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  (Source: The Huffington Post)
"Keep in line and don't get a fine" -- may be AT&T's new order of business in order to try to keep its network afloat

It's no secret that AT&T's network leaves something to be desired.  AT&T admits that geographic coverage is poor, but insists that 75 percent of customers have "access" to 3G coverage. 

However, in certain cities the situation is reportedly particularly dire, with an Apple store in New York City reporting 30 percent dropped call rates to be the norm.  As DailyTech's Shane McGlaun comments in a recent blog about AT&T's initiative to roll out an app to identify regions of poor coverage: "All I can say is that I hope AT&T has a server with lots of storage space because near as I can tell the service sucks everywhere."

Now AT&T may be resorting to a new plan to try to stretch its struggling 3G network -- fining iPhone users that use too much data.  Wait, isn't part of the iPhone data plan access to unlimited data transfer?  Yes, that is the case, but it turns out that AT&T is considering plans to make "unlimited" mean "don't use too much or we'll fine you".

The issue was plans were let slip by
AT&T executive Ralph de la Vega at the UBS conference in New York.  He complained that 3 percent of the iPhone users are using 40 percent of the bandwidth.  He complains that these bandwidth hogs are feasting on such forbidden fruit as streaming music and video and that his network just can't keep up.

He says that his company plans to force the users to "reduce or modify their usage." He describes, "We've got to get them to understand what represents a megabyte of data."

Wired.com's Epicenter blog suggests that AT&T instead stop selling iPhones in San Francisco and New York, or at least stop selling  the Major League Baseball app, which streams live baseball games to users’ phones.  As the blog points out, the app is quite popular and may be straining the sports-fan-packed networks of NYC and San Fransisco.  No need to fine, just cut the app, they suggest.

AT&T took issue to the negative tone of some of the pieces on the topic and pointed out that it will have spent close to $20B USD in 2009 to upgrade its network.  DailyTech recently had a chance to interview the company about its problems -- you can check that out here.

In other news, there's renewed hope that the iPhone could land on Verizon's U.S. network in 2010.  A Piper Jaffray analyst cited that he was 70 percent sure of a Verizon iPhone in 2010.




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Lol
By spathotan on 12/9/2009 11:21:23 PM , Rating: 3
Posting this from my MyTouch, on T-Mobile, with unlimited data for $30 a month, connected to 3G, while downloading 4 apps, while running Pandora, without any fines.




RE: Lol
By TheMan876 on 12/9/2009 11:44:05 PM , Rating: 4
I hope you're not bashing AT&T or else MrSmurf might start to cry.


RE: Lol
By DEVGRU on 12/10/09, Rating: 0
RE: Lol
By dtm4trix on 12/10/2009 2:30:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Can you say: "Class Action Lawsuit" boys and girls?


After reading this article I was thinking the same exact thing.

I really hope Verizon can get the iPhone. AT&T sucks ball sack. I really can't wait to get rid of my AT&T contract.


RE: Lol
By hyvonen on 12/10/2009 3:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely - this is class action lawsuit material. Unlike the "tethering is not allowed" thingy (spelled out in the Terms and Conditions), using the phone with regular, sanctioned apps should be OK, and it's ATT's problem if the network can't handle it.

Whiners. Upgrade your frigging network with your massive profits.


RE: Lol
By MrBlastman on 12/11/2009 10:27:59 AM , Rating: 5
Instead of suing, here's an idea... just leave AT&T and join another carrier. Lawyers don't get rich this way while you get little recourse and everyone wins when AT&T figures out their losing customers by the millions.


RE: Lol
By kufeifie on 12/15/2009 9:02:50 PM , Rating: 1
Christmas gifts come in to pick:
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jewerly $20
ugg boots$50
jordan shoes$32
handbag$35
h t t p : / / w w w . b h s h o e . c o m


RE: Lol
By kufeifie on 12/15/09, Rating: 0
RE: Lol
By kufeifie on 12/15/2009 10:10:57 PM , Rating: 1
Christmas gifts come in to pick:
=====h t t p : / / w w w . b h s h o e . c o m====
jewerly $20
ugg boots$50
jordan shoes$32
handbag$35
h t t p : / / w w w . b h s h o e . c o m


RE: Lol
By ksherman on 12/9/2009 11:51:05 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, but you can't make a phone call at the same time!


RE: Lol
By mcnabney on 12/10/2009 12:04:53 AM , Rating: 2
He's using T-Mobile, only US Cellular has a smaller network.


RE: Lol
By weskurtz0081 on 12/10/2009 9:39:12 AM , Rating: 2
I get better coverage on Tmobile in some places than I get on AT&T.


RE: Lol
By Gwoben on 12/10/2009 10:41:09 AM , Rating: 1
I have seen plenty of places where AT&T had coverage and Verizon did not as well as the opposite (have phones from both providers between me and my wife). It would be fair to compare AT&T and Verizon coverage, but T-mobile is just a different league - it is non-existing outside of big cities.


RE: Lol
By weskurtz0081 on 12/10/2009 10:50:33 AM , Rating: 3
Really? I was at our family ranch when I had strong T-Mobile coverage, and it's more than an hour from any major city, some say it's out in the sticks. In the main house, AT&T has bad coverage, T-Mobile has good coverage.

I am not saying they have better coverage than AT&T, but saying it is non-existing outside of large cities is clearly not true.


RE: Lol
By AEvangel on 12/10/2009 11:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
AT&T and Verizon coverage, but T-mobile is just a different league - it is non-existing outside of big cities.


Um....for standard signal they use the same towers? So to say you had signal with Verizon and or At&t but not with t-mobile is silly since basic cell service works on both networks.


RE: Lol
By mezman on 12/10/2009 4:00:39 PM , Rating: 2
Got that right. I have the T-Mob with my G1 and the coverage in the Denver area is spotty for sure. 3G coverage is very, very small.


RE: Lol
By sprockkets on 12/10/2009 12:11:13 AM , Rating: 2
Uh, yes he can, both Att and T-Mobile use the same technology.

T-Mobile also relies on GSM coverage too from Att.


RE: Lol
By piroroadkill on 12/10/2009 4:40:32 AM , Rating: 2
Wrong. Only CDMA/EV-DO (Verizon) has this problem. Not GSM/GPRS/UMTS/Edge


RE: Lol
By Chaser on 12/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Lol
By Alexstarfire on 12/10/2009 9:46:40 AM , Rating: 2
Cause they don't have an iPhone?


RE: Lol
By Totally on 12/10/2009 10:35:56 AM , Rating: 2
*Cough* Sprint *Cough**Cough*


RE: Lol
By spathotan on 12/10/2009 7:40:56 AM , Rating: 4
Sorry, would have replied to this sooner but I was cycling through all my songs and videos on my 16gb storage, and accepted a call, which paused my music, which instantly resumed when I hung up on the call.


RE: Lol
By jonmcc33 on 12/10/2009 8:11:06 AM , Rating: 2
So how is your phone reception? Last time I used T-Mobile 3 years ago I had dropped calls and lack of signal everywhere I went.


RE: Lol
By spathotan on 12/10/2009 9:05:25 AM , Rating: 2
Where I live and work its good, 3-4 bars and 3g. However its spotty when I get "away" from the city/business districts


RE: Lol
By Denigrate on 12/10/2009 12:23:49 PM , Rating: 2
No 3G service in Wichita, KS with T-Mobile, but I have zero problems with dropped calls, and I only have a prepaid phone with them. Routinely drive between Wichita and Dallas with no coverage drops.


RE: Lol
By weskurtz0081 on 12/10/2009 2:25:47 PM , Rating: 2
My girlfriend has been using Tmobile for about 6-7 years, I have had both. The coverage difference isn't that great. In some places she will lose her signal, and in other places she will have a much better signal than me (out in the country). In the city the coverage is no different really.


RE: Lol
By mmntech on 12/10/2009 8:57:54 AM , Rating: 3
Ha, you guys are lucky. I'm paying $25 for a measly 500mb on Fido Canada. :p

I'm calling shenanigans on AT&T for this one. How much can you honestly download using your cell, that is unless you're tethering. Don't those people already pay more to begin with?


RE: Lol
By vapore0n on 12/15/2009 2:40:23 PM , Rating: 2
Here is an example

streaming 128kbps music for 1 hr nets about 57MB.

But, if 3% of the Iphone customers can use up 40% of the total network bandwidth, that says much about how bad their network infrastructure is.


RE: Lol
By Chaser on 12/10/2009 9:17:04 AM , Rating: 2
You and 1 other person in your calling area.


RE: Lol
By spathotan on 12/10/2009 11:31:26 AM , Rating: 2
Don't be bitter.


RE: Lol
By Sanchez1986 on 12/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Lol
By Sungpooz on 12/11/2009 10:58:30 AM , Rating: 3
I actually quickly forwarded the link to this article to all my co-workers in 4 taps just now while at a red light with the turn-by-turn voice navigation still active on my MyTouch (T-Mobile).

And have time to post before the light turns green.


RE: Lol
By kkuulr on 12/12/09, Rating: -1
RE: Lol
By aqaq55 on 12/15/09, Rating: 0
RE: Lol
By kufeifie on 12/15/2009 9:15:45 PM , Rating: 2
Christmas gifts come in to pick:
=====h t t p : / / w w w . b h s h o e . c o m====
jewerly $20
ugg boots$50
jordan shoes$32
handbag$35
h t t p : / / w w w . b h s h o e . c o m


RE: Lol
By kufeifie on 12/15/2009 9:43:29 PM , Rating: 2
Christmas gifts come in to pick:
=====h t t p : / / w w w . b h s h o e . c o m====
jewerly $20
ugg boots$50
jordan shoes$32
handbag$35
h t t p : / / w w w . b h s h o e . c o m


By Targon on 12/10/2009 8:15:42 AM , Rating: 3
On the topic at hand, it makes sense that if the network is saturated in spots, it only makes sense that those who use the most bandwidth will be asked to cut back a bit. This is so ALL customers can use the service without having to suffer due to a few who want to use all the resources they possibly can.

Now, there are ways to help, such as to limit the speeds of everyone so that more can use the service. This basically puts a penalty on everyone just because a few are sucking up all the bandwidth they possibly can. They can boost bandwidth going to the cellular network, but this would be expensive and would require a LOT of work. Or, they could do what they are doing, and will just look at those who use a truly excessive amount of bandwidth on a cell phone and make them pay extra.

And then, there are those who keep posting about quality of service, without questioning the quality of the iPhone. Have ANY of you who have problems with the iPhone actually tested another phone on AT&T to see if it is any better? How do you know the problem isn't with the iPhone itself? Four years ago I used to see people comparing call quality on different phones on the same network to see which phone was the best for the purpose. Why is it that suddenly, the iPhone has eliminated all sorts of discussion about PHONE quality? Could it be because people are more interested in apps on the iPhone than they are about using it as a phone?




By StraightCashHomey on 12/10/2009 8:32:55 AM , Rating: 5
If they say unlimited data, they better have the network infrastructure to back that up. If they don't want people using a certain amount of bandwidth per month, then don't call it unlimited data.


By akse on 12/10/2009 9:41:53 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, totally agree. Posting this from my N900 with unlimited data (512Mbit) 9.9e / month.

If I get a data plan with unlimited data and desire to use it a lot the ISP should make sure that they are cabable to deliver quality services for all customers. If there are areas that have troubles the ISP should invest some more to networks.


By dxf2891 on 12/10/2009 10:48:17 AM , Rating: 4
Unfortunately for AT&T they have grandfathered and locked their customers and THEMSELVES into a contract that states "unlimited" data usage. To "fine" or charge extra for what they consider excessive data use will result in one the largest class action lawsuits in recent history. They have exhibited greed in attempting to corner the market in the smart phone arena and have made claims that their infrastructure is unable to back up. Their only saving grace is that they promised unlimited data, there is no guarantee for speeds and connections. It will interesting to see how this proceeds and I wonder if this is the crack in the armor that Verizon and Droid were waiting for? If AT&T proceeds on this course this will in essence void a lot of their "locked in" contracts freeing people to switch if they choose.


By ICBM on 12/10/2009 12:04:53 PM , Rating: 3
Unless these companies go mean unlimited, they need to not use it, or change the definition in the dictionary. It is major false advertisement to say unlimited and then complain that 4% of the users are using all this bandwidth. So what! They signed up for the unlimited plan, so they should be able to use it all day long pulling as much data as they want. If AT&T didn't want this, DON'T CALL THE PLAN UNLIMITED!!! This is where a suit needs to be brought against them and all others.


By kroker on 12/10/2009 12:06:06 PM , Rating: 5
Damn right! Not only do they sell a service they're not actually capable of providing, now they're blaming users for actually using it?! I mean, I understand that infrastructure is costly and you may want to oversell your service to more users than you could actually support by betting that they won't use that much, until you could upgrade your infrastructure to support these too. But 3%?!!! 3% of users are enough to bog down your network? What the hell kind of infrastructure is that?! When you made your predictions you were only expecting 1% of people actually using your service? Or maybe even 0%? Instead of being happy that 97% of your users don't use what they payed you to use and that you can get away with considerable profits, you are upset because 3% of them do?

Overselling is YOUR risk! If users actually start using more than you can handle, then expect to cut down into your profits and upgrade your crappy god damn stinkin' infrastructure. Because it's YOUR own fault. How dare you blame and fine people that actually use what they're buying from you? You claim unlimited service so that you'll get a lot more clients that you would otherwise, and then you expect ALL of them to only check emails and do occasional web surfing? Yeah, most of them probably do this, but if you can't even handle 3% of them actually using what you sold them, then you should just give it up. You think that because there are few users who use a lot of bandwidth, you would be better off without them and just stay with the other suckers who pay good money for a service they don't really use? Well, guess what, the knowledge that they couldn't use it IF they wanted to, and also that you lied to them, will make you loose those clients too. Like you deserve.

AT&T, you truly SUCK! I hope the clients you cheat all the time sue the living hell out of you.


AT&T Has Issues
By kelasings on 12/10/2009 12:13:49 AM , Rating: 5
I have been a long time AT&T customer. Prior to AT&T, I was with Sprint. I used to have a Cingular 8125, however, earlier this year I got an iPhone. I travel extensively across the country in the national park system of the US and I can tell you from hard experience - AT&T has a very, very poor network across the US. I have been in so many situations now where I could not use that beautiful iPhone Google GPS app because I had no service and it wouldn't work. I didn't even realize that it was not just using the satellites. I thought I would have that feature even if I didn't have phone service. I was wrong. In those same situations, people with me using BlackBerrys on Verizon had service! In the Badlands of South Dakota, there were areas where I had no service, but others with Verizon AND Sprint did. On areas of Mt. Rainier, others had service but I didn't. In areas of Crater Of the Moon in Idaho, others had service but I didn't.

On the outside arrivals area of Seattle Tacoma Airport, I had 5 bars yet every time I went to make a call, the call kept dropping. I thought something was wrong with that particular area and as I started to turn to go find a payphone. I was confronted with a whole bunch of people on their phones! They had service and were talking while I couldn't even call the person picking me up to let them know what door I was standing at.

AT&T has problems. Unfortunately, if Verizon gets the iPhone I am going to pay the early termination fee and go. I can't afford to have calls drop like this. After finding the point where I was supposed to be in one national park, I realized that I had to notify a member of my time of my location. I had no signal. I had to leave the spot, get in my SUV and go around until I found a signal. When the person got back to the spot with me, I didn't have service as expected, but they did! I was a little peeved. I had no idea that AT&T had this kind of service when I originally signed up with them. I simply wasn't traveling as much. Now that I am, I can tell you from firsthand experience that the service is not present in a LOT of places outside of major cities. On the bright side, I have experienced STELLAR service when I have called AT&T.




RE: AT&T Has Issues
By roostitup on 12/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: AT&T Has Issues
By tallcool1 on 12/10/2009 4:02:15 AM , Rating: 3
You think Apple is having second thoughts now about them choosing AT&T as the sole wireless network for their iPhone?


RE: AT&T Has Issues
By frobizzle on 12/10/2009 9:24:26 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
You think Apple is having second thoughts now about them choosing AT&T as the sole wireless network for their iPhone?

Do you really think Apple chose AT&T? Idealistically, it sounds good that Apple put out a request for bids, then chose AT&T either because of excellent service or that AT&Tsubmitted the lowest bid.

Realistically, AT&T probably came to Apple with the largest "gift".


RE: AT&T Has Issues
By ElFenix on 12/10/2009 6:50:26 PM , Rating: 5
iirc, apple first went to verizon, but verizon didn't want to deal with apple's demands.


RE: AT&T Has Issues
By icanhascpu on 12/11/2009 6:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
In retrospect was a bad business decision for them.

iPhone + biggest and most stable network? Yes please.


Those darn bandwidth hogs....
By CrazyBernie on 12/9/2009 11:09:43 PM , Rating: 5
I love when a company offers a service and then blames it on their users for actually using that service.




RE: Those darn bandwidth hogs....
By MonkeyPaw on 12/10/2009 7:33:37 AM , Rating: 2
Kinda sounds like the "AOL Unlimited Internet" fiasco.


RE: Those darn bandwidth hogs....
By dxf2891 on 12/10/2009 10:59:52 AM , Rating: 4
Or the Comcast unlimited internet access.


RE: Those darn bandwidth hogs....
By lightfoot on 12/10/2009 12:04:37 PM , Rating: 5
Or the Country Buffet bankruptcy.

When will these companies learn never say "unlimited" to an American.


Just Try It
By Ard on 12/10/2009 12:27:41 AM , Rating: 5
I would love to see the fallout from them charging users, myself included, additional fees/fines for utilizing the UNLIMITED data plan that they're paying for. Can anyone say class-action lawsuit? If your sorry network couldn't support the iPhone, you shouldn't have taken it on.




RE: Just Try It
By dxf2891 on 12/10/2009 11:10:11 AM , Rating: 2
Paper work is already typed up and awaiting the first charge/fine and it's off to federal court. We pay a premium for unlimited data. They issued us a contract in good faith, and now they want to decide to change the terms? Like you said, "Just try it." My plan is to have them pay the early termination fee that we would have to if we were to prematurely end our contract.


RE: Just Try It
By theapparition on 12/10/2009 1:28:01 PM , Rating: 4
I suggest you read your fine print on the contract. It will have something stating that they can change terms of contract at any time. Before anyone would get fined, you'll get those envelopes in the mail that says "Important changes to your account" with a pamphlet written in tiny legaleeze.

That's how it's done.

Now here's the important part. Them changing the contract also requires that you accept the contract (aka, do nothing). Non acceptance means canceling your service immediately, with no contract termination fee required.

So you do have a choice when the pamphlet comes in, accept thier terms, or cancel your service.

However, your individual lawsuit will fall on deaf ears. And good luck with a class action lawsuit. You'll win and get a coupon good for $20 off your next two years of service with AT&T hell.


RE: Just Try It
By warrioryoko on 12/12/2009 8:58:57 PM , Rating: 2
There are things that may be agreed to or rights waived in the scope of a contract, but not all hold up in court.

Similarly, the 'right to make changes (with prior notification) to contractual agreements' doesn't work like a corporate 'get out of jail free' card.

It's really all going to depend on how AT&T handles the customer right's end of the contract.

If AT&T makes the decision to start any sort of metered charging scheme for 'excessive use' of it's unlimited data plan - at minimum it's going to have to let a lot of people locked into the unlimited data plan & associated contracts requiring x months of paid data plan go without an early termination fee, and probably any phone or other accessories they received as goodies as part of the bargain.

That alone is a *huge* financial hit and loss of future business prospects, not to mention a load of bad PR on top of probably losing their exclusive iPhone contract to Verizon.

If they try and stick it to their customers and don't give them a free out of their prior contract without biting them, then they certainly *will* have a class-action lawsuit on their hands that they'll lose by a landslide.

But I wouldn't expect anything extra from a lawsuit besides contract nullfication than a 'coupon good for crap nobody wants' if that.

But the loss of business and equipment (free phones, etc) as well as horrible publicity is damaging enough.


If AT&T ever pulls that with me
By DuctTapeAvenger on 12/10/2009 12:12:19 PM , Rating: 5
I'd be tempted to fire up my lightsaber app and chuck my iPhone at the manager at the nearest store, assuming I could find it. Since I'm close to the Canadian border here in Detroit, everything is in kilometers in the Maps app. As a red-blooded American, this is almost as useful to me as measuring the distance in cricket pitches or double-decker buses. If I don't get lost from bad directions, I still have to deal with their system randomly telling me I've teleported from Detroit to Seattle. As much as I would like to think I've mastered the ability to teleport myself at will, I think my phone just contains an Infinite Improbability Drive, and it exists simultaneously in every conceivable and inconceivable point in every conceivable and inconceivable universe, none of which have a signal.




RE: If AT&T ever pulls that with me
By johnsonx on 12/10/2009 3:38:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...none of which have a signal.

A very Douglas Adams way to close off your rant. I lol'd.


RE: If AT&T ever pulls that with me
By JediJeb on 12/10/2009 5:15:46 PM , Rating: 5
42

Problem solved.


Here's a thought...
By ira176 on 12/10/2009 1:55:01 AM , Rating: 5
maybe ATT should tell it's investors that they need to invest more of the profits into bettering infrastructure, in order to fulfill current obligations and keep their customers satisfied, and to attract new ones.




RE: Here's a thought...
By EJ257 on 12/10/2009 8:02:23 AM , Rating: 4
Yeah but why waste the money improving your infrastructure now that your pissing off all your most valued customers and driving them away. In a few years the network will be fine again because all the high data users have left for a better provider (one that actually offers unlimited data) The money is better spent lining the pockets of the idiotic/brain dead executives who actually come up with stuff because come on they really need that 20th beach house in Aruba ya know. /Sarcaism


Not withstanding poor infrastructure
By SunAngel on 12/9/2009 11:15:52 PM , Rating: 2
I can not comment on the drop call rate because in my area I have not had any dropped calls, ever. But, data rates are definitely not 3G during prime hours. Verizon's commercials kinda do hit home. While I'm happy with the pricing, rollover minutes, and customer service, all this is being negated by some pretty crappy data rates.

Should I think iPhones are solely to blame? Not at all. I have an AT&T air card also and for some reason it is more prone to a lack of signal (especially in brick building) than poor data rates. This lead me to belive AT&T's network infrastructure is poorly placed/built/partitioned or whatever the terminology being used today.

Verizon has good coverage in my area and I hear Sprint does also. But, given the service level I've received from AT&T since 2001, I will stick with them throughout this period. Supposedly, 4G will be a little better. Yet, that will require a new iPhone and the chances of me shelling out 300+ for a cell/pda/computer again is less likely to happen in the next 3-4 years. By that time, 5G or 6G will be the new golden child.




By Lifted on 12/10/2009 12:08:01 AM , Rating: 2
In 3-4 years 4g will just be picking up steam.


By mcnabney on 12/10/2009 12:09:27 AM , Rating: 1
Verizon will be first with LTE next year (deployed in two cities now). Don't expect a 5G for another decade or two. LTE will deliver cable-modem speeds to your phone. What on gods green earth would you need more than 20 megabits for on a portable device. Maybe they will start pushing the upload speeds next. That would help usher-in HD video calls. And a new era of Sexting....


Let me help
By Jalek on 12/10/2009 1:33:06 AM , Rating: 5
Once the iPhone's legitimately available elsewhere, I'll drop AT&T that day, just to avoid being a burden to them.

I'm a hell of a guy, sacrificing like that.




Wait for it...
By IcePickFreak on 12/10/2009 3:56:37 PM , Rating: 4
"There's an additional charge for that"




This sounds oddly familiar....
By Alexstarfire on 12/10/2009 12:50:16 AM , Rating: 3
to what the ISPs have been saying about broadband users. Darn that small percentage of people actually using the service they paid for. What the hell is wrong with them. The internet isn't about video, streaming, and downloads at all.




Extra Towers != Better 3G
By RugbyChix on 12/10/2009 12:18:42 AM , Rating: 2
I give kudos to Verizon for covering every cow in the area of the country that is geographically 60% of the US but is probably population wise only 10% of the US. You pay a fairly nice premium for the luxury of having 3G in those areas.

For the rest of us, you know like the majority of the cell phone users in the country who live in one of the big metro corridors, we would prefer the big carriers actually beef up the fiber to their existing towers. This is what is screwing AT&T right now. I recently moved away from AT&T because my 3G speeds were pathetic, in the dead of night i might get 900 Kbs or even 1 Mbs. The upload was not too bad given the download speed. Verizon is definitely more consistent from my experience in the I95 corridor but pretty crappy in the upload category.

Since I don't visit the sticks too often, I moved to good ol Magenta (tmobile) and bought myself a N900 (beast of a phone.) Here in philly I cruise around on the 7.2 network. At nights I peak at almost 6.5 Mbs and during the day I routinely get over 2 Mbs. And we're not talking about the test patch for the new 21 Mbs flavor HSPDA+. And since Magenta is also GSM based I can use my data connection and talk at the same time.




We have better in France :)
By fredthelight on 12/10/2009 7:31:43 AM , Rating: 2
Like everywhere in the world, we have phone providers that sale Unlimited internet access, mostly with Iphones...
Trouble is, none reads the small contract lines..that say : time is unlimited, data is limited to 1GB/month..because of this, some customers from Orange (ex France Telecom) got some REALLY high bills this summer...between 50 000 and 150 000€! YES you read well...250 000$ for one month tel bill!
Cases have been on the news, and deals have been found since..wonder what people did with their Iphone...:)




NIN
By CupCak3 on 12/10/2009 9:26:50 AM , Rating: 2
... Will you bite the hand that feeds you...




HD streaming here we come!
By The0ne on 12/10/2009 11:00:13 AM , Rating: 2
This is awesome news for streaming stuff. I was wrong and everyone else was right, streaming particularly HD streaming is soooo going to take off.




CUT THE APP
By dragunover on 12/10/2009 1:30:50 PM , Rating: 2
"No need to fine, just cut the app, they suggest."
Lol, just lol.




Silly
By Spivonious on 12/10/2009 1:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
None of the "unlimited" plans are truly unlimited. Look at the fine print. This is not an AT&T-only thing.




Hating or not...
By jharper12 on 12/10/2009 5:31:03 PM , Rating: 2
When a company fails as massively as 30% failure anywhere... they need to pay for it dearly. So why isn't AT&T paying for it dearly? Because the iPhone is a spectacular piece of equipment, and they locked in a ridiculous exclusivity agreement. Does that allow them to screw consumers? Apparently... which is exactly why the FCC should start forcing these service providers to meet certain expectations. >10-15% call drop rate? Fined. Calling a limited data plan unlimited? Fined. Too many cases of accidentally charging a customer for something? Fined.

I don't know if DailyTech really does quote that figure everywhere... I know I have seen it before. But who cares? AT&T executives should be eating humble pie every day for such an embarrassing number... to blame it on consumers is really really pathetic.

I don't know why people stick with AT&T... even if they do have the iPhone. I have Sprint, they are hemorrhaging customers, and I have excellent service. Unlimited (but still limited ;) everything, and I pay $25.60 a month for my line on a family plan. I get a $150 credit for a new phone every 12 months (not 24). I never have dropped calls, and the service works well around the nation. The whole telecomm. industry is just bizarre to me. Why get hung up on a phone for over-priced crap service? I would pay twice as much for service elsewhere, and between that and the 12 month upgrade credit of $150... well, my phone is usually the best one among my friends, because I can upgrade it more often.

Is my current phone as good as the current iPhone? It's up for debate, I think most people would say "no", but I have a HTC Touch Pro 2, and it's great. It's certainly better than the previous iPhone, and my next phone will be better than the current iPhone. So why are people willing to forgo good, and cheap, service just to have a nicer phone for 6-12 months? I dunno... but obviously the executives at AT&T do, and good for them for carving out that little niche space and filling it with the souls of millions of hapless iPhone users unable to complete a phone conversation on their cell PHONE . I guess phone calls are so 1870's anyways...




Yea right
By msheredy on 12/11/2009 11:42:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
AT&T is considering plans to make "unlimited" mean "don't use too much or we'll fine you.


That'll go over like a wet pig trying to fly. Could you imagine the tone of that meeting once that little blurb was said. Talk about awkward!




AT&T fails
By eddieroolz on 12/11/2009 10:01:20 PM , Rating: 2
Dear AT&T,

Don't put the word "unlimited" if you plan on limiting.

Otherwise, you're guilty of false advertising. Upgrade your network if you can't handle it.




Please
By Kyanzes on 12/12/2009 10:49:58 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is fairly easy to describe. These guys don't want their customers to have unlimited download potential BUT at the same time they're afraid to include this in the contracts/ads because it would look bad when compared to competitors.

Surprise, you can't have both. How astonishing.




After reading alot of messages
By AntDX316 on 12/23/2009 2:09:45 AM , Rating: 2
it seems all carriers r not immune to no coverage

just because some areas where T-mobile isnt available is where AT&T or verizon or 3 ways around doesnt mean the carrier has strong coverage everywhere

u could be in an area where one carrier has more towers and someone in another area with ur carrier has like no towers




OH WOW REALLY I DIDNT KNOW THAT
By meepstone on 12/10/09, Rating: 0
Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By MrSmurf on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
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By bbomb on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By cmdrdredd on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By Chapbass on 12/10/2009 1:02:09 AM , Rating: 2
If by "hate" you mean "love", then yes, dailytech hates on apple every minute possible...

Please note Jason Micks holiday wish list article/blog from today. Hating away like no tomorrow...


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By Chaser on 12/10/2009 9:36:15 AM , Rating: 5
Spoken like a true smartphone genius that probably spend no more than 3 minutes at a Verizon store while beaming on the inside with your iPhone in your pocket.

I just went to a DROID from an iPhone 3G. If you can't comfortably operate a DROID after owning an iPhone you truly are permanently attached to Steve Job's tit and are a prime example of a Apple mind numb robot that has a very limited scope of technology. You found your home. Stay connected to the matrix and all is harmonius.


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By cmdrdredd on 12/10/2009 4:37:55 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
poken like a true smartphone genius that probably spend no more than 3 minutes at a Verizon store while beaming on the inside with your iPhone in your pocket. I just went to a DROID from an iPhone 3G. If you can't comfortably operate a DROID after owning an iPhone you truly are permanently attached to Steve Job's tit and are a prime example of a Apple mind numb robot that has a very limited scope of technology. You found your home. Stay connected to the matrix and all is harmonius.


A monkey could figure out the iPhone in 3 minutes. The Droid? Not so much, plus read every review. The supposed 5 megapixel camera is actually of lesser quality than the iPhone, the app store sux, data storage space sucks, the interface for music and videos sucks. You like it because it's Verizon and nothing more. Just admit it. The iPhone is the better device hands down, simply people don't like AT&T so they lump the iPhone in with what's wrong with ATT which is wrong.


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By Zertzydoo on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By mikeyD95125 on 12/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By n0ebert on 12/10/2009 10:26:20 AM , Rating: 3
If you were one of those 30% of users, I doubt you would have such a perspective.

Wouldn't it be more prudent to continue to post about the failings of AT&T's service until they improve it? 30% is no small number and it's not something that should simply be 'swept under the rug'.

AT&T needs to stop reading comcasts playbook and focus on revamping their infrastructure, not punish customers who utilize the features to their full extent.


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By CrazyBernie on 12/9/2009 11:06:28 PM , Rating: 3
When you talk big, but can't deliver... you get bashed. Don't like the bashing, or pehaps just plain bias? Stay away from pretty much any news source.


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By Schadenfroh on 12/9/2009 11:07:45 PM , Rating: 5
Dailytech will stop bashing AT&T when they no longer deserve to be bashed. Fortunately for those of us who hate AT&T, they have done enough to earn bashing for the next several decades.


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By cmdrdredd on 12/10/09, Rating: 0
RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By jstchilln on 12/9/2009 11:27:12 PM , Rating: 5
I guess Unlimited doesnt mean Unlimited.
NEW AT&T Commercial
AT&T now offering Limited Unlimited Data service for a limited time.

Maybe they expect their user to throw a post card like the Bozo in their lame commercials.
Verizon not only has the best service but they are kicking a-- in the commercials to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2mCFQuFWPY


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By Samus on 12/10/2009 12:46:44 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think you guys realize this, but half the staff at DT use an iPhone and a Mac Book. I don't think there is any bias information here, everything is factual and their job as journalists is to inform.


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By StevoLincolnite on 12/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By rs1 on 12/10/2009 3:54:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's not "bashing" if they deserve it.


RE: Yay More AT&T Bashing...
By Griswold on 12/10/2009 6:51:42 AM , Rating: 1
Do you happen to work for that pile of horseshit called a telco?


By StraightCashHomey on 12/10/2009 8:37:56 AM , Rating: 2
It's funny how everyone criticizes the bloggers here for how shitty of a job they're doing. It's even funnier that everyone keeps reading and keeps complaining about it.

I think you bitchers secretly can't get enough. It's like watching a porno with obese women - you act like you're going to turn it off, but you just gotta see what happens next.


Yawn...
By roostitup on 12/10/09, Rating: -1
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By intelpatriot on 12/10/09, Rating: -1
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By roostitup on 12/10/09, Rating: 0
RE: Yawn...
By roostitup on 12/10/2009 8:12:38 PM , Rating: 1
Notice how legitimate comments trying to increase DailyTech's credibility are getting rated down. Censorship at it's finest. Get rid of Mick and you will become a much more respectable tech news site.


RE: Yawn...
By SerafinaEva on 12/10/2009 3:17:23 PM , Rating: 1
It sure didn't drive you cry babies away. Daily tech is one of the most respected and credible tech news source on the web. That's why you just keep coming back for more. Don't deny it.


RE: Yawn...
By cmdrdredd on 12/10/09, Rating: 0
RE: Yawn...
By roostitup on 12/10/2009 8:10:24 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, you've got to be kidding me. One of the most respected and credible, my butt. By the way, I will deny it because it has been driving me away, I have been using other sites to get my legitimate news lately, I emphasize legitimate. I am slowly working away from the site, next it will be out of my bookmarks especially if Mick continues to dominate the articles with his biased journalism. DailyTech is becoming the National Inquirer of tech news, once you get that label you can't go back so I would recommend changing your ways fast, DailyTech.


RE: Yawn...
By SerafinaEva on 12/11/2009 1:42:58 AM , Rating: 2
Yet you're here posting, lol.


RE: Yawn...
By bigbubba on 12/11/2009 3:09:53 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, you obviously don't get it. Use your brain to figure why he's posting. He's trying to get a point across to the website in order to improve it.


ATT...
By tekzor on 12/9/09, Rating: -1
"Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?... So why the f*** doesn't it do that?" -- Steve Jobs













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