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AMD reveals the model names and operating frequencies of its quad-core Phenom desktop processors

AMD guidance revealed to DailyTech the model names and clock frequencies of its forthcoming quad-core Phenom desktop processors.

AMD plans to debut its initial quad-core Phenom processors in late November: the Phenom 9600 and 9500. The 9600 will come clocked at 2.4GHz and the 9500 will have a slightly lower operating frequency of 2.2GHz.

Both Socket AM2+ processors feature a 512KB of L2 cache for each core and a shared 2MB pool of L3 cache. In addition, both processors will operate on a 3.6GHz HyperTransport bus and will have an 89 Watt Thermal Design Power envelope. 

In December the slightly higher-end Phenom 9700 will become AMD's third desktop Barcelona-derivative. All technical aspects of the processor will be the same as those for the 9600 and 9500, save for a few improvements. The processor will run at a slightly higher operating frequency of 2.6GHz. The downside of these improvements is a higher 125-Watt Thermal Design Power envelope.

An additional Phenom 9xxx desktop processor is on the horizon and is expected to make its debut in Q2 2008. Although the official clock speed has not been set for this new processor, AMD guidance suggests that it will not exceed 3GHz.  The company has demonstrated its 3GHz Phenom processors since July 2007.

Whereas Intel usually releases its high-end chips first, AMD seems to have a completely reverse policy. AMD will be launching its high-end Phenom desktop processors after the initial launch of lower-end Phenom desktop models.  AMD's high-end Phenom FX chips will appear on the market in Q1 and Q2 of 2008.

In Q1 2008 the Phenom FX-82 will be the first Phenom FX chip to make its debut. The chip will feature a clock speed equal to or greater than 2.6GHz . Like all of the other Phenom models, it will also come with 512KB of L2 cache for each of its four cores and a shared 2MB L3 cache. The Thermal Design Power of the chip is yet to be decided.

An additional Phenom FX-8x model will make its way to market in Q2 2008. AMD has yet to release additional details of this new processor.

All quad-core Phenom desktop processor are manufactured on a 65nm node.

This week AMD announced additonal price cuts and new chips for its Athlon brand of processors. These are expected to be the last Athlon price cuts before the Phenom launch.

In September AMD launched its newest Opteron server processors. The company has also confirmed that it's next-generation graphics processor, RV670, and its next-generation desktop chipset, RD790, will launch at the same time as Phenom.


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Will wait for a stepping or two.
By DesertCat on 10/15/2007 12:06:42 PM , Rating: 3
As someone who bought an AM2 board with hopes of upgrading at some point, I still figure I'll wait for this to sort itself out. This is for a variety of reasons

1) I need to see how these processors actually perform on an AM2 board as opposed to the AM2+ boards with higher hypertransport speeds. I mostly hear that it shouldn't make that much difference since we aren't close to saturating HT2. I want to see the benchmarks.

2) With time and additional steppings, I imagine these processors will become more affordable 3-6 months after their release. Most things seem to suggest that they had to spin a new stepping to get to the highest clocks. Another stepping may allow them to get more speed still. The net effect is that the fastest Phenoms at release may just become mid-high parts after a stepping allows them to raise the speeds. This will also tend to drive prices down on 2.6 GHz part since it will no longer be a flagship part (especially after the FX processors come out).




RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 10/15/2007 12:12:27 PM , Rating: 2
Well the funny thing is even with the B2 stepping, there's no 3.0 ghz chips -- even though the company has been showing off 3.0 ghz chips for months.

I have no idea what kind of PR move that is.


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By Kuroyama on 10/15/2007 2:54:01 PM , Rating: 2
Well, it's a bit of an extreme case, but I recall back in 2002 when Intel showed Anandtech a 10GHz air cooled 32bit ALU. I'm sure both cases are just cherry picking a few good procs off the assembly line:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1584&p=5


By deeznuts on 10/15/2007 2:59:03 PM , Rating: 3
That was a tech demo, of just one part of a CPU. I believe he was referencing AMD showing off machines built with a 3ghz chip.


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By defter on 10/15/2007 3:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
They still managed to ship a CPU with 64bit ALUs running at 7.6GHz...


By crystal clear on 10/15/2007 4:13:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I have no idea what kind of PR move that is.


Its not PR rather plain marketing stratergy-anyway at the high end level they nothing worth the match to compete with Intel.

Intel Preps 45nm Quad-core Desktop Launch
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9070

Do they have a marketing manager to formulate/direct/implement their marketing statergies ???

AMD prefers to concentrate on the low end market because thats what is left for them to operate in.

Even in mainstream markets-low prices & low profit margins plays havoc with AMD.

AMD is responding to market feedbacks from dealers/resellers etc that guide its product launch statergy & prices.


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By softwiz on 10/15/2007 12:15:33 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
As someone who bought an AM2 board with hopes of upgrading at some point, I still figure I'll wait for this to sort itself out.


You got plenty of time, no rush. It's not like AMD is going to abdandon / discontinue AM2 anytime soon such as when AM4 socket comes out leaving you to choose between AM3 / AM4. At least, I don't think they will. ;) (kidding)


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By NARC4457 on 10/15/2007 12:47:14 PM , Rating: 5
Right, because they didn't do that at all with the 939 socket.

/Bitter


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By Gul Westfale on 10/15/2007 1:23:18 PM , Rating: 1
yeah i'm on a 939, too... where are my phenoms, AMD?

on another note, doesn't it seem a bit strange that they are already at 89W and 125W with these chips, even though they are now using a more forgiving method of rating power consumption and even though these are new models?


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By Locutus465 on 10/15/2007 1:48:01 PM , Rating: 4
Apparently S939 Opterons (still in the channel) are drop in replacements for Athlon 64X2s... So we're not completely abandond.... We S939 owners are just forced to live in the broom cubord and fight for scraps :P


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By dgingeri on 10/15/2007 3:02:09 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apparently S939 Opterons (still in the channel) are drop in replacements for Athlon 64X2s... So we're not completely abandond.... We S939 owners are just forced to live in the broom cubord and fight for scraps :P


The Opterons only go up to 2.6Ghz. I had one. The AM2 chips currently go all the way to 3.2Ghz. I have one of those now. (my socket 939 board failed. I have 2GB of DDR400 and an Opteron 185 sitting around doing nothing right now.) The performance difference is very noticeable. Socket 939 is now totally obsolete.


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By teldar on 10/15/2007 4:40:22 PM , Rating: 3
Are you looking to unload those obsolete parts at any time in the near future?

T


By Griswold on 10/15/2007 2:00:07 PM , Rating: 2
Think for a second.

If the 125W figure was following this new Intel compatible power scheme, it would not be called TDP but ACP (Average CPU Power).


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By Einy0 on 10/15/2007 6:38:40 PM , Rating: 4
Actually AMD rates their chips TDP on absolute Maximum value at peak load. Not on an average like Intel does. So it's TDP ratings are far more strict.


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By JumpingJack on 10/15/2007 10:02:06 PM , Rating: 1
Not true... read the specs....


By raven3x7 on 10/21/2007 4:43:42 PM , Rating: 2
Im not going to link it now but if you look up AMDs thermal guidance PDF it is stated that its max theoretical TDP.


By MikeyJ79 on 10/15/2007 7:34:29 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
on another note, doesn't it seem a bit strange that they are already at 89W and 125W with these chips, even though they are now using a more forgiving method of rating power consumption and even though these are new models?


Don't forget that these are quad-core chips which are fitting into the same thermal envelope as many of the 90nm dual-core chips.


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By deeznuts on 10/15/2007 3:00:35 PM , Rating: 3
Even though I know it was planned abandonment, Socket 754 wasn't all that long either, was it?


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By darkpaw on 10/15/2007 3:26:43 PM , Rating: 4
754 was around quite a bit longer as far as I remember. From the start of the Athlon 64s until even after the 939 was killed.


RE: Will wait for a stepping or two.
By Gul Westfale on 10/15/2007 4:20:22 PM , Rating: 3
yeah, because they made S754 semp0rns for quite a while.