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Unlimited internet suffers another blow

AT&T is beginning trials for metered internet access in Reno, Nevada, where it plans to tighten the clamps on the “small minority” of customers who use a “disproportionately large amount” of its bandwidth capacity.

In a letter filed electronically with the FCC (PDF), AT&T attorney Jack Zimmerman says the company will provide customers in the trial with a written notice of their service limitations, along with another written warning when they reach the 80 percent mark. For customers that exceed their bandwidth allotment more than once – the size of which varies based on the service level, starting with a 20 GB limit for 768kbps customers and topping out at 150 GB for 6 mbps lines – they will find an additional charge of $1 per gigabyte on their monthly bill.

Customers unwilling to participate have the option of cancelling their service, and those that choose to do so will have their early termination fee waived.

AT&T says its trial “underscores [its] commitment to bring bigger, faster and smarter broadband networks to more and more communities at affordable rates.” According to DSLReports, the company has been hinting about a shift since last summer, if not earlier.

With more than 14.7 million subscribers, AT&T is the largest ISP in the United States.  It joins Time Warner and Comcast, among others, in a seemingly growing list of companies experimenting with – or already implementing – bandwidth caps in order to curb what they consider to be “excessive” internet usage.

The U.S. ISPs’ seemingly gradual descent from the realm of unlimited bandwidth, a number of observers – including this writer – wonder if ISPs are placing themselves on a collision course with the next generation of internet applications, of which high-quality video is expected to feature prominently.



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All this
By bbomb on 11/4/2008 8:36:52 AM , Rating: 5
is going to do is make sure that we fall further and further behind the rest of the world bandwidth wise. We are already near the bottom right? While the rest of the world enjoys bandwidth rich entertainment, US ISP's will reduce ours to the point that dial up starts to sound like a good idea again.




RE: All this
By jadeskye on 11/4/2008 8:48:30 AM , Rating: 3
I agree, and it's not just you americans my friend. Over here in the UK while we still enjoy the luxury of unlimited internet, it's throttled horribly after very small amounts of data.

The australians also experiance hell with their ISPs.

It seems like the whole world falls behind japan :p


RE: All this
By xsilver on 11/4/2008 9:16:40 AM , Rating: 3
so true - and the $1/gb isnt THAT bad.

here in OZ the worst offender is $0.15 / MB
thats right - per MB.

after many complaints a lot of ISP's have put a cap on that at $150 per month (yes so they're only allowed to rip you off a further $150 a month)
but a few still remain where there is no cap, so it is entirely possible that you download windows 7 beta off msdn and it will literally cost you $500


RE: All this
By nah on 11/4/2008 9:29:32 AM , Rating: 2
Actually--this is what is known as price discrimination--it exists if 3 basic conditions are satisfied--

--the product is supplied by a monopolist
-- it must be possible to split consumers into separate markets
--each separate market has a different price elasticity od demand

what is occurring here is second degree price discrimination--consumers pay one price for certain units, and other prices for further units


RE: All this
By StevoLincolnite on 11/4/2008 9:59:46 AM , Rating: 2
In Australia they get away with it because: ALL ISP's have bandwidth limitations, be it your download quota, and then once reached throttle your speeds to Dial-Up speeds for the remainder of the month, or you are charged excessive fees like $1 per gigabyte all the way up to $150 a gigabyte. - The catch? They have it written in the "Terms and Conditions" when you signed up that conditions may change and so may your limitations on your connection.

However our Monopoly which is Telstra is probably the largest thief, with a 25gb limit on most of it's plans, and that also includes uploads. - I'm personally with Westnet (Best ISP in AUS!) and I have 25gb during On-Peak Periods, and 40gb during off-peak periods which doesn't include uploads for only $80 at 1.5mbps, plus a "Freezone" with free gaming servers, radio, files like: Linux Distro's, patches, trailers, mods and demo's and other such things. - Good thing about that is that you get the files at your full connection speed and it doesn't add to your download usage.

I usually just set uTorrent up to download over-night during my off-peak periods and game during my on-peak periods, works well thus far.

And with the National Broadband Network *still* waiting to start construction, I'm hoping Terria will win the bid, then Telstra won't have a monopoly on our Internet Infrastructure which hopefully Leeds to more downloads at a lower price.

Then you have the Great Australian Firewall... Which is *supposed* to be censoring all content for all Australians that is deemed un-suitable for children whether we like it or not.
Funny thing is that tests have shown that our Internet speeds dropped at around 30% in some cases, sometimes even up to 70% or more, plus legitimate websites are also blocked.

And yet, I'm still feeling large amounts of jealousy over the 200gb limits that some of the American ISP's are starting to use, Imagine how much pr0n I could download to fill up my HDD?


RE: All this
By Mitch101 on 11/4/2008 10:48:19 AM , Rating: 5
Maybe its time to screw them back.

One customer gets an internet connection and shares it with 5 of his neighbors. Providing none of them are high bandwidth people. It screws them out of 4 internet service connections.

You want bandwidth limits ok with WiFi we can limit your subscriber base.


RE: All this
By heffeque on 11/4/2008 3:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
There's no bandwidth cap in Spain and I'm sure that there will never be. P2P is extremely widespread and bandwidth caps + P2P are a bad combination.


RE: All this
By Mitch101 on 11/5/2008 9:01:30 AM , Rating: 4
heffeque my Wifi wont reach Spain. Even on the max setting. Can you put in some repeaters and will split the internet connection? ;)


RE: All this
By heffeque on 11/5/2008 9:27:47 AM , Rating: 2
Sure! No problem ;-D


RE: All this
By LordanSS on 11/4/2008 2:39:35 PM , Rating: 2
Holy crap...

$80 for 1.5mbps with cap? Dang...

And here I thought I was being robbed for paying $50 for 4mb down/512k up, unlimited cap. Far as I know tho, it's illegal to cap your downloads/uploads here in Brazil (for now)...

Dang...


RE: All this
By kalak on 11/5/2008 1:09:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Far as I know tho, it's illegal to cap your downloads/uploads here in Brazil

Are you fukking nuts ?!
ALL ISP here do cap !!!!


RE: All this
By rhangman on 11/4/2008 7:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
On unlimited Telstra ADSL2+ here. Not cheap though. Oddly enough cheaper than any other ADSL2+ plan with the kind of download possibilities. Not even sure if anyone else offers unlimited ADSL2.


RE: All this
By StevoLincolnite on 11/4/2008 10:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
Telstra do not have any "unlimited" plans, they claim it as "Unlimited" but when you reach say... 25gb you are dropped to 64k speeds, or if you are paying extra, you may have 60gb of downloads, which after you reach that you end up paying $150 per gigabyte. - They also include uploads, Telstra has worked like this for many many years.

Soon Westnet will be offering ADSL 2+ using the Telstra DSLAMS, which will be refreshing from the typical Optus ULL and iiNet's infrastructure, hopefully Westnet uses a similar pricing scheme as the iiNet or Optus ULL, would give me a choice to upgrade to ADSL 2+ and considering I am around 2km's from the exchange I should enjoy around 16-18mbps speeds.

TPG have some good plans however, they are offering ADSL 2+ connections with a download limit of 200gb - which consists of 60gb of downloads during on-peak and 140gb during off-peak hours for $80 a month, If you go for the 100gb plan the shaping speed is 256k! - I wish more ISP's would be so generous with the shaping speed, however TPG's customer service is practically non-existent.


RE: All this
By nangryo on 11/4/2008 9:42:37 PM , Rating: 2
Talk about lucky, here in my country (Indonesia), the biggest ISP (The current monopolistic one) Charge an arm and leg for crappy connection. About US$ 10 a month for 1GB quota for 512/32kbps (up/down) connection speed. Or US$90 (including tax) for private unlimited service or US$180 for commercial service with the same up and down speed.

Not to mention horrible customer service (Takes about 2 two 4 (yes four) days to solve connection problem, and no, it's not available on weekend, so you have to wait)

You all so damn lucky


RE: All this
By kalak on 11/4/2008 1:39:04 PM , Rating: 2
Here, in Brazil, I have to pay about $40 for 1GB (yes, ONLY 1GB). After that, they slow down the connection to 200kbps - about 3 times dial up connection. If we have $1/1GB plans here... Oh, foock !


RE: All this
By gmyx on 11/4/2008 8:51:50 AM , Rating: 3
Not just US. Up here in Canada we've been dealing with caps for a long time (I remember my ISP back in 2002 implementing a hard 5gb cap). Both Bell and Rogers actively throttle and cap the bandwidth today including sky high prices and dirt low speeds - so don't feel alone!


RE: All this
By mmntech on 11/4/2008 11:11:26 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with Cogeco and have a 60gb per month combined cap at "up to" 10mbps. The actual speed is less than 5mbps. Costs $44.95 bundled with cable TV. I know for sure Cogeco throttles P2P.
Bell is particularly infamous. DSL tends to get slower the further away you are from the hub. CBC Marketplace recently did a test and Bell I think only measured 10-20% of the advertised speed. I have 3G service for my iPhone through Rogers/Fido, which costs $30/mo for a 1gb cap. It's slow as hell, even in the city. I think I'm going to cut it back to the 512mb plan since I don't use it that much.

This is precisely why I can't see digital download services for movies and games replacing disc copies any time soon. North American internet services are too slow, too expensive, and the caps are too restrictive to make these services practical. We're actually going backwards when it comes to net service.


RE: All this
By Hieyeck on 11/4/2008 12:21:26 PM , Rating: 1
You guys have to be living in the boonies. Rogers is providing me with better than the advertised 10Mbps. I do shell out for extra bandwidth, but there's a $25 limit on overuse charges, so once I'm over 115~ GB (I consistently hit 180s, average at 200 GBs) I stop paying for extra use charges, while maintaining my speed. Torrent throttling isn't going to go away, I gave up trying to bitch out Rogers and found alternatives. My GF occasionally torrents shows when she's staying the weekend, and still hits 5~ mbps (of course, depending on seeds/leeches). I've found torrents are throttled only during peak hours, but since I don't torrent much (haven't personally used it in... 6 months?), I don't care.

So the best answer to throttling and shitty service? GOOGLE HARDER.


RE: All this
By Flunk on 11/4/2008 3:21:45 PM , Rating: 2
Funnily enough I have the same ISP as you (Cogeco) and I don't have any of those problems. I get 10Mbps speeds (down) consistently and I know with a certainty that they don't call you on the bandwidth cap unless you exceed it by 10x (Yes, I really did that at one point).

I think it's important to note that where you live is a very important factor in broadband performance (I live in a small sparsely populated city).


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