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The "4G" BlackBerry Torch 9810

The "4G" BlackBerry Bold 9900  (Source: Engadget)
"4G"-ready Torch is the first model to be revealed

According to Canalys Principal Analyst Chris Jones, Canadian phonemaker Research In Motion Ltd. (TSE:RIM) desperately needs to "continue to innovative and recapture lost momentum."  Today RIM made the first step towards that goal, but the question will inevitably whether it will be enough to right the ship. 

RIM's partner carrier AT&T, Inc. (T) today pulled the wraps [press release] over RIM's next generation BlackBerry 7 OS series, to launch this August.  The first model revealed might look a bit familiar -- it's the BlackBerry Torch with a slight hardware refresh.

The previous Torch -- the BlackBerry Torch 9800 -- came out approximately a year ago, in Aug. 2010 and was the first BlackBerry 6 OS device to launch.  Despite falling a bit short of expectations, the Torch saw decent sales and placed sixth in IBTimes's 2010 list of top smart phones.

The new Torch -- the "4G" BlackBerry Torch 9810 -- adds a 3.5G HSPA+ modem (which AT&T rebrands as "4G"), for faster data traffic.  It also significantly bumps the processor trading the slow 624 MHz Marvell Tavor PXA940 for an 1.2 GHz model from Qualcomm Inc. (QCOM).  The NAND flash memory capacity is doubled from 4 GB to 8 GB.  

The camera sticks at 5 MP, but it appears to have some sort of improvements as it can now take 720p video, versus the previous model which could only record at up to 480p.  The display looks identical to the previous model at 3.2-inches.

AT&T describes RIM's new BlackBerry 7 OS, writing:
BlackBerry 7 OS delivers speed, efficiency and UI enhancements and enables new hardware capabilities, including HD video recording, more fluid and responsive graphics, digital compass, and augmented reality. Browsing with the new BlackBerry 7 based smartphones is up to 40% faster than BlackBerry® 6 based smartphones and up to 100% faster than BlackBerry® 5 based smartphones.
Intriguing, AT&T also announces a coming Torch-branded smart phone that's all touch screen.  Hopefully RIM can pull this one off and deliver a solid all-touch phone this time around.  Its only full-touch effort to date has been the problem-plagued Storm, which became the bunt of many a joke, even among RIM supporters. (To be fair, the second generation Storm did offer some modest improvements.)  The new phone is branded the "4G" BlackBerry Torch 9860.

AT&T also announced a coming refresh of the popular "Bold" series.  The new model will be branded the "4G'" BlackBerry Bold 9900.  AT&T did not reveal any hardware details about the Bold 9900 or Torch 9860.

According to a preview in Engadget, the Bold 9900 will feature very similar specs to the new Torch, with a larger 2.8-inch display, a 1.2 GHz processor, a 720p-ready 5 MP camera, and a 10.5 mm thin case (on par with the iPhone 4).


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*crickets chirping*
By Ytsejamer1 on 8/3/2011 8:40:28 AM , Rating: 2
and no one will really give a rat's behind.

I hate to say it...because competition in the marketplace is generally good, but BB is circling the drain and my guess is that they'll be gone in the next three years or so.




RE: *crickets chirping*
By quiksilvr on 8/3/2011 9:11:02 AM , Rating: 3
Especially if they come out with THE SAME PRODUCT!

How about a 4" LED widescreen phone that has dual LED flash and 1080p at 30fps capability? How about a dual core chip? How about HDMI out? 1GB RAM? SOMETHING COMPETITIVE?!


RE: *crickets chirping*
By 91TTZ on 8/3/2011 9:35:44 AM , Rating: 2
Why dual LED flash instead of 1 brighter LED? Cameras usually don't have dual flashes, they just have 1 bright one.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By quiksilvr on 8/3/2011 11:35:47 AM , Rating: 2
Cameras usually have Xenon flash, but are more tube shaped instead of circular. Smartphone nowadays are getting dual LED flash to simulate that tube like flash (makes sense since you are mostly taking landscape photos and need a wider flash instead of just one dot.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By Samus on 8/3/2011 3:06:52 PM , Rating: 1
I have dozens of clients who will never give up their Blackberry. RIM did it right by making a simple phone that does one thing really well: Email. It's a complicated system they put together that is surprisingly reliable, easy to configure and most people understand.

They understand it because Blackberry OS is simple. Unfortunately that simplicity results in lacking modern touches and features. They can't make the OS too modern or they'll risk alienating their client base, which if it isn't obvious, is made up of mostly non-tech-savvy users.

Current Blackberry users don't want a new, modern phone OS that is going to be different. New potential Blackberry users are only going to get a new Blackberry if the OS has much of the same functionality as Android, WinMo and iOS.

Blackberry hardware is still undeniably the best in the industry. The only company that came close to scratching the quality RIM has was Nokia, who amazingly had an even MORE outdated OS: Symbian.

RIM BBOS6 was a step in the right direction, introducing new features and software, but making the touch functionality optional and still allowing legacy shortcuts and prompts. They must keep the trackpad. They must not change their keyboard (look how the Storm turned out...)


RE: *crickets chirping*
By Dean364 on 8/4/2011 8:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a tech guy, and I won't give up my Blackberry. I've had an iPhone, which I loved, but I cannot stand the touchscreen keyboard. I used a Driod 3 yesterday and I could not believe how COMPLICATED it was to send a picture via email.

I don't understand what people like about Droids. IMO they're pieces of junk.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By FreeTard on 8/5/2011 12:05:04 AM , Rating: 2
Complicated?

1. Take picture
2. Choose Share
3. Choose email

It is actually so easy I had to pull out my phone to double check where you were going wrong. Do you have a niece or grandkid that can help you out?

I guess it get's more complicated if you have to go into the gallery. Then it would probably be:

1. Choose Gallery app
2. Choose picture
3. Choose Share
4. Choose Gmail.

That's on the Evo and Asus Transformer.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 11:18:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How about 4" LED blah blah dual LED blah blah 1080p 2060456p 123456ppp blah blah 30fps 16GHz 4567MFLOPS blah blah dual quad triple mega shiznit blitz CoRe blah blah 234567GB RAM DRAM SRAM blah blah?
People don't buy stuff purely by specs, time to grow up kid :P

If new BBs keep up or pwn iPhone 4 (which is the case now) in web browsing and stuff like new social BBM - that's more than enough for a lot of people, especially in business world which is the RIM's stronghold.

And then in the thirld world countries where RIM is growing much faster tnan Apple the new BBs will be just an overkill for these people, expect some insane sales numbers in there.

The only place where RIM fails is a few specs obsessed Android licking "my phone geebees are fatter!!!" sort of kids like you and an army of iPhone users who won't give up their 1,000,000,000 of fart apps no matter what.

But this is not quite enough to sink RIM just yet.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By sigmatau on 8/3/2011 1:15:48 PM , Rating: 2
Please! BBs have been stuck in 2007 for a while now. They just got rid of their 2.5" screens and upgraded them to.... wait for it..... 2.8" screens. WOW!!!!

Oh, and please, please, PLEASE tell me why their UI sucks so much? I have had 3 BBs (currently with a BB Bold) and every single one of these POS lag like buggy beta hardware from the early 2000s. Navigating menues makes the phone lag!! My previous phone would lag when I installed themes on it. It would take 5 SECONDS to from the menu to the home screen.

Pirks, give it up. Your own statement is telling when you are looking towards 3rd world countries to give BB a boost.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 1:59:38 PM , Rating: 2
New Torch 9860 has 3.7" 480x800 touchscreen, you dumb idiot :)))

What? BB 7 UI sucks? You own BB 7 device? How come?

If you mean BB 6 - I don't care, these are 1 year old devices


RE: *crickets chirping*
By sigmatau on 8/3/2011 2:36:40 PM , Rating: 2
BB 7 UI will suck too. You know how I know? Because BB 4, 5, and 6 sucked super huge balls.

3.7" screens are so 2009. Try again.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 2:47:28 PM , Rating: 2
You remind me of a few idiots here who used to claim that Win 7 would suck because Vista sucked.

Good luck with your battery draining 4.3" monster, masturbate away on your bigger Android geebees while your battery lasts hehehe :))


RE: *crickets chirping*
By sigmatau on 8/3/2011 5:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
Right... I guess your phone is just the right size for your fisting fetish.

So my example is similar to your Window's example. You are a flaming idiot. Having 3+ failures of UIs like BB is surely similar to people not buying Vista because it required higher hardware specs. Right!!!!!

Whatever man, your BB ship has sunk. Wipe the semen off your face already.


RE: *crickets chirping*
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 7:19:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Having 3+ failures of UIs like BB
"3+ failures in UI" exist only in minds of a few frantic Android specs/geebees masturbators like yourself, the rest keeps enjoying their BBs and does not understand your obsession with geebees.

If these BBs were always a UI failure as you describe then RIM would have never grabbed this much market share. Hence you're just another dumb lying troll, nothing more.


By Titanius on 8/3/2011 9:12:41 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
It also significantly bumps the processor trading the slow 624 MHz Marvell Tavor PXA940 for an 1.2 GHz model from an undisclosed manufacturer.


Hmm, do your research; everyone knows that the "model from an undisclosed manufacturer" is the 1.2 GHz Snapdragon MSM8255 from Qualcomm.




By dani31 on 8/3/2011 9:28:47 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Hmm, do your research; everyone knows that the "model from an undisclosed manufacturer" is the 1.2 GHz Snapdragon MSM8255 from Qualcomm.


It's a Qualcomm 8655, not a 8255. LOL @ your reaserch.


By Titanius on 8/3/2011 10:08:40 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, you are right when it comes to the Bold 9930 and Torch 9850, but I'm right for the Bold 9900, Torch 9810 and Torch 9860.

MSM8255 = GSM
MSM8655 = CDMA


By voodoobunny on 8/3/2011 5:10:48 PM , Rating: 2
My wife is a devoted Blackberry addict, and for her and the many other people who don't want an iPhone or Android phone - who, say, want something that has a keyboard and that they're familiar with - this might be a killer. Still a Blackberry but dragged into the modern era. Now if they just bring it to Verizon (and, um, I wait a year until we can upgrade) ... RIM might just survive a little longer.




What they aren't saying...
By jskirwin on 8/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: What they aren't saying...
By kleinma on 8/3/2011 9:35:22 AM , Rating: 5
Are you trying to imply that iPhones are a good amount faster than Android phones? That isn't what I have seen in the wild.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Tony Swash on 8/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: What they aren't saying...
By themaster08 on 8/3/2011 10:40:38 AM , Rating: 2
Not for long when an onslaught of new Android devices are released.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Aikouka on 8/3/2011 11:25:08 AM , Rating: 2
Looking at it objectively, the only SoC being released/used this year that can beat the A5 GPU-wise is Tegra 3. We don't really know much about Tegra 3 at this point, so it's really up in the air. Although if any of the demos and PR spinning from nVidia are a good indication, it should perform well.

TI's OMAP 4470 should be in parity with it given the similarities between the PowerVR SGX 543MP2 and the PowerVR SGX 544MP2, but the 4470 won't be around until next year. Both can be found in quad configurations as well. TI's OMAP4 SoC have been announced as the "official SoC" of Android's next major revision, Ice Cream Sandwich. Although, OMAP4 also includes the 4430 (currently in use) and the 4460, which both use the PowerVR SGX 540.

CPU-wise, I think you're going to see the A9-based CPUs clocked a lot more aggressively in Android phones, which means they will probably win in that field. Although, some of the mobile tests seem to be testing software implementation (e.g. JavaScript) more so than raw CPU processing power.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 11:06:19 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
75% slower than Apple® based smartphones
I've seen a few videos where new BBs pwn iPhone 4 in web browsing speed, or in worst case perform with the same speed, so you may want to just shovel your lies back into your dirty hole where they came from, thank you.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By quiksilvr on 8/3/2011 11:33:36 AM , Rating: 2
Who is this? This can't be Pirks, Apple's lovechild.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 11:40:01 AM , Rating: 2
Is that all you got?


RE: What they aren't saying...
By B3an on 8/3/2011 1:07:59 PM , Rating: 1
You're weird Pirks. You used to say nothing but fanboy stuff for Apple. These days you often say the opposite... what happened? Were you just trolling or did you see the light?


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 1:49:35 PM , Rating: 2
Do you want me to lie if I see some new BB pwning, say, iPhone 4 in web browsing speed? I can lie about this but what's the point? For me stating the truth here is worth much more than my high rating. I always prefer to state bare truth backed by cold hard facts and get downrated for that. I love to see people upset here when I burst their bubbles. I'm quite like Tony Swash in that regard, he loves bursting bubbles too.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By sigmatau on 8/3/2011 1:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares? Browsing the internet on a 2.5" super low resolution screen is useless. I might as well dig up a big tube tv, hook it up to the internet via a video card dongle, and place my eyeball on the screen. That is about the experience I get when using my BB Bold to browse the internet.

It's about as useless as when I had web on my phone back in 2001.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 2:04:16 PM , Rating: 2
How about browsing Internet on a 3.7" 480x800 screen of a new Torch 9860? Eat this stupid troll :)))


RE: What they aren't saying...
By sigmatau on 8/3/2011 2:34:04 PM , Rating: 1
OK fag. You have a pathetic 3.7" screen. I have been enjoying a 4.3" screen for over a year.


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 2:40:31 PM , Rating: 1
Who cares about some Android sucker masturbating on inches and geebees, buying hardware on specs is so 2007


RE: What they aren't saying...
By sigmatau on 8/3/2011 6:03:46 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, your mind is like a circle jerk. You first bring up hardware specs, then you chastise someone for doing the same? LOL!!!


RE: What they aren't saying...
By Pirks on 8/3/2011 7:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
"Browsing the internet on a 2.5" super low resolution screen is useless" - this is your phrase, hence you brought up the hardware specs first. Caught ya lying again, troll :P


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