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AMD puts second-generation "Stars" plans on its roadmap, now with more celestial names

AMD’s latest roadmap outlines plans for second-generation Stars quad, dual and single-core processors. Five second-generation Stars processors are in the pipeline for 2H’2008. The five variants include quad-core Deneb FX and Deneb, dual-core Propus and Regor, and single-core Sargas. The new processors drop into new Socket AM3 and AM2+ motherboards for backwards compatibility.

All second-generation Stars processors have new memory controllers with DDR3 and DDR2 memory compatibility. Taking advantage of DDR3 memory requires the use of a Socket AM3 motherboard. Socket AM2+ users can upgrade to second-generation Stars processors with a memory bandwidth penalty.

Second-generation Stars processors introduce AMD’s 45nm fabrication process. AMD plans to make a quick move to 45nm. The entire product lineup will move to 45nm within 2H’2008, unlike the move to 65nm, which began Q4’2006 and is still in process.

Succeeding Agena FX and Agena processors are the Deneb FX and Deneb cores. AMD has not set any specific details such as cache configuration or HyperTransport speeds yet. However, Deneb FX and Deneb processors will carry on with shared L3 caches and HyperTransport 3.0. AMD will offer Deneb FX in Socket AM2+/AM3 and land-grid array 1207+ socket configurations. Expect Deneb FX and Deneb cores to carry the Phenom FX and Phenom X4 names.

AMD’s Propus replaces Kuma in 2H’2008. Propus shares the same feature set as Kuma such as HyperTransport 3.0 and shared L3, however, specific cache sizes are unset. Expect Propus to continue with the Phenom X2 brand.

The AMD Athlon X2 Rana processor will have a short life span. AMD expects to debut the 65nm entry-level dual-core processor in 1H’2008 and replace it in 2H’2008 with Regor. Spica will face the same fate as Rana.

The single-core Spica has a half-year life cycle before Sargas in 2H’2008 replaces it. Expect Regor to carry the Athlon X2 name while Sargas carries the Sempron name. Features of the value AMD processors should be no different from its predecessors, with the exception of DDR3 memory support.


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Show something
By Regs on 7/2/2007 4:51:00 PM , Rating: 3
*picks up phone and calls mom who spent thousands of dollars over a long time on raising me to the guy I am today*

Hi Mom! I have a baby now. I named my son Star and no you cannot see him.




RE: Show something
By TSS on 7/2/2007 5:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
lets see barcelona before we see deneb.

well, guess we know now what AMD wants to pit against nehalem. lets hope its enough because if the performance lacks too much, in combination with the move to 45nm which should be costly.... AMD might not have hit their roughest weather yet...

on the other hand, it might be intel that screws up this time, with a new architecture instead of a refresh. but i doubt it.

either way, lets hope its less of a buzz kill then barcelona has been so far.


RE: Show something
By Regs on 7/2/2007 5:07:09 PM , Rating: 2
This is actually just for penyrn. Nethlem they hope to have shanghi ironed out for it.


RE: Show something
By Regs on 7/2/2007 5:08:19 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Show something
By omnicronx on 7/2/2007 5:09:25 PM , Rating: 3
This only leaves me to believe that AMD knows Intel fucked up with with not jumping on the SOI bandwagon, and they want to get to sub 45nm levels as fast as they can. It gives me a glimmer of hope.. i just hope Barcelona is not a big flop


RE: Show something
By Treckin on 7/2/2007 5:39:47 PM , Rating: 1
If he got rated down because he said fuck, I hope DT takes away the stupid rating feature....

That was a very astute comment. IN fact however, I think this is intended to fall somewhere between penryn and nehalem. AMD was previously down about an entire architecture iteration, so they are hoping to shrink the lead to only 1.5 here. It would also explain the shitty performance of Barcelona... Unless by some second coming of the messiah Barcelona is a sleeping mamba (*preys*), we wont see any competition until this.
AMD tried both a die shrink and a arch. switch with Barcelona, as well as breaking into uncharted territory with the native quad core dealeo.
Some people I think are confused as to what penyrn is.....
Its just a C2D at 45nm.... should draw a bit less power, maybe a few percentage points higher due to less heat---> higher clocks, but IMO Barcelona will at least make it a fairly even game.
They are focusing on winning the next battle with the Stars line, having decisively lost this round of core design.


RE: Show something
By James Holden on 7/2/2007 5:55:17 PM , Rating: 1
He didn't get rated down cause he cussed. He got rated down cause his post didn't make any sense.

SOI was to help clock speeds ramp in the single core days. It worked for IBM, 4.7 ghz on PPC. Why didn't it work for AMD? Cause the architecture won't get above 2.0ghz right now, let alone 3. Intel doesn't need SOI, they're not over 3.0ghz either.


RE: Show something
By plewis00 on 7/2/2007 8:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
Penryn Core 2s will also carry 6Mb cache on the Duos (Wolfdale) and 12Mb cache on the Quads (Yorkfield) with a 1333FSB. I'm pretty sure they also have SSE4 support and are approximately 5-10% faster clock-for-clock than the current generation. It's not just a die-shrink, there are some minor architectural differences but this is all pretty normal if you look back over previous chips, a new architecture, then a die-shrink after approx. year with some minor changes then another year with the same die-size but new architecture (I think it's because you wouldn't risk a whole new architecture straight out with an immature process) and so-on (this is all vaguely speaking).


RE: Show something
By smilingcrow on 7/2/07, Rating: 0
RE: Show something
By kamel5547 on 7/2/2007 6:26:50 PM , Rating: 3
ANd here I though AMD was simply trying to get onto the same manufacturing process as Intel rather than constantly being a generation behind.

I don't think the rush to 45nm this means anything besides the fact AMD would like to level the playing field as much as possible.


RE: Show something
By vignyan on 7/3/2007 7:18:40 AM , Rating: 4
Dude... you really think Intel does not know about SOI when you do? there are PhD's working in their research labs not people like you and me.

The fact is that SOI yeilds are better but at the same time, it has multiple limitations. SOI is a very costly process. The retooling of a fab itself takes around 2-3bn USDs.. That pushes your margins down. There is a minor difference in the yields and reliability. Still these can be covered in the design.

Apart from being costly, as some one commented in this thread, it does not scale well. Thats why intel reached 3GHz in 2003-2004 ish and AMD reached it in 2006 ish (core clock not the 3000+ thing)...

Also at the lower nodes, (65nm, 45nm, 32nm...) there is an effect called as Antenna effect which affects the SOI process based products to a large extent due to the electron entrapment during the SOI process.

So it all depends on what you call superior.... the finances and the future options also contribute to that "superior technology" brand! :)


RE: Show something
By Justin Case on 7/3/2007 3:40:49 PM , Rating: 2
Barcelona is having problems scaling past 2 GHz or so in volume. But some 2.3 GHz units have been floating around for a while, and they're quite impressive (we're talking 50% faster than a 2.66 GHz Clovertown, in FP, and around 15-20% faster in integer).

If AMD can fix the speed scaling issues quickly, Intel is in for some serious competition. That is a big "if", however. With the current yields on parts above 2 GHz, they're just not economically viable.


RE: Show something
By TomZ on 7/3/2007 5:15:08 PM , Rating: 1
50%?!? I'll believe that when I see public benchmarks on AnandTech, et al.


RE: Show something
By excrucio on 7/3/2007 5:29:00 PM , Rating: 2
where da hell u been there was a 3rd party benhcmark not too long ago in this site


RE: Show something
RE: Show something
By AvidDailyTechie on 7/5/2007 9:20:25 PM , Rating: 2
Did I miss something? How does that link support Justin Case's comment? I think it's the opposite: "The Kentsfield Xeon was 58% faster with a 50% higher clock frequency for Cinebench"

Even accounting for clock differences, wouldn't it still actually be slower... clock for clock???


RE: Show something
By Justin Case on 7/7/2007 2:48:10 PM , Rating: 2
Cinebench is a worst-case scenario for AMD (both with Barcelona and older models); it makes heavy use of SSE3 and very little x87 FP (unlike more advanced software, such as Maya, 3dsmax, etc.). All but the latest revision of Barcelona has issues with SSE3. The latest revision fixes those (about 10-15% faster than the previous ones), but they still can't get enough chips to run at high enough clock speeds to make models above 2 GHz commercially viable.

Until that happens, Barcelona will only beat Intel in 4-socket configurations and above (and it more or less matches them on 2S configurations); it clearly loses in 1S, which is still where most of the sales are.


RE: Show something
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 7/3/2007 5:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
I've not read or heard anything that would indicate anyone has a chip at 2.3 GHz.


RE: Show something
By Justin Case on 7/26/2007 9:05:44 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I take this article...

http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Demonstrates+30+GHz+Q...

...to mean that now you have read or heard something about chips running at 2.3 GHz (and higher)...? :)

Like I said, they're just not economically viable (yet). But some select partners have had access to them for a while.


RE: Show something
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 8/1/2007 5:13:07 AM , Rating: 2
There's a three week differential between your comment and mine.


RE: Show something
By Justin Case on 8/3/2007 2:33:56 AM , Rating: 2
In other words you're saying that DailyTech is 3 weeks behind the loop? Or what are you saying, exactly?

Three weeks ago I mentioned that 2.3 GHz Barcelona samples were making the rounds. You decided to post a message saying you had no information about the existence of such chips. Since I hadn't asked if you had any information (and my post wasn't even a reply to something you had written), the only way to interpret your post is as challenging my statement.

So (three weeks later, indeed) I asked if now (that AMD has demonstrated 3 GHz chips publicly) you are aware of chips running at (more than) 2.3 GHz. Yes, it's a rethoric question, but so was your "reply to a non-existent question", above it.

And maybe you'll agree that if AMD can publicly demonstrate 3 GHz CPUs today, running games on Windows, they probably had 2.3 GHz samples capable of running standard CPU benchmarks three weeks ago, no? I don't think even Intel would manage to ramp CPU speed by 80% in just three weeks (30% is impressive enough, although we're not talking about high yields)...

Maybe when someone posts about something that you are not aware of, you shouldn't be so quick to pull rank and say "I've not read or heard anything that would indicate that's true". Unless someone actually asks if you have, of course.


RE: Show something
By Amiga500 on 7/4/2007 5:32:13 AM , Rating: 2
I have heard that AMD had released some stuff out to their selected testing companies...

I had also heard of similar improvements - but interestingly, the gap was only supposed to really open up when going from 2 to 3/4 core usage (ie - the monolithic design kicks in).


RE: Show something
By Amiga500 on 7/4/2007 5:42:31 AM , Rating: 2
DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40...

Make of it what you want:

These figures were from a few months ago, so things may well have changed since then. But in the Integer test, a Barcelona 2.3GHz yields 21% higher score than Clovertown 2.66 GHz, but Floating Point test leaves a staggering 50% performance deficit for Clovertown, and this is not something 45 nanometre Penryn can solve overnight. Unless, of course the clock deficit for AMD is such that Intel speeds past.

NOTE: This is not connected with my post above - the source for it is entirely different and word-of-mouth.


RE: Show something
By TomZ on 7/4/2007 9:56:10 AM , Rating: 1
The figures quoted in that article are from AMD marketing presentations - not from any third-party benchmarks. I don't personally put a lot of trust in "marketing benchmarks."

Those performance benchmarks would be impressive if they were true, however. One thing that seems odd to me is why they would optimize floating-point operations for servers, since typical server applications (web server, file server, etc.) don't use much floating-point. It would be useful for HPC applications, however.


RE: Show something
By retrospooty on 7/4/2007 10:55:01 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with what you said above (and only referrring to shipped product, not early samples, on early drivers and copilers)... "I'll believe that when I see public benchmarks on AnandTech, et al."

Until its shipping and independent benchies are being made, its ALL hype.


RE: Show something
By INTC on 7/5/2007 3:42:03 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Show something
By Justin Case on 7/8/2007 12:45:58 AM , Rating: 2
What makes you think Barcelona is aimed exclusively at servers...? Servers typically have 2-8 CPUs. HPC clusters have thousands. Cray, for example, is a big AMD client (and they're not very happy with the delays, BTW).

FP performance is also key for render farms and graphics workstations (SSE is great for raster video processing, but not quite as great for complex renderers like the GI plug-ins used by Maya, 3dsmax, etc.).

Anyway, it's not a matter of "optimizing" it. It's not like theyr making integer performance worse by making FP faster. It's just a consequence of the design; AMD and DEC always had good FP units. AMD's plan is to move vector operations out to dedicated coprocessors (which is viable, thanks to HT).


RE: Show something
By smilingcrow on 7/2/2007 6:07:54 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe you need to believe in Astrology to have much faith in AMD’s timescales for product releases these days; hence their naming convention. At this point I’ve just turned off and will nod my head and say “very nice, I can’t wait”, with the emphasis on the “I can’t wait”.


RE: Show something
By Sceptor on 7/2/2007 7:10:16 PM , Rating: 2
I fully agree. Hey AMD how about bringing out CURRENT generation products instead of deflecting our attention. I was loyal to you in the past but now I'm not sure I want to follow anymore.

Focus on manufacturing and bring out Barcelona already.


RE: Show something
By ahxnguyen on 7/2/2007 9:50:49 PM , Rating: 3
To AMD, mid 2007 means "late summer - September with limited quantities". 2H 2008 would be "late December 2008". I wish I'm wrong.


RE: Show something
By defter on 7/3/2007 2:07:19 AM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately you are right. AMD promised 65nm chips in "H2 2006" and finally shipped some low-clocked chips in December 2006.


RE: Show something
By tacoburrito on 7/2/2007 11:14:03 PM , Rating: 1
No one in their right mind will believe the roadmaps AMD put out. They could barely scale Barcelona above 2GHz, and they are now talking about all those new processor technology like an advance mem controller? What is the point of telling us what you are gonna do in 2008-9 when you don't even have a plan for 2007?


RE: Show something
By JoeBanana on 7/3/2007 3:07:59 AM , Rating: 2
The clock speed isn't important. Only the results meters.


RE: Show something
By KnightProdigy on 7/4/2007 9:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
By the end of '08, Intels gonna be standin by scratching their head wondering what just passed them by. If all these releases stay on target Intel will be left in the dust. Even if Barcelona is a flop, they will have made up for it in the next year.


RE: Show something
By AvidDailyTechie on 7/5/2007 9:30:15 PM , Rating: 2
What?

Have you seen Intel's, erm, let's say, less than modest roadmaps... I'm still waiting for a 10GHz P4...

Roadmaps are great if a company has a history of accurately following them in the timeframe given. AMD has great expectations, and I'm always looking forward to them, but even recently I recall "an 8800 GTX" at the price of a GTS from AMD in the form of 2900. They're getting close with drivers, but I don't think that statement will actually be entirely true for quite a while.


Wish AMD can return
By Setsunayaki on 7/2/2007 8:23:53 PM , Rating: 2
Although i like Intel processors, I do want AMD to get back on track. AMD has floating point performance advantages...I dont want to see AMD go down.

Hopefuly they succeed on their 45nm move and they can pit well against Intel.

I own on one of my main computers an A64 processor, but the core 2 duos in what I play and do perform better, so I want to see something from AMD I can use on the same performance scale as Intel appear in the future.





RE: Wish AMD can return
By Choppedliver on 7/3/2007 12:59:26 AM , Rating: 2
Amd has always been the underdog. They have always played catchup. The opteron days were the exception, to the rule. Back to business as usual for AMD, nipping at the heels of Intel. Sad.


RE: Wish AMD can return
By Spoelie on 7/3/2007 3:08:52 PM , Rating: 2
not really true. During the entire athlon period they were on par with intel, sometimes better, sometimes worse..


RE: Wish AMD can return
By Choppedliver on 7/3/2007 8:52:42 PM , Rating: 1
Never during the athlon period were they clearly the superior architecture, as in the opteron period.


RE: Wish AMD can return
By Spoelie on 7/4/2007 8:37:35 AM , Rating: 2
Never during the athlon period were they the underdog, not able to compete with intel. What they missed during that time was a strong brand name. This is, performancewise, a turn back to before K7, not before K8.


AMD Astrology Line Announced
By UppityMatt on 7/3/2007 7:13:38 AM , Rating: 5
In further news AMD has now announced there Next Line of Processors based off Astrology Names

Cancer
Things are happening, and your career depends upon your own ambition and drive. You will release a new processor eventually, but only if you can wrestle your actual products to market on time. Look to new features such as Quad Core and deliverable processor speeds for your next revision

Virgo
Career choices and direction seem to indicate a loss of freedom and originality on your part. Do not settle for the first thing that comes along now. A Past lover (mainly your customers) will begin to loose faith in your company. You must deliver a product that can compete with an impending giant.

/sarcasm




RE: AMD Astrology Line Announced
By TomZ on 7/3/2007 1:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
Hilarious. How about one for Intel?


By kenji4life on 7/5/2007 9:05:46 PM , Rating: 2
Intel announces new Slut-el line.

It's the same tired old slot, but it pretends not to know you even if you plugged into it once in the past. Only the youngest stud can get with her, but she'll forget about him too, just like she did you. You're better off with the AMD Virgo line, because once you get with her once and at least she'll want to marry you and attach the ol' ball and chain. You might be bored the rest of your life, but at least you know you're gettin' some.


Too much sockets
By henrikfm on 7/3/2007 7:08:48 AM , Rating: 3
AM2, AM2+, AM3, 1207+...

It's confusing. Instead Intel has LGA775 for now.




RE: Too much sockets
By weskurtz0081 on 7/3/2007 7:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
give me a break guys, they are both equally guilty. You people tend to forget, that even though Intel may use the same socket, you cannot use the same motherboard due to the VRM. Sure, LGA775 was here for the P4, and Core2@65nm, and Core2@45nm..... but during that time, you might as well have used different sockets, because with every change you would have needed a new mobo.


RE: Too much sockets
By Targon on 7/4/2007 7:13:28 PM , Rating: 3
AMD has two sockets that they put in play for the current generation. Currently that is AM2, which is based around DDR2 memory. DDR2+ is an enhanced version of AM2 which is backwards compatable. AM3 is set to be for DDR3 memory. That's fairly clear, and shouldn't confuse ANYONE.

The socket 1207 aka Socket F is the server platform, which has support for the extra HyperTransport connections between processors. Ever wonder why the Opteron platform scales better going upwards from dual processor compared to Xeon? The key is that AMD supports direct processor to processor links without the need to go through the chipset.

Socket 1207+ is to the server platform what AM2+ is to the consumer/enthusiast platform from AMD, support for extra features that are still fully compatable with the older socket 1207.

Both of the + sockets/processors support additional power states for the processors plus support for HyperTransport 3. In most processors out there, AMD as well as Intel, the processor as a whole can be clocked down to conserve power. But, we are talking about dual and quad core processors. What happens if one core is at 90 percent use but the other three cores are sitting idle? The + versions of the processors, when paired with the + socket motherboards can reduce the power usage of the cores that are seeing lower use. This can save a LOT of power in a quad-core chip.

The benefit of the AMD method is that if you have a motherboard with one kind of socket, you know that processors that use that socket will work with only a BIOS update in some cases. With Intel, even if the socket is the same, many motherboards just won't support the newer chips due to the voltage regulators.

Now, what's worse, to have a chip and motherboard that work together, or to need to guess why a motherboard and CPU combination won't work?

And, the only reason AMD even released socket AM2 was to make it clear which processors would work with which motherboards. AM2 processors support DDR2 memory, and even if the socket were the same, the processors would NOT work with DDR1. It's a GOOD thing.

AMD is also trying very hard to make the current and future processors be backwards compatable. Based on reports, the socket AM3 processors from AMD will support BOTH DDR2 and DDR3 memory, so will work in socket AM2 and AM2+ motherboards. AMD is trying very hard not to force people to upgrade their motherboards for the next CPU upgrade cycle or two.

Again, check with Intel for the next processor you buy to make sure the chip will work with your current motherboard, because even if the socket is the same, it may not work. That would be more confusing if you ask me...


AMD
By bryanW1995 on 7/2/2007 7:58:59 PM , Rating: 5
Hector Ruiz is a genius! You guys all be quiet! He has single-handedly accomplished that which intel could not do for many years: brought amd to its knees.




RE: AMD
By kenji4life on 7/5/2007 9:10:49 PM , Rating: 2
That's funny, because AMD supporters have been on their knees too. Begging for a reason not to jump ship.


sockets?
By calaverasgrandes on 7/3/2007 3:56:29 PM , Rating: 2
AMDs sockets are confusing? No they are refreshingly linear.
Can someone please explain intels mobile sockets without giving me a headache.

Generally AMD has been competitive with Intels chips every generation up til now. Even back in the socket 7 days there were several chips that exceeded anything Intel had out.




RE: sockets?
By SexyK on 7/3/2007 5:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, so you want to compare Intel's mobile sockets with AMD's desktop sockets? Even among enthusiasts, very, very few people would even think about swapping out a mobile CPU, so that point is moot.

Intel has been using LGA775 exclusively on the desktop since the beginning of 2004. Where are the headaches?


RE: sockets?
By TomZ on 7/3/2007 6:47:25 PM , Rating: 3
The headaches are only in the smaller details like different voltage regulators that cause compatability problems.


IMC & cache
By paydirt on 7/3/2007 8:33:53 AM , Rating: 2
With Intel adding an Integrated Memory Controller within 2 years and having 8MB cache per quad-core and AMD's quad-cores having only 2MB cache per quad-core... I gotta think that AMD will be behind the curve in 2 years as well, unless they beat Intel to the punch with integrated graphics.




RE: IMC & cache
By Zurtex on 7/3/2007 9:40:23 PM , Rating: 2
That's a rather narrow view, AMD have had less cache per core, been a step behind on their die-shrink process and not had fancy features like "Hyper-Threading" and still been on top in performance before.

I'm not saying AMD is about to surge ahead, but one thing I've learnt with CPUs of my time, is certainly not to count the chickens before they are hatched.

It's not so much integrated graphics, as it is incorporating strong parallel processing technology (in this case stream processing) with strong sequential processing technology. This is also going to heavily depend on there being an application need for it, I've worked with scientific software that would be massively benefited, but people have to come up with clever ways to make it useful for the desktop beyond HD Media and Games.


By crystal clear on 7/5/2007 7:51:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD gets ready for Barcelona launch


Kevin Knox, the vice president of AMD's commercial business, recently sat down with IDG News Service to discuss preparations for Barcelona's upcoming launch. What follows is an edited transcript of that conversation.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/06/28/AMD-Barc...

IDGNS: What does the launch of Barcelona mean? When the launch happens next quarter, will the chips be widely available in large quantities?

Knox: That's what we're going through now. Our plan is not to have a paper launch. We want to do a launch with a product.



IDGNS: How much work has been done to seed the market for Barcelona? Has AMD shipped sample systems to major customers so they can test their applications?

Knox: Yes, we're starting to get some samples to customers as seeds. You definitely need to have seed programs. They're critical. People want to kick the tires, especially with something as significant as the move from dual core to quad core, and the enhancements we've made. We're going to have a larger seed program than we've ever had before on the server side. Part of that's because there's some new stuff, and part of that's because it's a pretty competitive market right now.

Frankly, there are some accounts you have to seed. Whenever new technology comes out, you've got to let the Wall Street guys try it out. And it's not just the end-user community. There's a whole ISV aspect to it, as well. They've got to get ready. You've got to get the hardware manufacturers in Taiwan ready.




True or False ?
By crystal clear on 7/5/2007 7:27:19 AM , Rating: 1

July 4th, 2007
AMD posts blatantly deceptive benchmarks on Barcelona

After AMD admitted the bad news last week that their Barcelona product would be late and underwhelming on clock speed, the AMD propaganda machine has gone in to hyper drive with the latest salvo of blatantly deceptive benchmarks. After claiming to have the high-road on ethics, AMD showed hypocrisy on three separate occasions (one, two, and three). But this latest round of deceptive benchmarks is so outrageous that it’s criminal.

On AMD’s “Barcelona” performance page, AMD shows the following fictitious and outdated information. Apparently some of these misleading numbers are even showing up on Wall Street Journal advertisements......................
...............................
After Henri Richard (AMD executive) came in front of our ZDNet cameras to slam Intel for “un-ethical behavior” and promising not to do the same, we have caught them on four separate occasions behaving unethically. After this latest incident, it’s clear that AMD has no intention of behaving honestly or ethically.



http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=567




You're kidding me right???
By staypuff69 on 7/5/07, Rating: 0
Oh boy...
By sxr7171 on 7/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Oh boy...
By smilingcrow on 7/3/2007 5:51:26 AM , Rating: 4
Why do AMD name their processors after stars?
Because their release dates are light years into the future. :)


RE: Oh boy...
By DallasTexas on 7/3/2007 10:58:15 AM , Rating: 1
I think it's because they're SEEING stars. Even so, it would be better to name their processors perhaps constellations instead of stars. These names sound like venereal diseases.


RE: Oh boy...
By Justin Case on 7/3/2007 3:42:13 PM , Rating: 3
A light-year is a measure of distance, not time. How old are you, in miles...?


RE: Oh boy...
By fake01 on 7/4/2007 12:59:07 AM , Rating: 2
To Justin;

While you are correct, you got to understand that the fastest man made device which is currently traveling at over 200,000kmph will take many, many years to reach the distance of what light can in just a year.

Thus when he says "Because their release dates are light-years into the future", he's saying it will take many years for us to get there. Or AMD to be precise.

He's just trying to be funny, can't you put 2 and 2 together???


RE: Oh boy...
By kenji4life on 7/5/2007 9:23:17 PM , Rating: 2
He can be funny, but he was countering funny with sarcastic criticism.

The quesition is: Can you, sir put 2 and 2 together?


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