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Multi-touch trackpad.
ASUS' Eee PC 900 is gets laid out on the autopsy table.

ASUS turned more than a few heads with its original Eee PC 401. The $399 device came out of nowhere and stole the hearts of many computer enthusiasts (and non-enthusiasts). Over time, ASUS released models that slotted under and above the original 4G model and added more colorful options.

Earlier this month, details began to leak on the Eee PC 900. The Eee PC 900 features an 8.9", 1024x600 display (up from a 7", 800x480 display) along with more SSD storage space (8GB for Windows XP, 12GB for Xandros Linux).

It was later revealed that the slightly larger Eee PC 900 will support HDDs in the future along with Intel's Diamondville-based Intel Atom processor for increased battery life and performance in comparison to the existing Celeron-M. "In the near future, we also are trying to support one-day computing which would provide more than 8 hours. I think in May we might be closer to providing that," said ASUS CEO Jerry Shen.

Other options that will come to the Eee PC lineup in the future include WiMAX and HSDPA.

Today, however, we were all greeted with a wealth of new information (and pictures) on the new Eee PC 900. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) website is abuzz with a new entry detailing ASUS' latest and greatest. The FCC entry provides numerous pictures of the Eee PC 900 from the inside and the outside along with the device's user manual.

Perusing through the pictures and manuals, we learn that despite what ASUS' CEO previously mentioned, the power adapter used for the new Eee PC 900 is much larger than the original Eee PC 401. While not a deal-breaker for many people, it's something to take note of for travel purposes.

The internal photos also show that the Eee PC now has Bluetooth. This is a welcome addition for mobile warriors that use Bluetooth mice and don't want to carry around an addition Bluetooth dongle or RF dongle for traditional wireless mice.

Also new to the Eee PC 900 is what it calls "Multi-finger gesture input". This allows users to perform iPhone/iPod touch-esque gestures such as "pinching" to zoom in and out in applications.

If pricing holds firm at the previously reported $500 for the Eee PC 900, this could make quite a popular entry with consumers. Throw in the rumored touch screen and GPS and things could get really interesting.

Now if only ASUS could deliver on the original $199 promise...

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Good but... eh...
By MozeeToby on 3/26/2008 2:28:10 PM , Rating: 1
I look at this and say, "sweet, what an awsome machine for $500". Then I go over and check out what I can get in a dell vostro for $500. As much as I want to like the Eee, it's just too expensive for what you get performance wise.

RE: Good but... eh...
By Brandon Hill on 3/26/2008 2:30:13 PM , Rating: 5
Isn't this a bit like saying, why buy a Miata for $22,000 when I can have a MazdaSpeed3 for the same price?

Two totally different markets.

RE: Good but... eh...
By JoshuaBuss on 3/26/2008 2:50:00 PM , Rating: 4
I think your argument works the other way too..

it actually is quite a bit like saying that.. and once you say it like that, you realize just how impractical the miata purchase is so you get the mazdaspeed3..

at least that's what I think he was getting at.

i don't think most people ask themselves "hmm what kind of a market am i in".. they simply look at the products available around certain price points and compare the features.

RE: Good but... eh...
By Brandon Hill on 3/26/2008 2:57:47 PM , Rating: 5
Idunno. For me, it's all about picking the right tool for the job -- and doing it for a reasonable price. Lugging around a 6.5 pound notebook is not ideal [for me].

A two-pound notebook, however, is perfect for me when I'm on the go.

On the other hand, someone who wants a light, fun, wind in the hair, RWD, two-seater is not going to look at a 3,100-pound FWD hatchback that can't even be had with a sunroof.

RE: Good but... eh...
By ImSpartacus on 3/26/2008 3:10:04 PM , Rating: 2
Fair enough; it is all about needs.

RE: Good but... eh...
By semo on 3/26/2008 4:14:28 PM , Rating: 5
you mean 'wants'

RE: Good but... eh...
By ImSpartacus on 3/26/2008 3:05:54 PM , Rating: 5
I disagree. The EEE is an excellent ultra portable, it is getting too expensive. It has its market, but the standard laptop market and the ultramobile start to mix when price begins to match up.

I don't know too many people that would pay 500$ for an ultramobile like the EEE. Most people I know would go for a standard notebook at that price.

On the other hand, you can't get a standard notebook 300$. that is where the EEE shines.

RE: Good but... eh...
By Brandon Hill on 3/26/2008 4:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
The Eee PC did well at $400. What's another $100 between friend for a larger screen and more storage?

RE: Good but... eh...
By Vanilla Thunder on 3/26/2008 4:30:26 PM , Rating: 5
I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say that if this configuration of the EEE sells for $500, I will sell my soul to Scientology.


RE: Good but... eh...
By Brandon Hill on 3/26/2008 4:32:01 PM , Rating: 2

I'll be watching closely :)

RE: Good but... eh...
By Polynikes on 3/26/2008 11:54:41 PM , Rating: 3
Although he asked for it, I implore you to refrain from holding him to his promise. It would be despicable to wish that fate upon anyone.

RE: Good but... eh...
By RjBass on 3/28/2008 1:30:57 AM , Rating: 1

RE: Good but... eh...
By tastyratz on 3/27/2008 8:16:05 AM , Rating: 1
even still
look at the good ultra mobile platforms. The prices for them are astronomical. This isn't a mom n pop generic standard issue laptop. This is for a totally different market and for its intended audience it sold well because it was very competitive. People make it sound like it was anything but a resounding success.
I don't care if you can get a quad core sli raid laptop that will mow your lawn and brush your teeth for $100. Your not comparing miata's to mazdaspeed 3's. Your comparing SUV's to mopeds. If you don't have a need for an ultra compact mobile platform there's no reason you should even look at one and the sacrifices they come with.

RE: Good but... eh...
By xSauronx on 3/27/2008 11:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
I understand the idea, as its the same as the air: niche market.

But, while I like my T40, it is a bit much to carry for the light work I do. In the summer i expect to sell it and do one of two things:

buy a used/refurb T60 and just deal with it
buy an eee pc 9" and get a 17" or 19" LCD to use with it at home.

i expect to go for the latter, if the eee can stick to the $499 price point, but honestly, i dont expect it...look at what they were selling for just $399 :-/

By Gul Westfale on 3/26/2008 1:42:16 PM , Rating: 3
i've said it before, but here i'll say it again: these things are getting to expensive for what they are.

RE: $$$
By Lonyo on 3/26/2008 2:07:02 PM , Rating: 2
Well, they aren't getting expensive for what they are, but they are getting expensive.
Compared to 11" small notebooks that retail for $1500+ they are cheap, but you are right.

The Eee PC was supposed to be easy to use and most of all (I thought), inexpensive.
Sure, they aren't making it harder to use, but they didn't hit their original price point, and now they're doing all they can to move away from it with ever new announcement.
There doesn't seem to be any good news about the possibility of hitting the original price target, so it's all going a bit in the wrong direction compared with where we started.

RE: $$$
By Oregonian2 on 3/26/2008 4:52:08 PM , Rating: 2
Being cheap wasn't new. There are cheap laptops about. Difference is that it was a cheap ultra-portable laptop. Big difference. Just hope it doesn't grow in size to lose the whole point that's the combination of cheap, small, and light.

RE: $$$
By bobloadmire on 3/26/2008 2:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
i've said it before, but here i'll say it again: these things are getting to expensive for what they are.

people still buy the mac air, its about the same, and its at least 1800 bones.

RE: $$$
By Gul Westfale on 3/26/2008 10:34:09 PM , Rating: 2
apple customers= victims of "fashion" (if white plastic can be described as such) and marketing.

RE: $$$
By robinthakur on 3/28/2008 7:14:57 AM , Rating: 2
And...what colour plastic is the EEE pc made of? Its better to lead trends rather than follow them wouldn't you agree..

RE: $$$
By UppityMatt on 3/26/2008 3:13:04 PM , Rating: 2
They wont hit there price point until they have competition. Until then they can charge the higher price.

By Joz on 3/26/2008 1:49:48 PM , Rating: 1
couse at $299 a few months back thanks to clerence at BB, it is and still is a better deal then a crapy EEE.

Cloudbook>EEE btw.

Wish I had a working Microsoft Surface to play AOE and CaC on.

By Brandon Hill on 3/26/2008 1:52:46 PM , Rating: 4
All reports say that Cloudbook is pretty subpar:

At first glance the CloudBook is an impressive design with some innovative features and some reasonably impressive specs for the $400 price tag. However, upon closer examination it's clear that VIA and Everex had to make a number of sacrifices to bring this ultra-mobile notebook to the market for such a low price.

The low-capacity slow hard drive, and slow overall performance make the CloudBook a less than compelling purchase compared to the current generation Asus Eee PC 4G ... despite the much smaller storage space. The fact that the CloudBook cannot support the correct resolutions for widescreen external monitors is another problem for anyone who wants to connect this laptop to a larger screen. The issue of excessive heat build up inside the CloudBook is perhaps the most obvious "deal killer." Who wants to own a laptop that you can only use for 30-45 minutes when connected to the internet before you have to turn it off and let it cool down?

I do have to say the high-resolution scaling on the tiny screen and 30GB of storage space are very nice features, but these benefits pale in comparison to the other problems and limitations the CloudBook brings to the table. In short, I have a hard time recommending the current generation of the Everex CloudBook for any consumer. Given the strength of the Asus Eee PC and upcoming budget subnotebooks from other manufacturers, there simply isn't a compelling reason to purchase the CloudBook.

By mmntech on 3/26/2008 2:27:10 PM , Rating: 2
Well, gOS is certainly nothing to write home about. It just has an incomplete feel with it, especially due to it's heavy reliance on online applications. There are far better distros out there such as PCLinuxOS and Foresight.

I'm starting to warm up to the Eee PC now after initially disliking it. They seem to be aware of and are working to fix the original's issues. I really hope they dump that Celeron for the Atom Diamondville. The multitouch and Bluetooth are really nice additions. I also saw HDD support mentioned in the article, which is news to me. Throw in a 20gb or 40gb HDD and the system would be perfect. I'm certainly not going to trade in my iBook G4 for it. Even though it's three years old and was not top of the line to begin with, it still outperforms the Eee PC in every single way. I can put up with the added weight.

By bertomatic on 3/26/2008 5:21:02 PM , Rating: 2
Acer laptops suck. Everyone I have ever seen or supported had some kind of wierd issue. They also have a more than average amount of crapware preinstalled at the factory.

Would everyone please quit comparing a EEE with cheap regular laptops! The EEE's are ultra portable, not just portable.

A couple of years
By dagamer34 on 3/26/2008 2:28:21 PM , Rating: 2
So I'm guessing in a couple of years the Asus Eee PC will graduate from high school and be a full fledged laptop with a price to match. I will laugh then.

Seriously, the only way the Eee PC will truly distinguish itself as a competitor in the low-end market is if it stays ONLY in the low-end. Pick a price and stick to it, otherwise you'll see spec quickly escalate and cause the price to inflate. I really hope people don't forget that a cheap 15" Dell Inspiron can be had for $600-$700 with the right coupons and it does SOO much more.

RE: A couple of years
By fic2 on 3/26/2008 3:13:12 PM , Rating: 2
I have one of those cheap dell laptops (E1505) and am thinking about getting a EEE. I hate carrying my laptop when I travel because of it's weight. 99% of the time I use it as a desktop replacement and it stays chained to my desk.

RE: A couple of years
By bohhad on 3/28/2008 12:33:02 AM , Rating: 2
maybe it's because i only use my laptop infrequently, but i don't understand all this about a laptop being too heavy to be portable. have we all become so weak that 6 to 10 pounds is just entirely too much to carry around?

RE: A couple of years
By Bruneauinfo on 3/29/2008 11:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
well... when you're trying to not look like a satchel toting computer geek...

i'm a construction worker. i've tried two 17" widescreen laptops in my work truck. i'm in the field in my truck 8 to 12 hours a day. that big laptop is a royal pain when i have to get it out and put it back into its reserved and somewhat massive real estate-consuming "parking spot" in the back of my already crowded extended cab.

with the ASUS EEE i'll be able to stash it in my center console in the front, it will be easily fed with a 90 watt power inverter, and if i want to take it into a resteraunt for lunch i won't have to lug it - i'll tote it along. :P

trying to get a 17" lappy opened up when i'm sitting in the front seat is like trying to open a street map. its very cumbersome. plus that's not just lugging around 6 to 10 pounds you're talking about. you're also balancing 6 to 10 pounds on your knee while sitting in your truck, waiting in the airport for your plane, etc. it's 6 to 10 pounds you're holding during an impromptu presentation out on the job site, etc.

i don't want a big laptop. i don't even want a medium laptop. i could maybe get by with a small 12" screen laptop. but i'm pretty pumped with the prospect of a laptop that's just a smidgen larger than a DVD case. so i'll try the ASUS EEE.

Very Interested
By mixpix on 3/26/2008 2:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
I am an owner of a black Eee 4G with a 8GB SDHC card. I have owned and used notebooks and PDA/smart phones in the past and the Eee is exactly what I look for in a mobile device.

The EeePC is the sweet spot for people who want something in between a Smart Phone and a full-sized Notebook (aka portability and functionality). Really the only think it's missing is a CD-ROM, which I very rarely need, so an external works well.

This new update to the EeePC is exactly what's needed. ASUS has listened to the owners of the current generation and make the changes where they were needed. Most people who have used the Eee know the price is completely worth it. I have been very happy with my EeePC 4G.

The change to the screen-size was the biggest thing on my wish list. A larger screen with a good resolution for viewing web sites was a must. The addition of the Atom processor will be a great thing as well!

Off Topic - Personally I think gaming and high-end processing on a notebook has always been a lost cause. Even if you do get a high-end system it's out of date in a year and you can't upgrade the video card or processor. There is no way I'd spend $2000+ on something that has such a small life span.

RE: Very Interested
By semo on 3/26/2008 4:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
Off Topic - Personally I think gaming and high-end processing on a notebook has always been a lost cause. Even if you do get a high-end system it's out of date in a year and you can't upgrade the video card or processor. There is no way I'd spend $2000+ on something that has such a small life span.
they tried to fix that with an external graphics card (asus maybe?) but i think it was too expensive so it never took off.

you mentioned portability and functionality. at my college they use eees because a single teacher can carry all 20 (a class full) between rooms in a small suitcase and they mostly use them to show educational videos (don't need large screens for that particular purpose). i don't get the functionality bit... how do you type on that keyboard. maybe i'm just so used to full size

Upgrade now or wait?
By QuantumPion on 3/26/2008 3:49:20 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if I should ebay my 4g now and get this 900 when it comes out, or hold out for the next version with the atom processor?

RE: Upgrade now or wait?
By psychobriggsy on 3/26/2008 4:52:59 PM , Rating: 2
I think you'll still get a good price for the 4G, as supplies are still low. I'm holding out for at Atom based 8.9" though.

Larger battery
By Bigjee on 3/26/2008 3:17:50 PM , Rating: 2
the power adapter used for the new Eee PC 900 is much larger than the original Eee PC 401.

Why would they make a larger AC adapter? Is it cos the battery has been increased in capacity or is it cos of some regulation ?

By DeepBlue1975 on 3/26/2008 4:49:52 PM , Rating: 2
Guys, please stop comparing an EEE with a fully fledged laptop.

Mi wife bought a Compaq machine which is a great 17 incher with dual core processor, excelent resolution and 160gb hdd space amongst many other great stuff.
We take it on holidays and take advantage of the fact that we can use it in every single room of the house, just connected via wifi which is served by my dinosaur sized desktop...
All for $600, which is roughly what this EEE will cost.

But then again, I payed more than that for my Nokia N95-3 which is obviously much less efficient than her laptop, and even much less powerful than the least powerful EEE, but hey, I can't put the 17" laptop in my shirt's pocket, or can I?

If you are going to compare the EEE to anything in the market, it has to be an UMPC like the sony vaio TX (which costs quite a bit more) or the upcoming HP which surely will cost loads more than the EEE because of the rumored specs.

As for me, as soon as the diamondville version of the EEE gets out, I will be getting one (not because of power, but rather because it will heat a bit less and eat less power, while also performing better). And that laptop I plan to use to take notes on my german and portuguese classes while lively recording the teacher's pronnunciation, and to watch videos on the go, to write small docs here and there and to play old games which it will be able to run, and also to browse the net using my n95 as a 3g bluetooth modem in places I couldn't dream of taking my wife's 17" with me.

Lets name it like it is: the problem is not the price, but what you want to do with the machine, and most importantly, in which occasions will you be using it.

If you don't feel the need to have internet access / office documents almost everywere you go without the hassle of getting a big heft around, and you don't need to get really complex tasks done with it, then you're right, you don't need and EEE nor any other UMPC which, analyzed solely on a power/buck ratio, will always loose to fully fledged laptops.

The most weighting factor here is increased portability and ease to take it out almost everywere, which can't be said for 14" and bigger laptops, and if you talk about 10-12" inch ones, then you will need to pay so much more than what an EEE costs.

It's like saying "why buy a quad core CPU when a single core one gets the job equally well done for me?". When you need to ask yourself that kind of question, it is very clear, at least for me, that the product you are talking about is not right for you at all.

By jcordry on 3/27/2008 7:24:48 AM , Rating: 2
With their new laptop supporting Bluetooth the MoGo Mouse X54 is perfect wireless laptop mouse. This baby actually stores and charges in ExpressCard/54 slot when not in use. I bought one 2 months ago and love it, track-pads suck!

Throw in the battery shortage
By crystal clear on 3/27/2008 9:44:48 AM , Rating: 2
If pricing holds firm at the previously reported $500 for the Eee PC 900, this could make quite a popular entry with consumers.

Not in the short term...expect them to go up.

Read this-

The personal-computer industry was experiencing a shortage of laptop batteries partly because of a recent fire at a major supplier,

LG Chem is the second biggest South Korean battery maker. The fire contributed to a worldwide battery shortage that could affect up to 40 percent of second-quarter shipments at Asustek Computer - Taiwan's No. 2 PC maker, an Asustek executive told Reuters earlier on Tuesday

LG Chem competes in the notebook battery business with Samsung SDI (006400.KS: Quote, Profile, Research) and Japan's Sony Corp (SNE.N: Quote, Profile, Research) (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research), among others. LG Chem has said it expected the Ochang plant to start production again in two to three months.

Wow, look at that Apple inspired multitouch thingy :P
By Pirks on 3/26/08, Rating: -1
By Bigjee on 3/26/2008 5:47:36 PM , Rating: 2
Facts speak for themselves:

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By Yames on 3/27/2008 4:51:26 PM , Rating: 1
Pirks, you have a lot of built up anger. Maybe you should seek some professional help. I am sure the people around you would be thankful, that is if anyone hangs around with a personality like yours.

By Pirks on 3/27/2008 5:53:32 PM , Rating: 1
It's really hard to get angry after reading some idiotic postings here, they are SO funny :-) I'm just a guy who likes to get a laugh once in a while. DT forum is a wonderful place to have fun, and nobody seeks help when they have too much fun :-) So forget about it :P

By jconan on 3/26/2008 10:26:17 PM , Rating: 1
the maglock thing was borrowed from the japanese appliance companies? it's not an apple original, it's been around for decades before some apple guy thought they might adopt it
like they did with everything else from gui's to digital
audio players.

By icrf on 3/26/2008 10:38:33 PM , Rating: 2
You know Apple doesn't innovate. Pick any feature and someone will find prior art. They didn't invent the pinch zoom gesture, the iPhone was just the first popular product to have it. Moving that gesture to the touchpad is hardly an innovation.

What Apple is exceedingly good at is marketing. They either read the market direction well or are able to drive it with their image. They're so good at it that people feel more creative just seeing the Apple logo because Apples says they should be.

By icrf on 3/27/2008 7:41:40 AM , Rating: 2
I never said they don't often make a solid product. I was solely disputing the fact that they are innovators of product features.

Why are Apple products popular? In case you missed it that last time: Mar-ket-ing. For some reason, you consider that an insult. They're a company doing business and they've managed to build a very high quality image for themselves. The Steve is very good at generating RDF and getting the press to cover their products in an exciting light and advertise the hell out of them. This is a great skill they're unsurpassed in. It's not an insult. It's reality.

By Pirks on 3/27/2008 12:40:03 PM , Rating: 1
Nobody made monoblock "computer in your LCD panel" iMac-like computers before Apple. Innovation? Check.

Nobody made very small high-capacity MP3 player with click wheel and neat internet store integration before Apple. Innovation? Check.

Nobody made notebooks with backlit keyboards before Apple. Innovation? Check.

Nobody made magsafe power connectors in notebooks before Apple. Innovation? Check.

Nobody made smartphone with the web browser capable of multitouch finger control and displaying full version of web sites (not pocket pc optimized crap version) before Apple. Innovation? Check.

Nobody made pocket music/video player with the same multitouch finger control and same full-scale version of web browser before Apple. Innovation? Check.

Nobody before Apple tried to bend music recording companies real hard so that they decided to drop DRM (remember that famous Jobs's open letter?). Innovation? Check.

Nobody before Apple tried to bend cellphone carriers so that they actually listen to what cellphone manufacturer says (read iPhone history blogs to understand what I'm talking about). Innovation? Check.

Yeah, sure, it's all marketing and everything, but the key point that every single Wintel fanatic misses is that they actually have something unique to market, something nobody else has. Unlike army of cheapo PC clone makers marketing their Wintel boxes which look all the same.

By MDE on 3/28/2008 2:47:17 AM , Rating: 3
Apple has a history of seeing something in use and applying it elsewhere.

The GUI? Looked good at Xerox, let's do that too.

I've had a backlit keyboard on my Windows PC for years now. Google the Saitek Eclipse, it's been around almost forever.

How many people griped about the "fake" internet on their phones\PDAs? Apple just listened to potential customers here, good business sense.

iPod Touc- you mean iPhone minus the phone right? Nobody has removed features from one product, rebranded it and called it something else before, right? *cough* Celeron *cough*

Nobody has had the near stranglehold on the digital music market that Apple has, so I can't argue with Apple being first at that. But you've got to think that DRM-free music is cheaper for Apple to distribute. Not having to authorize computers and iPods constantly would save a lot of processing power and bandwidth.

All I saw Apple doing to AT&T was wedging a crowbar into their oversized wallet and taking a share of subscriber revenue. That's certainly NOT a precedent I want to see continue.

Apple fanatics just need to take their heads out of Jobs' Reality Distortion Field®.

<- Former iPod owner, current MacBook owner

By robinthakur on 3/28/2008 7:32:31 AM , Rating: 2
Please excuse Pirks, his attitude does not represent the majority of Apple users. I think its a little condescending to lay all of Apple's considerable success on solely Marketing. OS X is a wonderful solid OS and customer satisfaction is high amongst Mac owners, believe it or not. I don't know anyone who owns an iPhone who doesn't love it for example. All the marketing in the world can't convince people that they love a product if after they buy it they realise that they've been conned or the product is *all* marketing and no substance...

This is rare and rather than just being attributable to 'marketing' it results from Apple designing the way the devices interact with Humans to be slightly less jarring than their competitors. This is an intangible which few people seem to realise is important and even fewer get right but there's not much point having the best specs in an unwieldy and frustrating to operate device, no matter how much it costs. HTC and Windows Mobile users take note please (<> Former HTC TYTN user here) Apple integrates features such as the backlit keyboard into say, the Macbook pro so that they look less like gimmicks than they do on for example the Saitek Eclipse and more industrially designed. I'm sure that unlike Apple, MS windows licensed the Xerox graphical OS completely legally, but I digress.

You could say that Apple understand their customer base unusually well and listening to customers is to be commended. The iPod Touch was a master stroke because it took most of the interesting features of the iPhone (i.e. the touch bit) and stuck it on a cheapo device for people to try before they buy an iPhone. Their success is reflected in their share price, so the approach whatever it is, works. Agreed on the point re: AT&T though, its very annoying.

By icrf on 3/28/2008 10:07:41 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I didn't mean to stretch the marketing bit so hard. I was just trying to simplify it for Pirks. Apple does generally make solid products, with the user interface being the big polished hook. They can read the market well, which I was lumping in with marketing.

I'm always a little surprised when I see what people think Apple invented, especially when that feature ends up in something else and this new product "copied" but Apple "innovated." Too much RDF koolaid.

Oh, and Pirks, in case you missed the memo, Apple is now using Intel products, so the "wintel" deragatory may need a little work.

By Pirks on 3/28/2008 10:40:17 AM , Rating: 1
Learn to understand the difference between Wintel and Intel.

Apple's user interface being a hook, but it's just came all by itself, Apple didn't invent it, didn't innovate it. Apple GUI appears out of nowhere. Blah blah. Just another fanatic.


By Pirks on 3/28/2008 10:48:34 AM , Rating: 1
robinthakur, why are you so late? I have to battle Wintel fanboys all by myself. If you posted here faster and more often then I wouldn't be posting here so much. You're saying exactly what I'm saying but for some magical reason Wintel fanboys don't downrate you. Please post here more often.

Where have you been when yet another Wintel idiot teldar said the standard stupidity about "Apple hardware being twice the price"? If you replied to that moron on time I wouldn't be waging another war with fanboys here :)

By Pirks on 3/28/2008 10:34:45 AM , Rating: 1
Looked good at Xerox, let's do that too
Apple was the first to commercialize it. Commercializing something and making it a mass product is called INNOVATION. Apple innovated GUI first, then MS followed and cloned them, as usual.
Saitek Eclipse
Your attempt at replacing first NOTEBOOK with backlit keyboard with JUST THE KEYBOARD is no more than a lousy trick, easily noticeable. Again, PERSONALLY FOR YOU, who can't understand things quick: I WAS TALKING ABOUT _NOTEBOOK_ WITH BACKLIT KEYBOARD. Notebook, understand? NOT the separate keyboard. Apple was first with such a notebook, they innovated it and no tricks and shuffles can change that.

You can replace notebook with any other product for all you want, I don't care. What is REALLY impotant here is the fact that fanboys can't find first backlit keyboard NOTEBOOK made BEFORE Apple made it :P You are a live proof of that :-)
Apple just listened to potential customers here
Listening to what customers want and implementing it in a creative way is called innovation. News for ya, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to get some education.
This still doesn't change the fact that Apple was first with such a player. Again, no fanatical tricks, name changes and shuffles can change that. You fanboys can't find player which had characteristics similar to iPod Touch (multitouch control plus full-scale/non-pocket-pc style web browsing) and was made before it. But you just have to say something, no matter what the facts are. Keep renaming and shuffling, I don't care. Like I said what is important here is that you can't change the FACT that Apple was FIRST with their innovation.

Your shuffling and dancing around DRM also does not change anything. Apple again was FIRST to pressure studios to drop DRM, and MS again followed them with their pathetic Zune clones. Fanboys can't say anything substantial about the facts, they can only rename them. Whatever.
NOT a precedent I want to see continue

Yeah, sure, you don't wanna see any precedent of cell phone manufacturer selling what people wanna buy, not what cell operators are shoving down their throat. Whatever, this is your own problem, buddy :)

Wintel fanboys have to learn to appreciate facts and stop dancing around and renaming and babbling stupid things about these facts. If Apple was first - be a man, admit it, don't start your stupid dance "Look at my KEYBOARD, it was selling way BEFORE your NOTEBOOK!"

You don't realize that you look like an idiot when you're saying stuff like that?

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