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AMD plans to launch two Phenom X4 and three X2 models within the next three quarters

AMD’s latest roadmap reveals the company’s model numbers for the performance and mainstream Phenom X4 and X2 processors. Despite AMD issuing model numbers, the clock speeds are still ballpark figures and not yet set in stone. AMD has two Phenom X4 and three X2 models planned. Three of the models are set for a Q4’2007 launch.

The Agena-based Phenom X4 processors carry the GP-7xxx model number. There will be two Phenom X4 GP-7xxx processors at launch – the GP-7100 and the GP-7000. AMD plans to clock the Phenom X4 GP-7100 from 2.2-to-2.4 GHz. The Phenom X4 GP-7100 has a 3600 MHz HyperTransport 3.0, or HT3, bus speed. The lesser Phenom X4 GP-7000 has a targeted clock speed between 2.0-to-2.2 GHz and a lesser HT3 bus speed in excess of 3200 MHz. The two quad-core processors will have 89-watt thermal ratings.

AMD plans to launch one Phenom X2 GP-6xxx model by the end of the year. The Phenom X2 GP-6550 joins the Phenom line up next quarter clocked somewhere between 2.0-to-2.4 GHz. The first Phenom X2 to launch has a 3600 MHz HT3 bus speed. This model has a TDP of 65 watts.

Two more Phenom X2 GP-6xxx models will join the lineup in Q1’2008. The Phenom X2 GP-6650 will launch first between 2.2-to-2.6 GHz with a 3600 MHz HT3 bus speed. This model has a 65-watt TDP, similar to the GP-6550. The next Phenom X2 GP-6xxx model to launch is the GP-6800. This model has a higher 89-watt TDP, but still a dual-core processor. AMD aims for a 2.4-to-2.8 GHz clock speed with a 4000 MHz HT3 bus speed.

In Q2’2008, AMD plans to launch one more Stars processor based on the Rana core. This model does not carry the Phenom name because it’s a lower end mainstream processor without L3 cache. The Athlon X2 LS-2350 aims to clock in at 2.0-to-2.2 GHz with a 3200 MHz HT3 bus speed.

The 3.0 GHz Phenom processor that AMD demonstrated last week during its Analyst Day does not appear anywhere in the most recent desktop roadmap.

AMD's latest guidance explains that sample availability for AM2 Phenom will begin in the "September/October" window, with box stock during "November/December." 


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OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz
By Amiga500 on 7/28/2007 6:27:49 AM , Rating: 5
OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz and is 20% faster (than conroe) clock-for-clock on Int, that makes it broadly equivalent to a 2.9 GHz conroe.

If its 40% faster on Ipc, that makes it approx equal to a 3.3 GHz Conroe.

I have heard these ballpark figures from people with access to engineering samples. I know Penryn has moved things on a bit.

But bottom line is, do AMD need to release the 3.0 GHz chip right now to take top-spot?

They might want to refine the manufacturing process more with respins, to bring the TDP down (after all, if it doesn't fit the existing thermal envelopes, its not a clear upgrade path from the 2000 series Opterons like they said it would be).

It is possible Barcelona will give them back the performance crown... however, with the lack of info coming out, its also possible it is a complete turkey, and the company will do well to survive until Shanghai and later, Bulldozer.




RE: OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz
By fake01 on 7/28/2007 7:50:21 AM , Rating: 1
Come to think about it, If Barcelona at 2.4GHz really does match say Penryn at 3GHz-3.3GHz than why on Earth would AMD want to bring out a 3GHz Barcelona CPU. It's quite possible that AMD can get a stable 3GHz speed, but is keeping it until Intel bring out a really fast Penryn?

C2D at 3GHz may beat AMD's current fastest (X2 6000+, and "may" soon be released X2 6400+) by a fair margin. But the gap between a 3GHz Barcelona and 3.3GHz Penryn will be even far greater on AMD's way, thats to say if Barcelona lives up to its expectations. So I don't think its really necessary for AMD to bring out a 3GHz chip straight away.


RE: OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz
By Spoelie on 7/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz
By coldpower27 on 7/28/2007 11:31:50 AM , Rating: 3
Other way around I assume equal or slightly behind in INT and superior in FP.


RE: OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz
By Spoelie on 7/29/07, Rating: 0
By Gul Westfale on 7/29/2007 2:23:38 PM , Rating: 2
sure, K8 from an architecture to architecture standpoint is competitive with intel's core; but intel has always had a huge advantage in manufacturing technology. that in turn allows them to increase clockspeeds rapidly, while AMD is struggling to reach the 3GHz barrier.

with phenom AMD must show that their chip is not only good on paper but that they can actually make the thing run fast enough to be competitive in the real world. i'd really like to see that (i've been an AMD customer since 2000), but the lack of info from AMD does have me a bit worried.


RE: OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz
By defter on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: OK, say the thing tops out at 2.4 GHz
By Comdrpopnfresh on 7/29/2007 11:51:34 AM , Rating: 3
Why do you suspect that Penryn will be 5-10% faster than Conroe? It is simply a die shrink. Maybe a 1-3% increase could be seen, but for the most part the increases will come from efficiencies: thermals and voltage, so therefore power consumption and overclockability, as well as the availability to produce higher-speed chips which meet or beat Conroes of the same TDP and voltage.


By Shintai on 7/29/2007 4:47:51 PM , Rating: 3
By Maskarat on 7/29/2007 5:17:47 PM , Rating: 5
And why should you think that a 2.4 ghz Barcelona is anything near a 3ghz penryn! We have seen hard rock benchmarks of neither product!

So until now .. both sides have just been issuing PR junk! When C2D was first demonstrated by Intel.. i remember AMD guys shouting .. "Oh no.. those are cooked numbers! It's not possible" .. now a year and a half after .. they are quick to jump on ship because of some promises. Come on!! When these two new products come out .. they'll come out .. till then .. it's all a big blob!


Frustrating....
By PaxtonFettel on 7/28/2007 6:21:19 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure that I, like everyone else, am waiting with absolutely baited breath for these processors to become available. But no matter how many 'demos' model numbers and roadmaps they release, AMD seem to incapable of giving us anything of any substance to go on.

Is anyone else finding all this teasing and waiting as frustrating as I am?




RE: Frustrating....
By crystal clear on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: Frustrating....
By General Disturbance on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: Frustrating....
By PaxtonFettel on 7/29/2007 10:20:27 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not an AMD fanboy by any measure, I jump on whatever bandwagon offers best price/performance at the time, this time round I have an OC'd E6400 (anda mobo that'll, hopefully, accept the 45nm chips in the future) whereas my last PC was a K7, and damned good too!

I'm just worried about the AMD good-bye bit. I don't want to say good bye to AMD, we need the competition! Without AMD we'd never be in the position we are now, with very competant chips at every single price point. It's a great situation for the consumer and I don't think anyone wants it to end.


RE: Frustrating....
By KnightProdigy on 7/29/2007 6:13:17 PM , Rating: 5
If your that easy to say good bye, than I'm sure AMD wont miss ya.
Intel has been in the same situation AMD is now, but for YEARS. Intel couldnt produce anything that could compete with the 6x86 or the inception of AMDs 3D Now from back in the day.
Conroe is Intel's 1st winner since the Pentium!
AMD WILL regain the crown, than I can see you gettin your balls in a pinch as you plan for your next AMD rig.

With AMD positioning themsleves for the future, they have put the speed competition to rest.
I dont blame them. They announce new technology more than Intel. Intel has been copying things competitiors come up with for a long time, their only REAL strength is having the finances to rush these technologies to market first.

I will never go back to being an Intel Fanboi. It's goodbye Intel for me.


RE: Frustrating....
By JWalk on 7/30/2007 10:34:27 AM , Rating: 5
As of Q2 2007, AMD's market share is 11.4 per cent. Intel's market share is 80.3 per cent. Looking at those numbers, I'm pretty sure AMD will miss any and every one they lose. Even people who post negative comments about them on DT. ;)

As far as the Phenom/Penryn pissing match? No one here knows how things will shake out right now. We won't know until the chips hit the market. Of course, no matter who ends up on top, we will be right back where we started. The "fans" of the winner will sing it's praises. And, the "fans" of the loser will say, "just wait until the next release when we will pwn you!" Same song, different verse. LOL


Time is what i have
By bassjunkie on 7/28/2007 3:31:50 AM , Rating: 2
Your all way to quick to judge.. we all knew months ago they was not planning a 3Ghz CPU on release :P and to Gul Westfale the Hyper Transport being higher than the Clock speed is not bad you Nab.

Just wait and see like we are already waiting, I got Intel like the rest do but I'm so looking forward to these AMD Chips :)




RE: Time is what i have
By Gul Westfale on 7/28/2007 7:20:19 AM , Rating: 2
i knoiw it's not "bad" to have more bandwidth it just seemed funny to me that the bus is faster than the chip. i mean CPUs have been stuck at 2-3GHz (a bit more for intel) for quite some time now, and now the bus is faster than the CPU... it just seems weird, that's all.


RE: Time is what i have
By Fozzik on 7/28/2007 8:21:06 AM , Rating: 3
Well, if I'm not mistaken they are probably still quoting the "effective" speed of the Hypertransport bus. It's full duplex, so they have always doubled the actual clock speed for the marketing. The current Hypertransport is often referred to as a 2GHz bus, only because it's 1GHz in both directions at the same time.

So my guess would be the new buses are 1.6 - 1.8GHz, running full duplex. I could be wrong though...I haven't been following things that closely. =)


What Id like to know
By JayDeeJohn on 7/28/2007 6:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
How much of all these markets (DT/Ser etc) percentage wise is top 70+ %? Given there are different ranges in speeds, it seems to me, not everyone buys the top models. If AMD's chips still come in at the main selling point/speed, and are competitive, then who cares whether or not they have the crown ATM? Unfortunately, this is survival for AMD, and if they are competitive in the best selling niche, then theyll have marketshare, hopefully enough for them to survive




AMD lost the race?
By gOJDO on 7/28/2007 4:01:47 PM , Rating: 2
IMO,
K10 has potentials to outperform same clocked Core2 only in FP and memory intensive applications. The percent of such real-world applications is so small(5%-10% I guess). Most general purpose and multimedia software won't benefit from K10's cores FPUs and the two K10 ODMC's.
For AL computations Core2 will remain being the fastest CPU. For SSE K10 has roughly same potentials like Core2, if only up to SSE3 is used. In other cases Core2 will likely outperform it.

With frequencies below 2.6GHz, AMD has no theoretical chances to win any crown(mobile/desktop/server), considering Penryn and Caneland arriving at same time with K10. It(Penryn) will wipe the floor with K10 more than Conroe wiped the floor with K8.




X3?
By Slaimus on 7/29/2007 12:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
Seeing how AMD is going to be disabling 2 cores on the K10 for the dual core parts, what are the chances they will release a X3 with only one core disabled?




confusing
By Lord Evermore on 7/29/2007 9:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
Man they're going to have a confusing lineup of varying clock speeds and bus speeds. It's already hard enough figuring out whether a difference in clock speed alone is enough to justify a difference in price for one's needs, now we get to figure price in with how much core processing power we need AND whether we need a higher bus speed, all within a single product line. It's not like they're the Athlon and Sempron, or Core2 and Celeron. They aren't even apparently using any part of the model number as a way to indicate whether a chip is one with a lower or higher bus speed. They could at least have made like the last digit indicate 3.2GHz or 3.6GHz, and have it consistent with both X2 and X4, and whatever they might call the "value" line if they make one. The model number meanings don't even seem to be consistent between X2 and X4 now. It's not like these are different processor designs.

And your only options with the X4's this year is the higher speed model with the higher speed bus, or a lower speed model which also has a lower speed bus? Obviously that'll probably be great for overclockers, but for stock speeds there's no middle ground value.

Do DT writers get paid by the word? How many times can you write out the entire name of the product in one article? Just say GP-7xxx after the first time you say Phenom X4 GP-7xxx. AMD's model names are getting as bad as Microsoft software names. Wasn't Phenom X4 7100 good enough?




Lawsuits?
By Computermonger on 7/30/2007 6:07:12 PM , Rating: 2
What about the Lawsuits AMD has? Can anyone give an estimate of the payout if AMD were to win?

If we are talking multi-billion dollar settlements and various antitrust measures against Intel, than they play a large role in whether AMD will succeed (R&D spending ,etc).




Inquirer debunks Dailytech
By lucyphil on 7/31/2007 1:06:59 PM , Rating: 2
http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t...
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41...

quote:

I was standing there while the AMD representative (Jon Carvill) took the pictures. In fact, he borrowed _MY_ camera to do so, check the metadata.

It was taken between 8 and 8:30am PST last thursday at the annex building to the left of AMDs main lobby.

I can verify everything that Mr. Not Say says, and there were two machines there running at 3.0Ghz. I can also debunk all the FUD Kubicki is spewing over this one. I also know the cooling, the voltage, and a lot more info about it.


Looks like Dailytech has some egg on their face!




BS
By Anonimous on 7/31/2007 4:54:49 AM , Rating: 1
a few thoughts
By Gul Westfale on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: a few thoughts
By ultimaone on 7/28/2007 1:45:39 AM , Rating: 4
phenom X4 <- 4 core
phenom X2 <- 2 core

thats how you tell how many cores...

heres some more info. on upcoming naming
http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Expands+Upcoming+Proc...

the GP is broken down, G for gaming/high end and
P for power usage, >65 W

the 7000, 6000, etc is series of cpu
the last 3 are for comparing to other cpu's in the same series
7100 > 7000 > 6000



RE: a few thoughts
By Spoelie on 7/28/2007 7:07:15 AM , Rating: 2
What I really don't like, is the similarity with Intel's model numbers..

I mean, the X2 6550 is begging to be compared to Intel's 6550, and if it comes up short in any way, the backlash will hurt.

No no, direct model number copying is not the way to go, different cpu cores have different strength and weaknesses, and should be judged by their own merits, not how they compare to a specific competitors model. Comparisons should be made based on prics/value.


RE: a few thoughts
By Gherking on 7/28/2007 11:01:12 AM , Rating: 2
I hear ya.

I did a double take, couldn't understand their reasons for naming models close to C2D chips... but I don't doubt that they do have valid reasons for doing this. Anybody care to suggest anything? Perhaps this is intentional and they really do plan to name their superior chips close to less capable Intel chips.


RE: a few thoughts
By Spoelie on 7/29/2007 8:50:05 AM , Rating: 2
Here's an idea for a model system for desktop cpus, based on the current Phenom system interleaved with a page from what was used on the initial Opteron model system.

First we have the name indicating the core architecture, that's obvious. Phenom, Athlon, Sempron, ...

Three classes loosely indicating power~performance:
*X has always been associated with enthusiast (A64 FX-60, Core² QX6800, Core² X6800), so that's an easy one. >90w processors with extra features like unlocked multipliers.
*G can be retained for the 'normal' line, being associated with 'G'eneral, 'G'amer, whatever. These would contain the 65w and 89w processors.
*L is an obvious choice for 'L'ow voltage, 'L'ow power. 45w processors and below.

Numbers should be placed according to their significance for general computing performance; #cores > clock speed > cache. So the first number signifies the number of cores, while the next two the clock speed (omg!!1 u can actually know the clock speed from the model number? what a novel idea!). 28 => 2.8ghz. Model 423 would thus contain 4 cores running at 2.3ghz, while model 230 would have 2 cores running at 3.0ghz.

AMD has the advantage of not really needing to indicate bus speed like Intel (1066 or 1333 fsb etc.). The chipset powering a socket should be able to accept any released chip on that socket. A slightly lower HT speed (for example, 3.2ghz instead of 3.6ghz on the new chips, or 800mhz instead of 1ghz on the older chips) is no biggie for performance on desktop chips.

We still might need to indicate cache. This is the hardest part of this system, but since this has less impact on performance, it's not that imperative for the general populace, so we can afford making it a bit more complicated. Cache can be indicated by a letter (another number is number overload in my opinion), having a different meaning according to the power class it is in. 2 classes and thus 2 letters should suffice for this. I've chosen P and T for this, because they 'fit' neatly with the existing power classes. P could indicate 'performance', mainstream; T 'top', high end; For example:
*XT an enthusiast processor with 4mb L3 cache, XP has 2mb L3 cache
*GT a mainstream processor with 2mb L3 cache, GP has 1mb L3 cache
*LT a low power processor with 1mb L3 cache, LP has 512k L3 cache
Of course, they don't *have* to indicate different cache configurations between power classes, so if there are less cache configurations as outlined here, both XT and GT could indicate 4mb L3 cache. The same letter can also be used to indicate the exact TDP instead, or both the cache and TDP, but I don't think it's necessary a model number conveys exact TDP information.

Some examples:
Phenom XP-424
Phenom GT-422
Phenom GP-230
Phenom LT-220

It might sound less flashy than the "geeeepeee seven thousand", but is imo more useful.


RE: a few thoughts
By Gul Westfale on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: a few thoughts
By TunaBreeze on 7/28/2007 1:55:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. so the bus speed is higher than the CPU clock now? sad.


Huh?


RE: a few thoughts
By Rickler on 7/28/2007 3:24:09 AM , Rating: 5
How is that sad? There are 4 cores, it makes sense to have the bandwidth to use them with the memory GPU etc.

What I think is sad is that you are probly one of the fools who forked out 1k for a 3.8ghz p4 while the 2.6ghz FX did circles around it.


RE: a few thoughts
By RW on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
It all makes sense now...
By Khato on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: It all makes sense now...
By Treckin on 7/28/2007 2:30:23 AM , Rating: 1
[slap]
Sarcasm in consideration, your still an idiot.
It was obviously a real proc. My speculation is that the thing performs excellent, even with the slower clocks. If you can remember back to Netburst vs Athlon 64/FX... Stop playing the 'my penis(MHZ) is bigger than your penis(MHZ)' analogy in a infinitesimally complex computer world which your small and un-evolved brian is ill-equipped to comprehend.

Raw speed is not what makes a better performer...

[/slap]


RE: It all makes sense now...
By Khato on 7/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: It all makes sense now...
By tkSteveFOX on 7/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: It all makes sense now...
By ultimaone on 7/28/2007 5:40:44 PM , Rating: 1
i'm seeing the higher transport speed like how
currently nvidias video cards have higher shader clock speeds
i think that really hurt the ati cards, having half that speed

but i could be totally off

guess we have to wait and find out
thats half the fun :)


RE: It all makes sense now...
By fake01 on 7/28/2007 7:33:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mmmm, but yes, I am quite suspicious of anything AMD says any more, especially when there's nothing whatsoever to back it up. And really, the contents of the roadmap in this article do nothing to make me believe their presentation. I'd expect that some will use it in an attempt to prove the opposite point - they top out at 2.4GHz this year because that completely dominates anything Intel has to offer. But there tends to be a little flaw in that logic - why sell something that runs at 3GHz for the 2.4GHz price, when you could charge twice as much or more?


I remember reading that barcelona is a good overclocker. I'm not saying AMD did this, but its possible that they overclocked the CPU, maybe to test for stability, maybe to test for performance IDK, all I know is that its a possibility.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By JumpingJack on 7/29/2007 12:25:55 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I remember reading that barcelona is a good overclocker. I'm not saying AMD did this, but its possible that they overclocked the CPU, maybe to test for stability, maybe to test for performance IDK, all I know is that its a possibility.


You read about that here:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_conte...

This was debunked here:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7291

Fuad was being emailed a bunch of faked screenshots, and statements of performance and clocking claims. The 'overclockability' rumor was more or less a hoax, considering AMD cannot make anything much over 2.0 GHz for launch, it is not likely.... of course, they could work some magic for the Phenom launch and have something really special... but the prior info you are going on is not correct it was indeed falsified.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By fake01 on 7/31/2007 1:05:47 AM , Rating: 1
Just because Phenom is clocked at 2GHz-2.6GHz, and AMD has troubles clocking it higher than 2GHz doesn't mean it won't be a good overclocker. I mean C2D at 2.6GHz can EASILY reach speeds well beyond 3GHz with everything stock, why would Intel release a processor at 2.6GHz when it is capable of so much more?


RE: It all makes sense now...
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 7/28/2007 3:40:52 AM , Rating: 2
To his credit, the image on DT and every other publication was canned -- AMD gave it to media. They did not let media take their own pictures of the demo systems. Nor would they disclose what speeds the demo systems were running at.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By JackPack on 7/28/2007 4:44:37 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, if I'm reading that correctly, that so-called 3 GHz demo was completely worthless.

The demo system could have been running at 1.6 GHz for all we know.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/28/2007 6:09:18 AM , Rating: 1
yes indeed-read my reply to K.K..

A poor P.R. exercise-very amatuer !

Reminds me, way back years ago AMD produced Intel clones !

Now -I know its hard to believe-the chinese have succeeded to produce Intel CPUs clones !-SCHOCKING indeed-I saw one not in pictures/sites etc,but for real.

Believe it or not !-Take it or leave it !


RE: It all makes sense now...
By Spoelie on 7/28/2007 7:12:27 AM , Rating: 2
Euhm produced a cpu with the x86 isa.. yes, very likely.

Produced an exact clone of the conroe chip.. no. For one, outside of Intel, there are VERY few fabs that are able to produce such a chip. In fact, I think only AMD and IBM would be able at this point, with TSMC etc. almost there.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/28/2007 7:45:13 AM , Rating: 1
There is so much contracting & sub contracting work going to China,directly to China or via Taiwan to China.

The chinese have made rapid progress in incorporating new fab technologies/facilities/training local manpower/techniques etc.

The immense proportions for all types of computer components that get produced there in China,you can see it to believe it only by being based there for a period of time & or frequently visit that area.


Ofcourse you got to have those right contacts on the street to get to such things !(clones/pirated stuff etc)

You have to be,like on an intelligence gathering mission to get to sources that work for you,to get you the information.

Their sales outlets is ofcourse based in Hong Kong.

You name it from iPods,iPhone look alikes to anything else they can do it & have it.

Anyway all this was offtopic-just by the way sort of.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/28/2007 8:45:04 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Police in the eastern province of Zhejiang raided a gang making counterfeit Viagra and selling the tablets to 12 countries, including the United States and Holland, it said, adding that a total of 18,000 pills were seized.

In Guangdong, police had arrested 12 people and seized 1 ton of fake drugs and two production lines and large quantities of raw materials for making "sildenafil citrate", the scientific name of Viagra.

Police detained 19 suspects and shut down six factories in May last year for making fake Tamiflu, a bird flu drug, and selling it to the United States via the Internet, the agency said.



http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?typ...


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: It all makes sense now...
By psychobriggsy on 7/31/2007 5:33:08 AM , Rating: 2
Well The Inquirer has debunked your comment completely it seems? Were you actually there?

Full access to the systems (there were two), you could take your own pictures, the side of the case was off for long periods of time, so the bling fans were not required to cool the system ...


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/31/2007 6:17:23 AM , Rating: 1
You seem to be regular reader/visitor to "the Inquirer"-so I ask you this question-Where are they based ? U.K. & or Israel.

See below-copy paste !

By Charlie Demerjian: ??? ????? 31 ???? 2007, 09:02

Note the hebrew text !

by the way are YOU the same person mentioned above behind your current user name ?


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/31/2007 6:41:04 AM , Rating: 1
I dont know why/how- when I wrote this comment-the hebrew text appeared,but when I posted the comment-the hebrew text disappeared, instead you see ???.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/31/2007 7:02:16 AM , Rating: 1
Come on "Charlie Demerjian' you did not commit a crime posting a comment on Dailytech !

Hello Charlie are you there ?


RE: It all makes sense now...
By Reynod on 7/31/07, Rating: -1
RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 7/31/2007 6:46:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I didn't see him?


Could you name the site you represent ?-just curious ?

Nice to have Eds & reporters of other sites amongst us !

So be frank !


RE: It all makes sense now...
By BitJunkie on 7/31/2007 3:32:52 PM , Rating: 1
...this thread is almost ugly enough to turn me off anandtech permanently.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By Kim Leo on 8/1/2007 4:19:09 AM , Rating: 2
I agree! I would have voted you up, but i used all my votes voting down the crap comments mostly made by one user..

what annoys me the most, even more than crystal clears immature comments is that on top of everything we see KristopherKubicki telling a down right lie to us all! I usually check Theinq, and Anandtech/Daylitech for news that could be interesting, but now. With the comments plagued by dumb, and Intel fanboy comments, and lies from the people who administrate the site, i'm starting to loose trust in this place, i used to say that Theinq wasn't valid, and mostly gossip, but so far they seem to be the most valid and honest.

I hope this site improves, but i sense that may only be if KristopherKubicki are excluded from Daylitech staff. A lie stays with you!


RE: It all makes sense now...
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 8/1/2007 5:25:56 AM , Rating: 1
I'm the first to admit when I make a mistake. You'll have to keep in mind the information I received was from the day before The Inquirer was there. Sources were checked, AMD PR was brought in the loop and everything operated, at the time, the way I wrote it.

Flat out lie? Please.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By End Of Times on 8/1/2007 5:42:19 AM , Rating: 2
Will you now update your story as it is somehow incorrect?


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 8/1/2007 6:47:20 AM , Rating: 1
This guy & a few more have bad intentions-

1) They want you OUT of Dailytech.

2) They want to brand you a LIAR.

They seem to hate you very much.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By End Of Times on 8/1/07, Rating: -1
RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 8/1/07, Rating: 0
RE: It all makes sense now...
By End Of Times on 8/1/2007 10:10:07 AM , Rating: 2
First your comments were linked to my comments box.

Secondly I’m sorry that you have never met (Dad) K.K.

You seem very experienced with this dual/quad users name stuff.

How do we know that you are not K.K. Dual/Quad Entity?
You certainly jumped right in with boots and all to his rescue with no scepticism taking it all as gospel.

Perhaps a more balanced mentality would serve you well?


By crystal clear on 8/1/2007 10:57:02 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Secondly I’m sorry that you have never met (Dad) K.K.


You do not know how old I am-I certainly do not fall in the age group to call him my dad.( my dad is in his grave)

I am much much older in age to him anyway.

quote:
How do we know that you are not K.K. Dual/Quad Entity?


You can rest be assured I am not K.K.-I am sure he not your type !

Last but not the least your response is disgusting & even more SICK.

Comments like yours are better ignored than respond to-BYE


RE: It all makes sense now...
By crystal clear on 8/1/2007 6:39:09 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
what annoys me the most, even more than crystal clears immature comments i


What annoys you the most is that I tried to expose you guys(editorial staff) from the inquirer,making comments under different usernames here on this site.

You voting me down doesnt change the fact that you & your collegues come here with bad intentions & your hatred for D.T. & K.K. shows your immaturity ,typical school boyish.

If you & your friends are so happy about the inq... then stay there-what are you doing here ?

I have nothing against the inquirer & their staff...

You use this site to express your deep hatred & enemity & jealousy that you have for K.K.!

All your comments & of others(Reynod,phyco...,etc) clearly show that-you want him OUT & BRAND him a LIAR !

Go settle your accounts with him somewhere else !


RE: It all makes sense now...
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 8/1/2007 6:55:51 AM , Rating: 3
What some of these guys don't seem to realize is that I can see when your cookies and IP line up on two different accounts. I let you continue to post here but don't think I'm ignorant to it.

I'm not upset by their criticism. I am surprised that my coverage of the event has triggered the words "fanboy" "conspiracy" and "liar" -- all in the same subject.

Yet still don't see anyone refuting the evidence that the CPU they showed off isn't even on the roadmap. It's fun internet drama, but I suppose there's nothing more pressing to write about at certain publications.


By crystal clear on 8/1/2007 7:40:22 AM , Rating: 2
To summarize on all the thrash putout by these posters & the inquirer article.

All they do is to pick out your comment & few others including mine- spin it around & brand you a liar,with the intention to spoil your reputation in the industry.

Thats it !


RE: It all makes sense now...
By Justin Case on 8/3/2007 2:53:59 AM , Rating: 3
With all due respect, if the information provided by DT is identical to AMD's public roadmaps, what use is DT, exactly? We can get our press releases and marketing blurbs straight from the source.

When you "cover" an event without even attending it, the least you can do is say so in the "article".

I don't think there's any "conspiracy" here. Just poor (and somewhat unethical) reporting.

Say what you will about the Inquirer, but their "news" are actually new, when they "report" something they actually went there, and their kind of "investigation journalism" actually involves some investigation, not just sitting at home waiting for some marketing department to send them a press release.

I can see how that clashes with modern media culture.


By crystal clear on 8/1/2007 8:08:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree! I would have voted you up, but i used all my votes voting down the crap comments mostly made by one user..


How stupid you are indeed !

The momemt you post a commemt on an article/comment all your votes up/down are invalid !
(that you did before posting)

Unless ofcourse IF you using dual/quad usernames-Who knows!


By James Holden on 8/1/2007 8:24:43 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see what the fuss is about. Calling for KK to resign because AMD lied to him is a bit harsh i think.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By JackBeQuick on 8/1/2007 8:38:17 AM , Rating: 2
My first post here. You've had an account here for 2 years and you haven't picked up that it's not Anandtech anymore?


RE: It all makes sense now...
By BitJunkie on 8/1/2007 9:48:39 AM , Rating: 2
In my mind I still see them as being inextricably linked. If I was Anandtech I wouldn't be best please with being associated with this kind of drama. More importantly and of greater relevance, after 2 years, they still don't have an edit button.

Shoot me.


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 8/1/2007 10:43:18 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
More importantly and of greater relevance, after 2 years, they still don't have an edit button.

It's like that by design. People tend to write less rubbish once they realize it's in permanent ink.


By James Holden on 8/1/2007 8:27:52 AM , Rating: 2
You know this um, how?

Aren't you the same Reynod from Australia?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/20570-9-what-guy...

Talk about lies, no wonder why you didn't see him. You weren't there either!


RE: It all makes sense now...
By Justin Case on 7/31/2007 5:32:05 PM , Rating: 2
For those who haven't read it:

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41342

This is hardly the first time a "news" (read, press-release propagation) site pretends to cover an event without being anywhere near it, or pretends to be an authoritative source without being even remotely informed (ex., http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7913&... )...


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 8/1/2007 5:14:41 AM , Rating: 2
My response is here:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8261

I think my comments were well justified.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By General Disturbance on 7/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: It all makes sense now...
By jazkat on 8/1/2007 6:50:03 AM , Rating: 1
well good for you but you wont see a intel cpu in my machine even if it does make my games a few fps faster etc,
i have only had one intel cpu and that will be my last even if penryn cleans my house for me runs my pc and does my shopping, why would you want to support a company thats treated you like s*** for years making you pay loads for a cpu.
you should be thanking amd for giving intel the slap it needed to lower the cpu prices because if they didnt you would be looking at extreme bucks for your intel products,
i cant see the 65nm k10 beating intels 45nm even tho i hate to admit it but i am sure that amd/ibm 45nm collaboration
is when intel gets its second bashing from amd.
maybe 65nm k10 will be enough i suppose we will just have to wait and see, thats all i can say is hope amd dont go cos im sure intel will show its true colors once again and make you pay through the nose.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By JumpingJack on 7/29/2007 12:30:16 AM , Rating: 2
Well, nice slap....

But.....

Performance = Clockspeed X IPC

So, yes, clockspeed does indeed still matter. The higher the clock speed the faster it will perform, pretty simple.

What you are driving at is comparing between architectures where one may have better IPC efficiency over the other... nonetheless, if clockspeed did not make the processor why does AMD keep trying to up the clockspeed?

Becareful who you call an idiot... the term 'idiot' has a specific meaning and it might come back to haunt you.


RE: It all makes sense now...
By bjtag on 7/29/2007 11:11:22 AM , Rating: 3
(Humor)(From the news this week)
you guy better watch what you say or
someone might drive 1300 miles to burn
down your trailer!


RE: It all makes sense now...
By bjtag on 7/29/2007 11:14:43 AM , Rating: 2
(Humor)(From the news this week)
you guys better watch what you say or
someone might drive 1300 miles to burn
down your trailer!


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