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ASUS P5K3 Premium (Source: ASUS)

ASUS Perfect T-Tree Design (Source: ASUS)
ASUS' P5K3 packs 2GB DDR3 memory onboard

ASUS this week announced its latest P5K3 Premium motherboard based on Intel’s P35 Express chipset, but with a twist. The P5K3 Premium does away with traditional memory slots and integrates DDR3 memory onboard instead. ASUS packs the P5K3 Premium with 2GB of DDR3 1333 MHz memory, or what ASUS calls Turbo D3 Onboard Memory. The memory has latencies between CL7-to-CL10.

ASUS laid out 2GB of DDR3 memory in a dual-channel configuration for optimal performance. The onboard memory is also set up in what ASUS calls a perfect T-Tree design, where the memory controller has access to each pair of memory chips. ASUS claims the T-Tree design reduces clock cycle timing by 50% compared to traditional fly-by designs, which grants the memory controller access to each module.

ASUS guarantees memory overclocks above 1500 MHz, nearly matching the speeds of high-end overclocking memory. However, ASUS recommends at least a 1066 MHz front-side bus processor to achieve memory speeds above 1500 MHz.

Other notable features of the ASUS P5K3 Premium include support for upcoming Penryn-family processors and 1333 MHz front-side bus processors.  Expansion capabilities of the P5K3 Premium include two PCIe x16 with CrossFire compatibility, two PCIe x1 and 3 PCI slots. ASUS also installs a JMicron JMB363 controller for one ATA133 and two e.SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports, in addition to the six internal SATA3.0 Gb/s ports provided by the Intel ICH9R.

Analog Devices provides audio via eight-channel high-definition audio codec. Dual Gigabit LAN is also standard. A large copper heat-pipe cools the P35 Express, ICH9R, VRMs and DDR3 memory.

Expect to pay quite a chunk of change when the board hits retail in the coming weeks.


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By FITCamaro on 7/13/2007 2:16:06 PM , Rating: 3
What happens if I want more than 2GB of RAM?

What person who builds their own systems is going to buy a motherboard with a fixed amount of RAM? Especially for the kind of money this thing will command. With many people going to 4GB of RAM with Vista, this thing is already lacking behind. Especially when you consider the insanely cheap prices of RAM these days.

Sorry Asus, you fail. It's probably a great motherboard. But I want to be able to go to at least 8GB of RAM, not be stuck with two.




RE: Question
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/13/2007 2:19:07 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
What happens if I want more than 2GB of RAM?


ASUS P5K3 Premium 4GB Ultra!!!!!1111ONE


RE: Question
By FITCamaro on 7/13/2007 2:31:03 PM , Rating: 2
You guys have all the answers huh.

/end sarcasm

:)


RE: Question
By Procurion on 7/14/2007 9:17:52 AM , Rating: 2
I see this as mostly an OEM board or "build your wife/children a computer" board, also. Motherboard-CPU combo, anyone? Fry's would by these by the thousands. The truth, whether some have argued the point or not is that virtually every tech or IT oriented person will tell you that increasing RAM is the single most effective way to increase performance. What I think people are forgetting is that the industry-wide recognized sweet spot for Vista is 2GB so it would appear that ASUS is offering a board for the sweet spot. This cannot be considered an enthusiast board, and never will. Enthusiasts burn things up, lol. I set off the smoke alarm in my study last week whilst trying to find out exactly how hard I could push an old Intel875 board. Sh.t happens, and enthusiasts are going to avoid a board that doesn't offer them "replaceability". So it boils down to lack of choice as already pointed out, and cost. Those two factors determine the market for this board and I seriously doubt that ASUS will price this above $300, more probably in the $175-$250 range, eventually-if it ever hits the market in full strength.


RE: Question
By jonmcc33 on 7/14/2007 10:31:52 PM , Rating: 2
$300? Have you checked prices for DDR3-1333 memory? Cheapest I have seen is $400 for a pair. Add that to the premium P5K part of $200ish I'd say this will be a $599 MSRP product minimum.

The P5K doesn't have onboard video either so I don't look at it as a wife/child computer.


RE: Question
By Procurion on 7/15/2007 12:40:17 PM , Rating: 2
And there you have it! Who's memory? Who's chips? These aren't outside vendored, complete sticks. These are individual memory chips purchased for Asus' own purposes, not complete modules. You can bet that when Asus orders 2 million memory chips that they will be paying pennies on the dollar compared to the prices you stated. One of the reasons that memory has been so inflated in price was the collusion and artificial fixing. Do you seriously think that a memory stick for $300 is as complicated and costly as the $300 CPU sitting next to it?


RE: Question
By Micronite on 7/16/2007 1:24:18 PM , Rating: 3
I'm certain they're using Micron memory components (and not just because I'm Micronite).

There are a few points to make about this system:

- Eliminating the DIMM socket will improve signal integrity. One of the hardest things for engineers is to get the speeds they're interested in and still maintain signal integrity through the inductive load of the socket.

- Their T style routing should also help decrease latency. It won't really change accesses from the Northbridge to the DRAM, but since the full 64-bits of data from the DRAM is available earlier, the memory controller will be able to hand off the data from the DRAM domain to the FSB domain earlier. You may end up saving a FSB clock every so often.

- 2GB: While that's not entirely ideal for enthusiasts, I can see why they went that route. Consider that 4GB would probably push most people away from the platform because of cost. With 2GB, you hit the Vista sweet spot and make a stellar overclocking system. If you're after a super, stable overclock, this is your platform. They'll have quite a few takers.

- DRAM cost: True, a CPU is more complicated than memory, but consider that there is more silicon on your memory module than there is on your CPU. Price is more determined by sellable area/wafer than it is by R&D. And as you pointed out, people who buy in bulk will generally pay less than those who buy few, but "pennies on the dollar" is grossly exaggerated. Try “ Quarters on the dollar” and you’ll be a little closer to the truth. In this particular case, you should pay less for the board with memory than you will pay for the board and memory separately (assuming Asus doesn’t bloat the price).


RE: Question
By RamarC on 7/15/2007 4:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
an oem board for a $300 wife/child computer at fry's? that's totally whacked out. this part is aimed at boutique buyers/builders and will cost as much as a complete low-end e-machines sunday special. it might show up in a falcon, but not at frys.

asus doesn't make ram chips and they'll get no better deal on the market than any other memory vendor. ocz and patriot will order far more chips in a quarter than asus will for the entire run of this mobo.

and if you were a real enthusiast, you'd know that the current p5k lineup (with built-in ram) is already in the $175-$250 price range.


RE: Question
By miekedmr on 7/16/2007 8:50:17 AM , Rating: 2
OK, I'm an IT oriented person.
RAM upgrades are not "the single most effective way to increase performance."
Admittedly, in many cases, where outdated PCs are running newer (bloated) software, the swap file has to be used so this is true.
If they aren't running software which needs more RAM than is available, adding RAM is useless and will have no effect on performance at all.
...I've had to convince too many people that buying 4GB of ram will not make their games run faster since they aren't using that much memory.


RE: Question
By Procurion on 7/16/2007 10:38:20 AM , Rating: 2
With respect to the situation I intended the statement to be considered-average computer that is sluggish when the most recent game or multiple app's are open, yes, RAM is the most effective upgrade. I'd go paychecks against anyone who wants to argue that 90% of home computers have more than 512K of RAM in them-they don't and that's the truth. That was the frame of reference I was pointing to with the RAM upgrade remark. It seems like every application you load onto your computer wants to enable a background-resident updater, some sort of tracking software, or just plain runs in he background. This is not something that "enthusiasts" allow to happen but be realistic. An "average" computer user is just short of dangerous when sitting in front of a computer. Most people just click on "OK" when the setup program asks if they want it to install all of the additional software. It isn't hard to get 400K in committed just on background-take a look at the article on the 2GB barrier-it isn't hard. That's all I meant. The issue about whether it's an enthusiast board vs upgrade is a non-starter....if they can't produce it for the lower price, it is easier and more cost effective to go buy a $500 special, getting an entirely new computer.


RE: Question
By mcturkey on 7/18/2007 12:57:32 AM , Rating: 2
I take your challenge. 90% or more of home computers have more than 512K of RAM in them. To what address shall I send my Paypal information?


RE: Question
By AsicsNow on 7/20/2007 11:52:05 PM , Rating: 2
rofl. Yeah, this isnt 1980 ;)


RE: Question
By omnicronx on 7/13/07, Rating: -1
RE: Question
By IcY18 on 7/13/2007 2:37:47 PM , Rating: 4
Any motherboard costing over $200 is guaranteed to be an enthusiast motherboard in the desktop arena. This one most likely hitting the $400 range is definitely the enthusiast motherboard.

Anybody building their own system has the know how that they would want to upgrade their memory as it is most times the cheapest most effective way to speed up your computer. While this is a good idea to increase memory performance it fails in the fact that 4GB is on the rise for enthusiast size memory because of Vista. Because of any half way smart enthusiast would want to make sure the mobo has atleast some future proofing involved.

This idea may be a good one for performance, but will not appeal to people who build their own systems, and the price alone sets it in that arena.


RE: Question
By omnicronx on 7/13/2007 2:51:01 PM , Rating: 3
but in the case it can not be compared to say a 200-400 dollar part because the ram is integrated, and depending on the price of ddr3 memory and if asus say gives you the ram at cost or a little over to sell the motherboard, it could be a good solution.
Keep in mind i am only using the word 'could', i have no idea what asus has planned for this board or who it is going to be directed at, but my point was by looking at this article, you cant either.


RE: Question
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/13/2007 3:14:28 PM , Rating: 1
Yea I'm currently using 4GB of DDR2-800 ram. Will likely make it 8GB of ram in my next system, which should be sometime next year. Although I could do it on my current rig if I wanted to bad enough.


RE: Question
By Treckin on 7/13/2007 6:14:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hope u run a 64 bit os...


RE: Question
By thebrown13 on 7/13/07, Rating: -1
RE: Question
By Le Québécois on 7/13/2007 7:25:09 PM , Rating: 5
Some would also argue that you would be mentally handicapped to install Vista IF you are already running Windows XP 32bit and that every thing works perfectly fine for you.

But I'm not part of those person, I prefer to stay neutral ;).