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ASUS Eee Pad EP101TC
ASUS and Google Android are making sweet, sweet tablet love

In with the new, and out with the old, ASUS says.  The company is ditching Windows in at least one of its upcoming EeePC tablets and switching to the increasingly attractive Android OS from Google.

ASUS is preparing two tablets for launch -- a 10" display, 675g (1.5 lb) chassis model and a larger 12.1" display variant.  Both devices were demoed at Computex 2010.

The larger tablet used a full install of Windows 7 Home Premium -- that much remains unchanged, as of now.  The smaller tablet, though, was first shown off with a Windows Embedded Compact 7 operating system, which now appears to have been ditched in favor of Android.

The 10" Eee Pad 101TC is reportedly currently running Android 2.2 "Froyo", but will ship with "Gingerbread", also known as Android 3.0.  Android 3.0 is expected to land during the holiday season.  ASUS may even opt to wait till CES 2011 to announced the final production plans, according to some rumors.

For ASUS the upcoming tablet series is critical.  The company, which launched the netbook craze, has seen the torch stolen by Apple, as the market cools to netbooks and heats up to tablets.  Apple itself has been vocal in predicting the demise of the netbook movement.  However, if ASUS can craft a more functional, cheaper alternative to the iPad, it could well return to glory.

ASUS is not the only key player opting with Android over Windows -- Dell also is using Android for its tablets.  Meanwhile HP's tablets are expected to run on webOS from its recent acquisition Palm.  That means that the 12.1" Eee Pad EP121 may be an endangered species -- the only high-profile upcoming Windows tablet from a major manufacturer.  Despite that, Microsoft insists that it hasn't given up on tablets.



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Bummer.
By Smilin on 7/20/2010 10:34:08 AM , Rating: 3
I've been looking forward to their tablet devices for this fall. I'm only interested in Windows though.




RE: Bummer.
By StevoLincolnite on 7/20/2010 10:45:18 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah same, a Windows tablet would be awesome, the Windows-based tablets so far have been "Meh" at best, and the current offerings really don't catch my eye.
At the very least I would like to play StarCraft on it with the Touch Screen against the A.I. (I wouldn't verse another human opponent using Touch.)


RE: Bummer.
By afkrotch on 7/20/2010 10:30:10 PM , Rating: 2
Touch doesn't work all that well with games. You can't right-click without pressing, then holding down on the screen. Takes too long.

I've tried it on my HP TM2 tablet. Luckily, I have a digitizer pen with a button for right-click.


RE: Bummer.
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 11:03:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm only interested in Windows though.

Why? You don't exactly know what all it has to offer vs Windows yet. Granted, I don't know your every intention for the device, but I'm sure you can install a copy on it if you don't want Android.

It's my assumption that the overall pricing should be better with Android since there are no license fees/royalties (right?). Someone correct me if I am wrong, because I'm curious to know.


RE: Bummer.
By Aloonatic on 7/20/2010 11:20:39 AM , Rating: 3
Sorry, accidentally rated you down :-(

I am with you though. I'm guessing that for the vast majority of people, for what they will want a tablet running Android could well be what they want.

Not to say that a windows based table is a bad idea and of no use of course, but it seems strange to rule anything but a Windows table out so categorically, before it or any competition other than the iPad really exists.

I also find it amusing that a comment where someone basically says that they will only ever use Windows gets rated up on a site who's users constantly attack Apple sheep who will only buy anything that Apple makes. :-D


RE: Bummer.
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 11:29:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sorry, accidentally rated you down :-(

HAHA! You were so used to clicking "not worth reading" under my posts from previous articles I guess :)

quote:
I also find it amusing ... on a site who's users constantly attack Apple sheep who will only buy anything that Apple makes. :-D

I agree. It does sound rather geezer-like to be so resistive to something new/change. Especially when we have such little information on it. I am nonetheless excited about this! ASUS has always been a top-notch company for me and just might get my first ever tablet purchase. Tucking a tablet away in my bag seems much better than lugging around a half ton gaming laptop lol.


RE: Bummer.
By afkrotch on 7/20/2010 10:44:41 PM , Rating: 2
Some ppl aren't resistive to change. It's that Windows simply allows more. Majority of programs out there work on Windows. I'm sure Android is going to work for majority of users out there, who want nothing more than to surf the web and watch youtube videos.

I can almost guarantee you that the Android based tablets won't be playing avi, wmv, ogm, mkv, mpeg, mp4, m2t, etc.


RE: Bummer.
By xRyanCat on 7/21/2010 2:29:50 PM , Rating: 2
It's up the the manufacturer to license the appropriate codecs from the various consortiums(mainly MPEG-LA). Dell already provides mp3, and encrypted DVD playback on all PCs that ship with Ubuntu.

Google won't ever include patent-encumbered codecs in the code of Android because that goes directly against the principles of open source software. However it's a relatively trivial matter for the makers of these tablets to include it. And even if they don't, installing the playback function yourself couldn't be more simple. In fact, if you play a file in vanilla installation of Ubuntu it automatically detects and downloads the appropriate codecs for you. Try that with Windows.


RE: Bummer.
By StevoLincolnite on 7/20/2010 11:21:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why? You don't exactly know what all it has to offer vs Windows yet.


Er... Considering the last 15+ years of Windows software development verses a few years for Android... Pretty sure from an application stand point, Windows would probably have more available.

quote:
Granted, I don't know your every intention for the device, but I'm sure you can install a copy on it if you don't want Android.


The Article doesn't exactly state what processor architecture this tablet uses, so I'll go out on a limb and say that because the Operating system is a mobile derivative, that the processor in use would probably be Arm based. - That means no Windows.


RE: Bummer.
By bupkus on 7/20/2010 11:56:21 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
the processor in use would probably be Arm based. - That means no Windows.
So Windows Mobile 7 will only run on X86 or AMD64?


RE: Bummer.
By StevoLincolnite on 7/20/2010 1:27:43 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So Windows Mobile 7 will only run on X86 or AMD64?


I said "Arm" not "AMD".

x86 and AMD 64 are pretty much the same subset, with AMD 64 being a superset of x86.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

Arm is completely different, and Intel hasn't given Arm the x86 license, so we probably won't get any designs which are x86 compatible from them any time soon.


RE: Bummer.
By roadhog1974 on 7/20/2010 7:30:32 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone 7 runs only on ARM.

x86 is crud,

there is no reason on gods green earth it
makes good sense to run x86 instructions
natively on ARM chips.

I will bet there is a windows version in the bowels
of MS that is complied to run on an ARM derivative chip.


RE: Bummer.
By Smilin on 7/20/2010 11:23:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why? You don't exactly know what all it has to offer vs Windows yet.


I can make some educated guesses. In addition to the usual email, surfing and whatnot there are a few specific tasks that come to mind.

One is Microsoft OneNote. I want a "kitchen counter" kind of device I can do quick edits to my notebook that's shared across every device I touch.

The other is RDP. Perhaps android will have a decent RDP client but I KNOW windows does.

I've also got a few Steam games in mind for the device and I've not heard of steam supporting android yet.

Really though it's kind of a hard question to answer just because Windows has so much going for it that it's hard to know where to start.

I've got no objection to Android but I'll honestly say I don't know what it really gets me. So fair question: Why Android?


RE: Bummer.
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 11:31:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So fair question: Why Android?

Because Droid does. :D


RE: Bummer.
By Smilin on 7/20/2010 1:36:48 PM , Rating: 1
Does what?


RE: Bummer.
By dayanth on 7/20/2010 9:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
Gets you Lance Lance Henriksen to be the computer's voice on your phone. Just whatever you do,don't get the app that tells you how to play that knife game between your fingers...


RE: Bummer.
By dark matter on 7/20/2010 1:13:33 PM , Rating: 2
Blame Microsoft for not realising Office on Droid, not droid for not having Office....

This is a perfect example of why Microsoft SHOULD have been broken into the OS and the Applications division back in 2000.


RE: Bummer.
By Smilin on 7/20/2010 1:26:03 PM , Rating: 1
Ok I'll do that /eyeroll.


RE: Bummer.
By inighthawki on 7/20/2010 6:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody's blaming Droid for not having Office, the OP was just stating that one of the two solutions did fit their need, and one did not. Why the hate just for saying that Windows suited their needs, but Android did not?


RE: Bummer.
By xpax on 7/20/10, Rating: 0
RE: Bummer.
By dark matter on 7/20/2010 1:14:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure there is a massive market for software developers looking to use a touch screen to key in their programs....

Because, a non tactile touch screen is so much easier that a keyboard to use....


RE: Bummer.
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2010 2:40:26 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Why? You don't exactly know what all it has to offer vs Windows yet. Granted, I don't know your every intention for the device, but I'm sure you can install a copy on it if you don't want Android.


Are you an idiot with this question? If it's not running Windows, it won't include the built in open compatibility with ALL OF OUR SOFTWARE that we want the device to run. That's a total dealbreaker for a ton of people, including me.

I'm not crazy about tablets personally, but I have an idea of what I would do if I had one. And without Windows...forget it.


RE: Bummer.
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 3:59:16 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Granted, I don't know your every intention for the device , but I'm sure you can install a copy on it if you don't want Android .

I'm thinking that maybe YOU are the idiot without any reading comprehension skills at all. Also, you should realize the real reasons tablets exist. They ARE NOT intended to be database managing, photoshoping, and game design workhorses. Not in my idea anyways;

See my list below for what I think a tablets main advantages are.


RE: Bummer.
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/10, Rating: 0
RE: Bummer.
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 4:29:16 PM , Rating: 3
You are a very angry and spastic individual lol, get a grip.

I'm about 99% positive that Android can do all the things you just mentioned in some way or another.

quote:
But we're all still wrong.

Quote me on where I said that, Please.

quote:
And the fact that you actually believe there will be a way to install Windows on a locked down tablet is SO telling of your ignorance on these issues.

RTFA. I'm sure the two tables are almost identical, and one has already been swapped out from Windows to Android.

You really need a few lessons in proper etiquette.


RE: Bummer.
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2010 5:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
No No No. Of course it can do those things, that's not my point. It needs to run specific apps, or I'm not interested. Tablets aren't necessary. Nobody "needs" one. So I'm perfectly content to wait until a real winner Windows based tablet comes along. That runs all the software I know and love and is 100% compatible with my laptop and PC.

quote:
Quote me on where I said that, Please.


By arguing with me you ARE saying that. And trying to claim that all we need Windows for is "workhorse" related activities was a deliberate attempt to enforce that opinion. That we don't really "need" Windows on a tablet. Well you know what? It's not up to you what we need a tablet to run, that's our business.

And you know, some idiot who seriously argued Creationism shouldn't be telling others to "get a grip" about ANYTHING.


RE: Bummer.
By afkrotch on 7/20/2010 10:55:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They ARE NOT intended to be database managing, photoshoping, and game design workhorses. Not in my idea anyways;


Well, don't think you're the one developing these tablets, so really. Everything you happen to be saying a tablet is for is moot.

Luckily enough, I've got my HP TM2T tablet with Windows 7 Pro installed. Office installed on it too. Guess what else? Photoshop and even games.


RE: Bummer.
By noirsoft on 7/20/2010 3:02:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why? You don't exactly know what all it has to offer vs Windows yet.


What I want from a tablet is what I want from a laptop. Running the exact same applications as my desktop with 100% guaranteed file compatibility in those apps (hence the need to run the same apps)

And not just me. That's what people want. You can sing the joy of crippled "apps" all you want, but once all the pieces come together to run a full desktop OS on a tablet (this includes a proper touch paradigm and good battery life) none of the "lite" OS tablets (Android, iPad) wil be worth anything more than the original Linux-based netbooks (i.e. nothing).

I personally feel that Win7 and a decent dual-core atom+ion level of tech gets it close enough for me. Others will disagree, certainly, but we are very close.


RE: Bummer.
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 4:04:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
once all the pieces come together to run a full desktop OS on a tablet (this includes a proper touch paradigm and good battery life) none of the "lite" OS tablets (Android, iPad) wil be worth anything more than the original Linux-based netbooks (i.e. nothing).

I can agree with that. But for the time being, we have these lite operating systems because the processing to battery life ratio is very bleak.

It may be 10 years before an advancement in code and hardware will allow us to literally carry high performance PC in our pocket.

I agree with you though, the lite OS's just don't cut it with some things, but for now they do have a very important place in the market.


RE: Bummer.
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2010 4:32:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I want from a tablet is what I want from a laptop. Running the exact same applications as my desktop with 100% guaranteed file compatibility in those apps (hence the need to run the same apps)


EXACTLY!

Hey Asus, just because Apple can get away with selling a "tablet" that's a glorified cellphone without the phone part, doesn't mean you can throw a phone OS in a tablet and have a hit.

This is a bad move. This tablet will fail.


RE: Bummer.
By clovell on 7/20/2010 11:06:56 AM , Rating: 1
Meh - Bummer that it's an Android for me... Ever since my last Asus Mobo flat-out lied about its vDIMM max on Asus's website, and in its documentation - and then once it was exposed on its forums, only silently changed its documentation and left the owners high & dry - I've left them alone.

True, YMMV, but for me, it was a huge ordeal that has cost them a customer.


RE: Bummer.
By clovell on 7/20/2010 11:08:13 AM , Rating: 2
And... I have not had my coffee - should've said ASUS up there. I'd actually be very interested in trying out an Android tablet.


RE: Bummer.
By clovell on 7/20/2010 2:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
How is it not worth reading about a manufacturer lying about its product specs, eh? Would someone please enlighten me?


RE: Bummer.
By teohhanhui on 7/20/2010 3:24:56 PM , Rating: 2
Because it's largely unrelated? I'm just glad that it's not Acer. At least ASUS is generally known for good quality products.


RE: Bummer.
By Old Man Dotes on 7/20/2010 11:26:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm only interested in Windows though.

Afraid to try something that's not tied to Big Brother? Or unaware that most Windows apps will run quite well on Linux? Personally, I have run World of Warcraft on Ubuntu and it rocks. (I'm at work right now, so of course I have to be on Windows. I don't get to make those decisions - yet.)


RE: Bummer.
By Smilin on 7/20/2010 1:35:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Afraid to try something that's not tied to Big Brother?


No, not afraid. Why does something bad happen that I should be afraid of? Besides I think Google is a bit more of a big brother than MSFT ever was.

quote:
Or unaware that most Windows apps will run quite well on Linux?


Does "Quite well" mean without an emulator or VM?

quote:
Personally, I have run World of Warcraft on Ubuntu and it rocks.
Rocks even more on windows since you don't have to fuss with anything.

Sorry but VMs, WINE, whatever just don't appeal much to me. It's all well and good that you *can* get things to run but with windows you don't have to "get things to run". They just run. Why would I want the extra hassle just to achieve the same (hopefully) result?


RE: Bummer.
By ZachDontScare on 7/20/2010 2:38:53 PM , Rating: 2
Same here... mostly interested in Windows. Largely to run 'legacy' apps that I need. At least the larger one will still be running it, for now.

I have noticed on ebay there's a lot of 10 inch slate/tablets coming from china that run Win7 (well, a trial version of win). If they get a little cheaper, I might risk one.


Usage model
By Lonyo on 7/20/2010 11:00:46 AM , Rating: 3
It all depends on what you plan to use your tablet for.
The fact that the iPad has been successful (apart from the fact that it's made by Apple) shows that general consumers don't always care about being able to do "regular" computer on a tablet (although arguably it is a little too early to talk about general usage situations for tablets like the iPad).

Not everyone needs the power and functionality of a (Windows) desktop environment, if they are just using it as a consumer electronics device instead of a "computing" device.
For these situations, something like iOS or Android or WebOS makes sense.
If you're the sort of person looking for a computer tablet, rather than a consumer electronics tablet, then you're going to want something more "proper" like a desktop derived flavour of Linux, or Windows. These tablets aren't aimed at that target market (which is more made up of tech enthusiasts, the sort of people who come to websites like this and make posts about wanting Windows/etc tablets).




RE: Usage model
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 11:08:37 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. I really don't see the cost/performance justified in having a fully featured copy of windows on a tablet. It seems cumbersome and irritating at best.

I was under the impression that a tablet was perfect for:
1. Email (major factor)
2. Reading news/social networking
3. Quick chat/IM
4. Mild gaming device

I know I left out others, but Android seem much better suited than a full out copy of Windows/Linux/whatever.


RE: Usage model
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 11:15:58 AM , Rating: 2
5. Insanely good battery life
6. Tuck and go thanks to thin sizes (no hinges, clam-shells)


RE: Usage model
By dark matter on 7/20/2010 1:21:05 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely.

I don't want to loaf around on the coach with a full computer, developing software like some people claim. I mean, its hard enough to get a text right on a touch screen without the additional full stop of comma where your finger has slipped. Developing code that has to be syntactically perfect on a touch screen is nuts.

I want a long battery life. I want to be free, not tied up with a cable plugged into the wall because I am running a full OS.

I just want to browse the web, play a few stupid games, send some emails, manage my contacts, consult my diary, make a few notes, go on fb, watch a few you tube clips, and enter a few rage filled comments on sites like this. All whilst loafing about on the couch.

I don't want to sit there and develop software on it, nor do I want to use photoshop on it, or do video editing on it, I could not care less about those things. I already have them, and on a dedicated machine. Which, once these become mainstream, will be unceremoniously be booted out of my living room and into its own office and used purely as a productivity machine thereon in.



RE: Usage model
By damianrobertjones on 7/20/2010 1:45:33 PM , Rating: 2
Then buy a HP TC1100 and install Ubuntu or Ubuntu Netbook.

Done.

Probably save you a few $$ as well


RE: Usage model
By Suntan on 7/20/2010 3:41:58 PM , Rating: 2
There are other usages I personally would hold out for, namely:

- Netflix On Demand with no hassle (if/when Android gets this it will be a big equalizer)
- Hulu (again, android running this with no hassle will be good)
- Ability to run Adobe Bridge (basically to be able to open, view and tag raw format images while travelling. Namely, Nikon .NEF files) preferably with a USB port or at least an SD card slot.

Unless I am mistaken, Windows is the only beast that does all these things. If Andriod (or preferably WebOS) can have these functions, then I’d be ok with them on a tablet. But as it stands, Windows is still the one that does all the things I’d want it to do.

It’s not about holding on to the old dinosaur OS. It’s about wanting it to do more things than just being a web surfing paperweight.

-Suntan


RE: Usage model
By Quadrillity on 7/20/2010 4:15:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Unless I am mistaken, Windows is the only beast that does all these things.

You have to take into account the reason the existence of Android is for the ability to create those programs/compatibilities if the need is there.

Whether it meets your personal needs in the long run still can't take away from how diverse and adaptive the open source system is.
quote:
It’s about wanting it to do more things than just being a web surfing paperweight.

I agree. The model is still very young, and IMHO will spread like wildfire soon especially with all of the interest in cellphones alone. Lets keep an eye on it and see where it goes.


RE: Usage model
By Suntan on 7/21/2010 4:56:41 PM , Rating: 2
No offense, but I don’t really care about how diverse and adaptive it is. I care about the ability to run the applications and tasks that I want to run on it.

Like I said, if a gadget/OS can run the things I want to run, it will get looked at. If it can’t, I really don’t care about it.

You feel free to “embrace the experience,” I’ll choose to use the product.

-Suntan


RE: Usage model
By JonB on 7/20/2010 2:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
My Acer AspireOne netbook with Linux and a SSD is exactly what you are talking about. I don't need "regular" applications; I just want to sit on the couch and surf and be able to open attachments and pictures and watch video.
(That is the iPad's market model but I already own the Acer)

I've seen where users have put Android on their AspireOnes but haven't tried it yet. It could be a good upgrade.


Ditching Windows Embedded Compact 7
By nafhan on 7/20/2010 11:11:41 AM , Rating: 2
It sounds like they are only ditching Windows Embedded Compact 7 not Windows in general.
An understandable move as WEC7 is based on Win CE, and it's not going to be a full featured OS. It'll be akin to Windows Phone 7, and therefore pretty similar to Andriod, iOS, webOS, etc. On top of that, Android has been on the market for a while and has a dedicated userbase and developer following. We're not really losing anything except (possibly) some competition for Android devices.
Again, it sounds like true Windows 7 based products may not be affected.




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