimed in a Twitter post last week that AT&T has plans to buy 8 million Windows Phone 7 smartphones.  That's a fair number, but still very plausible considering that globally 55 million smart phones were sold in Q1 2010.

There's no telling yet what exactly AT&T means by being the "premier" carrier of the new Microsoft smart phones.  It could simply be alluding to the company's data network, which is generally regarded as superior to that of America's top carrier, Verizon.  Or it could even be suggesting something more exciting.

Regardless, Microsoft likely is more willing to work with AT&T after Verizon's involvement in the trainwreck that was Microsoft Kin.  While the failure of Kin rests mostly on Microsoft's shoulders, Verizon deserves a bit of blame as well -- it could have offered more competitive pricing and advertised it more effectively.

In the wake of Kin and questions about Windows Phone 7, AT&T seems like the only one enthusiastic about Microsoft's upcoming phone platform.  Sprint and Verizon reportedly refused comment on the platform and T-Mobile never responded to a request for comment.

For AT&T, regardless of how Windows Phone 7 is received Windows Phone 7 could play a key role to drawing in more customers.  AT&T has always prided itself for having a diverse portfolio of smartphones.  While its Android offerings have been a bit lacking, it has, of course, the infamous iPhone.  And its spokesperson recently bragged to us that the company has "more smartphones than any other U.S. carrier."

Thus Windows Phone 7 products, like the Dell Lightning, should form a critical fourth pillar to AT&T's efforts, which currently consist mostly of Apple, Blackberry, and Android smartphones.



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Hurray.
By Smilin on 7/28/10, Rating: 0
RE: Hurray.
By TheRequiem on 7/28/2010 10:19:07 AM , Rating: 3
Actually, what I was thinking is, "wow, what a good way for Microsoft to ruin brand recognition"...


RE: Hurray.
By FingerMeElmo on 7/28/2010 10:50:56 AM , Rating: 5
How about you feast on these 2 articles before opening your mouth again

http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars...

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/24/yankee-g...

Sure, AT&T still has SF as a problem market but as a whole, they're much better than the media wants to give them credit for. sure, they do things that kinda make you question there intelligence but for he most part, that are a solid provider. you also get a much better appreciation for those numbers when you realize they have the largest smarphone / connected data device user base


RE: Hurray.
By HighWing on 7/28/2010 11:45:47 AM , Rating: 2
Numbers and 3rd party tests aside, I know very few AT&T customers who are happy with AT&T's overall service. And THAT is why the media picks on them as much as they do as even the media people locked into iPhone plans consistently complain about the service.

All the tests in the world can say AT&T has the best service, but if the customers don't think so... than bottom line is they don't!


RE: Hurray.
By TheRequiem on 7/28/2010 12:07:22 PM , Rating: 1
Incorrect, according to JD Power Associates and overall CSAT (Customer Satisfaction Survey's) reports, AT&T has been on a continuous decline. Even Sprint has suprassed AT&T in Customer Satisfaction and T-Mobile is almost at pair with them now. I am on AT&T and I've seen service actually degrade in my area with several different phones.


RE: Hurray.
By omnicronx on 7/28/2010 1:11:52 PM , Rating: 2
How about you remain objective and realize what those articles are comparing?

Its irrelevent what these tests show if it is not a good indication of how their network is as a hole. When it comes down to it, I would rather have half the speed and have my network work in more places pretty much all the time, then to have spotty signal and good speeds where I actually get 3G.

When it comes down to it AT&T 3G roll out was basically from scratch, Verizons, Sprints etc was not. The CDMA 3G rollout was basically on the handset end, pretty much all existing 2G towers were easily converted to 3G. Same cannot be said for AT&T and its 3G which is based on WCDMA and is completely different than previous GSM technologies.

We continue to see the effects of this today, and its not going to change anytime soon, especially in rural areas which don't seem to be of any focus to AT&T.

If you live in an area with constant good AT&T reception, than these articles will surely benefit your decision making process, if you don't you might as well discount them completely.


By corduroygt on 7/28/2010 10:52:43 AM , Rating: 2
No multitasking, no copy&paste, and now AT&T?




By Spivonious on 7/28/2010 11:55:01 AM , Rating: 2
Notice that AT&T is the "premier" carrier, not the exclusive carrier. I imagine we'll see phones running WinPhone 7 on all of the carriers.

Remember, WinPhone 7 is not a phone, it's just an OS.


By TomZ on 7/28/2010 1:48:19 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, "premier" in this case might mean "first," but I'm sure Verizon will be picking up some WinPhone 7 phones.

I pick my network FIRST, then the phone SECOND, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.


By omnicronx on 7/28/2010 2:18:39 PM , Rating: 2
My guess is that it will mean they will carry more phones than other carriers. Android has hardly been a success for AT&T compared to the other carriers.


By corduroygt on 7/28/2010 3:58:59 PM , Rating: 2
It may also mean they may be carrying the highest spec phones exclusively, which would be a mistake for win7.


Is there any room for Microsoft?
By BigToque on 7/28/10, Rating: 0
RE: Is there any room for Microsoft?
By Smilin on 7/29/2010 12:11:07 PM , Rating: 2
GTFO of here Troll. You haven't even seen the interface.

I bet you don't even own a Zune (Metro Jr.)


By BigToque on 8/2/2010 11:07:20 AM , Rating: 2
There are videos of the interface all over the net you douchebag. The UI sucks.


So...
By sweetsauce on 7/28/2010 12:38:30 PM , Rating: 2
When these win7 phones come out on the AT&T network, and no one has the vast dropped calls that they seem to get on Iphones, will the media finally start blaming Apple and not AT&T's network? I doubt it.




RE: So...
By nct on 7/28/2010 1:19:58 PM , Rating: 2
No, because no one will ever hear about it since, "Phone works as advertised," isn't a very compelling headline.

Only Apple feels the need to broadcast the message that their products "Just work," and only Apple users get excited by that claim.


What Data Network?
By SSDMaster on 7/28/2010 2:02:56 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
It could simply be alluding to the company's data network, which is generally regarded as superior to that of America's top carrier, Verizon.


Did you forget to add a </sarcasm> tag there Jason?




This is good news!!!
By SunAngel on 7/28/2010 11:36:29 AM , Rating: 2
For once, I can stay with AT&T at the end of my contract and give WM7 phone a try...at least for the 29 day return period. If I don't like it I can hop right back on the iPhone express train without missing a beat.




By QuarkParticle on 7/28/2010 2:20:46 PM , Rating: 1
If the App's system is closed like Apple's is....they'll loose big!
If Microsoft truely opens up the App system (which is unlikely), Windows Phone will prevail.

But first....Ballmer must be fired.




I wouldn't blame Verizon at all
By room200 on 7/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: I wouldn't blame Verizon at all
By dwalton on 7/28/2010 11:30:21 AM , Rating: 2
MS never intended the KIN to compete directly with the Droid. It was targeted toward the teen crowd where it would be primarily used as a social tool. It was meant to be a cheap phone with a cheap contract. But that never happen and it failed rather miserably.


By Spivonious on 7/28/2010 11:52:45 AM , Rating: 2
They seemed like a dumbed-down teeny-bopper phone because they were.

Windows Phone 7 has absolutely nothing to do with the Kin.


Rough around the edges
By hughlle on 7/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: Rough around the edges
By FingerMeElmo on 7/28/2010 10:57:42 AM , Rating: 2
actually, although its not going to add multitasking right out of the box, except for the core apps and functions, the way it handles app switching is very simular to the current top dog in the market, the iPhone. sure iOS4 is suppose to enable "multitasking" but in reality, all it does is freeze most apps in place so that they dont have to reload when you backout of and reopen them. its called "freeze stating" and WP7 has it. only some apps in the iOS4 plateform really do anything in the background and thats really relegated to GPS and Music services like pandora. WP7 also has Pandora built in ;) . the whole MIA copy and paste thing IS pretty lame though


RE: Rough around the edges
By zmatt on 7/28/2010 11:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
iPhone multitasking is meh at best and a joke at the worst. Comparing it to that doesn't exactly instill confidence.


RE: Rough around the edges
By FingerMeElmo on 7/28/2010 11:32:47 AM , Rating: 2
you're right :( . freeze stating is better than nothing though lol


RE: Rough around the edges
By UsernameX on 7/28/2010 11:15:46 AM , Rating: 2
I was really excited to get a windows phone honestly. Future updates will eventually fix those 'missing features.' I'm a Sprint customer and while I was going to support the windows phone through it's hardships, it's because of the hardships that I'm not going to switch providers.


RE: Rough around the edges
By smegz on 7/28/2010 1:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
This is assuming that Microsoft will push out Windows Phone 7 updates at all. In the past, they have left it to the phone manufacturers which was hit or miss. Usually you had to go out on your own and find a better ROM yourself (I'm looking at you HTC.)


RE: Rough around the edges
By omnicronx on 7/28/2010 2:08:15 PM , Rating: 3
No assuming here, MS WILL be handling updates this time around.

Sounds like they have done what Android should be doing. Separating core system files from carrier based files. This way they can roll out certain updates independently of the carrier.

Here is a good image that explains the process.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010...


RE: Rough around the edges
By Alexvrb on 7/28/2010 4:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
That's part of what they were aiming for all along. It'd be awesome if we can bypass the carriers and phone manufacturers for at least core updates, since they're often very slow in adopting updates.


RE: Rough around the edges
By Mojo the Monkey on 7/29/2010 3:59:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'll believe it when I see it. Windows has a reputation of being a slow-to-adapt brand. If WP7 does, by some miracle, arrive with some killer app or feature, an android release enabling such a feature will be hot on its heels. I dont think one could safely assume the opposite is true for WP7 quickly adopting a new feature debuting on an android device, though.

My point is that I dont think I'll see a lot of killer innovation other than a flash-in-the-pan "neato looking" interface. Android developers are practically frothing at the mouth to add features to their OS that the average end-user can appreciate.

WP7 will be more of the same, some update 12 months in with a security fix and some additional network compliance feature for internal VPN access as a company phone.


RE: Rough around the edges
By Yawgm0th on 7/28/2010 12:46:56 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
the current top dog in the media, the iPhone.

Fixed that for you.


RE: Rough around the edges
By dwalton on 7/28/2010 11:39:44 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe for you, but for the general market they rarely register as an important or even considered features at all.

When we start talking smartphones selling millions upon millions of units, we are talking about mass adoption by the general public. Where the use of these phones can in no way be described as sophiscated. Today, the vast majority of smartphone are underutilized. Most will never use these current phones in a way that will make use of a lot of copy and paste or require the need for multitasking. These features don't represent a major drawback but at most a minor inconvenience.

To the general market, multitasking and copy and paste on a smartphone is about as important as a firewire and hdmi ports on a netbook.


RE: Rough around the edges
By subhajit on 7/28/2010 1:09:07 PM , Rating: 3
Palm webOS has the best multitasking implementation at the moment. Hope HP utilizes it well.


RE: Rough around the edges
By NellyFromMA on 7/28/2010 1:43:59 PM , Rating: 2
Evidentally, most people don't even seem to care if there phone functions very well at all i.e. the iPhone antenna gaffe. If that's not a big deal, it's hard to imagine what is..


RE: Rough around the edges
By QueBert on 7/30/2010 3:26:33 AM , Rating: 1
It might not be a big deal to most, because most aren't effected by this "problem" I now have 8 friends with iPhone 4's. I bring this "problem" up to them whenever I happen to see or talk to them. Not a single one has had a dropped call. Perhaps they should care because there is a problem, even thought they're not effected by it? I'm not saying people aren't having problems are, many are, but the overwhelming majority of iPhone 4 owners are not. I'm sure it's a big deal to those who are getting dropped calls, but to my 8 friends they could give a shit less.


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