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ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850  (Source: Newegg)
Newegg has HD 4850's available now

Yesterday, AMD’s Radeon HD 4850 video card was making headlines. The card promises good performance and will fight for the middle of the road market alongside NVIDIA’s freshly announced price change for the GeForce 9800 GTX and new 9800 GTX+ GPU.

The initial HD 4850 video cards that are hitting the market will use GDDR3 RAM, though AMD has publically said that its RV770 will work with GDDR5 and GDDR5 versions are expected at a later date.

Both NVIDIA and AMD are known for their paper launches of products that are announced and get gamers excited, to be unavailable for weeks or months after the initial press releases are sent out. This time AMD is on the ball and the HD 4850 graphics cards are already sitting on store shelves.

Newegg has HD 4850 cards from Sapphire, MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS, and Diamond available for purchase now. The Sapphire Radeon HD4850 retails for $199.99 and has a $20 mail-in rebate. The Sapphire card appears to lack any software or games bundled with the card.

Likewise, Newegg has an ASUS HD 4850 card for a low $169.99 after a $30 mail-in rebate.

Specs show that all cards contain 800 stream processing units, 512MB of GDDR3, a 256-bit memory interface and support for Crossfire. Core clock speed for the cards is 625MHz. Despite the significantly increased number of stream processors on the 4850 compared to the 9800 GTX+, NVIDIA maintains that the GTX+ significantly outperforms the 4850. Hands-on reviews will provide the tale of the tape.

The HD 4850 wasn't expected to hit store shelves until June 25.



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Holy sh*t.
By therealnickdanger on 6/20/2008 12:29:50 PM , Rating: 2
That's what I paid for my HD3850 only last fall. Well, I'm very shocked it is already being offered with a MIR? That seems premature.




RE: Holy sh*t.
By therealnickdanger on 6/20/2008 12:34:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's what I paid for my HD3850 only last fall

Hmm, now mine is $90:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...


RE: Holy sh*t.
By nosfe on 6/20/2008 12:36:59 PM , Rating: 2
yes, quite right, and where is my radeon 9500pro that i paid 100$ last.... err 5 years ago?


RE: Holy sh*t.
By amanojaku on 6/20/2008 12:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
In the garbage, with my $400 9800 Pro that is outclassed by my $130 Radeon 850 Pro.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By BladeVenom on 6/20/2008 1:36:54 PM , Rating: 5
You should have gotten a Voodoo 5 card. No better Voodoo card ever came out.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By Moishe on 6/20/2008 2:48:25 PM , Rating: 3
darn right... I got one and I've never regretted that decision. It still runs UT like a champ. heh


RE: Holy sh*t.
By therealnickdanger on 6/20/2008 6:25:44 PM , Rating: 5
I wish I could get as excited over a game as much as I did over original UT. That was just such a fun game!


RE: Holy sh*t.
By Noliving on 6/20/2008 11:04:29 PM , Rating: 1
Voodoo 2 was the best ever!


RE: Holy sh*t.
By StevoLincolnite on 6/21/2008 7:33:35 AM , Rating: 2
It's a pity we never saw the Voodoo 5 6000 with the external power supply dubbed as "Voodoo Volts".
I blame the entire "Single Pass Multi-Texturing debacle" for the downfall of the mighty 3dfx, and the huge silicon...


RE: Holy sh*t.
By just4U on 6/22/2008 1:02:48 AM , Rating: 2

quote:
That's what I paid for my HD3850 only last fall


quote:
Hmm, now mine is $90:


Do you have any idea how great that is guys? Setting aside this new launch that kind of performance in that value segment is amazing!


RE: Holy sh*t.
By spe1491 on 6/20/2008 12:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if the rebates are to counter the price drop of the 9800GTX... Makes me think AMD probably expected NVIDIA to drop the price and had the rebates waiting.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By nosfe on 6/20/2008 12:41:30 PM , Rating: 4
well of course nvidia dropped the prices, it's not like they had any choice, the 9800gtx was completely trashed in price/performance by the 4850


RE: Holy sh*t.
By Locutus465 on 6/20/2008 1:01:43 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, yeah I paid that much for my 3870 not all too long ago... Not much of a reason for me to upgrade yet so I'm going to be holding off for a while loner, but this card looks like one hell of a buy for the money.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By mmntech on 6/20/2008 1:38:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, me too in back in February and it was on sale for that price. The HD 3850s were regularly going for $199 in the Great White North not too long ago. Ironically I bought it just for Mass Effect but never got the game thanks to EA's jackassery.

It's good for gamers. I was starting to get worried there when last gen's $200 cards weren't performing too well compared to the previous cards. It looked like PC gaming was getting prohibitively expensive again. Fortunately ATI has decided to fill in the gap with cheap cards that perform well. It's like the Radeon 9000 days again. I'm still an nVidia man but I'll buy whatever offers the best price-performance ratio.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By pattycake0147 on 6/20/2008 4:38:50 PM , Rating: 1
I was just on Newegg and all of the MIRs have been removed.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By RamarC on 6/20/2008 5:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
pulling the rebates ticks me off. i just ordered the powercolor 4850 with a $25 rebate about 1pm for $199 (bundled with a free 2gb microSD card). still, i can't wait to swap out my x1950pro for this new baby.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By SoWUT on 6/20/2008 6:08:27 PM , Rating: 2
I feel your pain, I just purchase a 9600GT for around the same price just a month ago.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By Omega215D on 6/21/2008 1:48:34 AM , Rating: 2
Looks like many people I've spoken to still say ATI is horrible compared to nVidia with their overheating cards and lousy drivers. looks like I ran into nVidia fanboys in COD 4. They wont even believe that ATi can come out with a card that performs better than a 9800GTX.


RE: Holy sh*t.
By abzillah on 6/21/2008 5:30:19 AM , Rating: 2
Me too. I built a system for a friend of mine a week ago and I was telling him to wait for the ATI card to come out, because it will be good and even if it doesn't beat nVidia, it will cause nVidia to drop prices. He didn't listen to me and instead ordered a 8800GTS, and when he finds out about the 4850, he will regret not listening to me. I mean, I don't mind him wanting an nVidia card, but he should have listened because he could have saved money or he could have gotten the 9800GTX for the same price. Well, it's not my money.
But talking about money, I have to watch how I spend money and try to save some money. We all should try to save some money, little by little it will add up to a lot over time.


AMD will survive.
By Mitch101 on 6/20/2008 2:09:20 PM , Rating: 5
Even if your next CPU is a penryn/yorkfield/wolfdale/Nehalem etc sitting next to it will be a Radeon 48xx video card. AMD will survive.

NVIDIA is in a very bad spot I hear Intel wont provide them with a Nehalem license which I think will probably end NVIDIA's chipsets for Intel CPU's which leaves them with only being able to make chipsets for AMD. 780G is the best bang for the buck on AMD's side so NVIDIA is pretty limited there despite the NVIDIA Geforce 7200 chipset being pretty good but lacking in any gaming performance. Plus the NVIDIA chipset causing data corruption didnt help matters despite it recently being resolved.

Now AMD starts a possible huge punch in the gut by undercutting NVIDIA on price in the graphics bang per buck area.

If AMD can keep up this price war pressure while NVIDIA plays catchup (Die Shrink) in the mid range where products sell the most NVIDIA is in a bad place.

NVIDIA will be dead or hurting massively in 2-3 years unless they merge with AMD
http://www.freshscoop.com/modules.php?name=News&fi...




RE: AMD will survive.
By FITCamaro on 6/20/08, Rating: 0
RE: AMD will survive.
By Mitch101 on 6/20/2008 2:38:46 PM , Rating: 5
If anyone is questioning the NVIDIA chipsets for Intel Nehalem.

Intel confirms Nvidia 'Nehalem' negotations
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/02/intel_nvid...

NVIDIA and Intel Still Disagreeing on Nehalem License
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-and-Intel-St...

Intel won't let Nvidia make Nehalem chipsets
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_conte...


RE: AMD will survive.
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2008 3:35:16 PM , Rating: 1
Very interesting. I had not heard this. I mean I just got a Q6600 so it will probably be another 2 years before I upgrade again.

But with the roll AMD/ATI is on with GPUs, my next system will likely be an Intel processor, Intel chipset, and AMD GPUs. Unless AMD can pull a miracle out of its butt and get a better performing CPU architecture out there. Phenom isn't horrible, but Intel is just downright faster for single CPU systems.


RE: AMD will survive.
By lifeblood on 6/20/2008 4:04:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm hoping this success makes its way over to the CPU side. Perhaps this is the turnaround point and AMD is back on it's way to actually being a challenger to Intel. Go AMD, go!


RE: AMD will survive.
By 16nm on 6/20/2008 5:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Phenom isn't horrible, but Intel is just downright faster for single CPU systems.


And multi-CPU systems if we are to believe the Intel Nehalem performance claims.


RE: AMD will survive.
By GlassHouse69 on 6/20/2008 2:23:23 PM , Rating: 3
the guy suggests that one of them buys aegia.

that is a great idea. oh wait, it already happened. Nice of him to be a tech guru with such knowledge.

isnt nvidia a much much larger company than ati and a larger company than amd?

It is true that the best chipset is amd 780G or intel p35. Nvidia kinda sux. Back when everyone was doing nforce4 and 3, those sucked too and people never chimed in. Via's k8t800 pro benched just the same with only 30 watts for mobo usage vs 65-70 for nforce. Then I went ULI for my asrock board, that was a big win, power usage too was a win. Nvidia had to buy out ULI to make sure the 1695 chipset was pushed under the carpet while their 939 chipsets kinda sucked and were overly pricey.

now they have these "super" 260 and 280 vid cards that consume as much power as an entire gaming system.

yay!


RE: AMD will survive.
By Mitch101 on 6/20/2008 2:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
It was posted Monday, September 17 2007 @ 08:22:33 MST

Ageia was aquired after the article.


RE: AMD will survive.
By Mitch101 on 6/20/2008 2:36:46 PM , Rating: 5
If anyone is questioning the NVIDIA chipsets for Intel Nehalem.

Intel confirms Nvidia 'Nehalem' negotations
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/02/intel_nvid...

NVIDIA and Intel Still Disagreeing on Nehalem License
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-and-Intel-St...

780G > Geforce 7100

NO Nehalem Chipsets from NVIDIA.

AMD/ATI/Intel support Havoc Physics not PhysX

AMD > NVIDIA in bang per buck on graphics currently

AMD Owns fabs while NVIDIA doesnt. - ATI might still outsource production to a third party like NVIDIA but AMD will have 45nm in house soon and could produce chips inhouse cheaper than NVIDIA putting more pressure on them in a price war.

I dont think AMD can pull the next gen chipset license from NVIDIA but if they did and INTEL Does on Nehalem it could be lights out for NVIDIA after all who would they make motherboards for Via? I dont see Intel giving them one after the way NVIDIA shot thier mouth off at Intel. Besides Intel has been making their best motherboards as of late.

AMD can continually undercut NVIDIA in graphics price because they own fabs instead of oursourcing manufacturing.

NVIDIA might have the top performing card but without a mainstream seller for profit things are looking grim for the company.

AMD just got Blizzard on board for TWIMTBP. I would expect DX10.1 for Starcraft and WOW. This should seal the deal for Asian markets.

Simply put NVIDIA is in a lot of trouble. They have competition and thier future in motherboard chipsets might just get axed on one side of the pond.


RE: AMD will survive.
By sxr7171 on 6/20/2008 3:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
"Jensen" ran his mouth a little much in the recent past. He's going to need to kiss some intel ass now.


RE: AMD will survive.
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2008 3:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD just got Blizzard on board for TWIMTBP.


Sorry what?


RE: AMD will survive.
RE: AMD will survive.
By saiga6360 on 6/20/2008 7:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
Playing the marketing game. Finally.


RE: AMD will survive.
By Noliving on 6/20/2008 11:02:36 PM , Rating: 2
I think he is saying what to the way its meant to be played because that is not a ati/amd program that is a nvidia program.


RE: AMD will survive.
By djc208 on 6/20/2008 2:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
I honestly don't think Intel will be alowed to tell nVidia no for Nehalem. It would essentially create a monopoly on Intel chipsets, and considering the posturing on these issues recently I'd bet the government would step in and say otherwise. The only advantage is I'd bet that nVidia would allow SLI on Intel chipsets vice nothing.

Otherwise I say good for AMD here, they need a hit and it looks like they may have one here. Especially when this pushes the 3800 series down which is still a decent performer and makes a second card for a CF setup look pretty nice.


RE: AMD will survive.
By taropie on 6/20/2008 3:22:58 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot the good ol' via


RE: AMD will survive.
By wordsworm on 6/20/2008 8:51:35 PM , Rating: 2
Intel might have more to worry about nVidia than vice-versa. Check this little article from Tom shardware. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-cuda-gp...

While the article concluded that the GPU isn't quite ready to replace the CPU, it does seem to be getting closer. If CUDA evolves far enough to compete with the CPU, I think Intel will be the one greatest at risk. AMD has something that can compete with nVidia, but what does Intel have? I'm not trying to flame Intel, I'm just saying that competition is fierce out there, and no one really knows what the market will be like in 5-10 years. Intel has been around for a long time, but that doesn't mean they're not in constant danger from their competitors.

Anyways, nVidia would never be allowed to merge with AMD. It's a no-brainer to realize that regulators would immediately imply that they'd never approve such a merger.


RE: AMD will survive.
By TheJian on 6/21/08, Rating: 0
WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By rudolphna on 6/20/2008 1:35:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
NVIDIA maintains that the GTX+ significantly outperforms the 4850.


Uhhhhh.. Nvidia I want you to read this. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338

The 4850 absolutely DESTROYS everything, with a pretty low power consumption to boot. Combine this with a Triple or quad core Phenom, and you have a mean gaming machine. Its so nice to see AMD getting its act together :)




RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By PointlesS on 6/20/2008 1:54:06 PM , Rating: 2
to be fair the power consumption is basically the same between a 4850 and a 9800gtx...but still...given the fact that it performs equal and in some cases significantly better than a 9800gtx...I would take a 4850 over a 9800gtx+ even if they were the same price...

I don't think I've seen such a big reaction like this in a long time...the 4850 is just a brilliant card in performance and pricing...usually people say "I'll buy it when it hits x amount" but for $200 people are willing...and not just willing but actually feeling satisfied paying at the msrp price...


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By sxr7171 on 6/20/2008 4:04:19 PM , Rating: 2
How refreshing to see an intelligently designed video card that launches at below $200!

We've had it with $600+ power grubbing, super heating, 15" long, multiple slot occupying BS card launches.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By mooncancook on 6/20/2008 4:42:47 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah this is good time. This reminds me of the days of 9500Pro for $199, maybe even better. I hope this trend is not short-lived. With my LCD TV max at 1366x768, I can finally make my HTPC a very powerful gaming machine for relatively cheap.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By MonkeyPaw on 6/20/2008 5:25:00 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I felt happy when I got my 3870 for $200 in February, and I had to wait for the price to come down. Still, that card leaves me happy to this day, and probably goes down as my best GPU experience to date. The 4850 starts at $200 already and is packed with performance. I have a feeling that once you pop a dual-slot cooler on it, you should even get some decent OCing results, since RV770 is designed to hit the 4870 speeds.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By sxr7171 on 6/20/2008 3:59:52 PM , Rating: 2
Why Phenom? Straight Crossfire those up with Nehalem when that comes out. Two or four 4870s should hang with that kind of processing power. My point is: choose the best, no matter who's the maker.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By rudolphna on 6/20/2008 4:30:03 PM , Rating: 3
Its not that i dont like intel, I do. But I would like to help AMD out, and considering im upgrading from a Pentium 4 Prescott 3Ghz.... Im going to get a Phenom X3 8650, overclock it to 2.6 or 2.7, and combine it with this and a AMD 790FX DFI board. Can anyone say pwnage? =D Like i said, even the lowest end parts today are STILL faster than what i have now.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By just4U on 6/22/2008 1:19:51 AM , Rating: 2
I built a PhenomX3 based system last month as a secondary for the home. Their excellent little cpu's and they bring that same sort of responsiveness to windows we saw with the Intel's lineup. They won't do the insane overclocks like Intel's cpu's which is their one big drawback.

Still tho, it compliments my IntelQuad setup quite nicely and I was/am pleased with the purchase.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By overzealot on 6/22/2008 1:09:46 PM , Rating: 2
It's occaisionally noted by reviewers (who see a lot more hardware than you or I) that combining chipset, gpu and cpu of the same brand (or, in the defacto standard configuration) usually leads to a better experience.
Whilst Intel does crossfire, I think AMD know how to implement it better on their own chipset.
quote:
Straight Crossfire those up with Nehalem when that comes out.
quote:
choose the best, no matter who's the maker.

And my point is: choose what's best for you, inside your budget and, strangely enough, actually available.
It's like telling someone in the year 2000 not to buy Quake 3 because Prey will be out soon.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By pattycake0147 on 6/20/2008 4:13:38 PM , Rating: 2
Keep in mind that the AT article didn't compare the 9800GTX+ they compared the 9800GTX. The 9800GTX+ is higher clocked and on 55nm rather than 65nm.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By cyriene on 6/20/2008 10:16:26 PM , Rating: 3
This is true, but the price points for the 9800GTX and 4850 are basically the same. Sure the 9800GTX+ will perform better, but the price/performance ratio might not be as good as with the 4850.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By Noliving on 6/20/2008 11:06:22 PM , Rating: 2
uhhhh rudolphna that article does not do a comparison between the geforce 9800gtx+, only the geforce 9800gtx.


RE: WTF Nvidia? Go AMD!
By rudolphna on 6/21/2008 9:24:31 AM , Rating: 2
uhhhhh correct me if im wrong, but a clock speeed bump and a die shrink probably wont overcome that gap in some of those benchmarks.


vs. 8800GTX
By bnathuat on 6/20/2008 1:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
So how would these compare to the 8800GTX? I think mine isn't working correctly as it keeps locking up or straight out turning the computer off. Or should I just hold out for next round?




RE: vs. 8800GTX
By vapore0n on 6/20/2008 1:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
time to upgrade the power supply?


RE: vs. 8800GTX
By rudolphna on 6/20/2008 4:36:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. lol. Anand had to use a 1200watt PCP&C power supply for crossfire, despite the actual power consumption. Must take a lot off that 12V Rail with that CPU and these puppies. Can you imagine. a 4850X2 in triple crossfire??? *drools* *starts looking for a 4000w power supply* oh yeah, hey PCP&C, switch over to 12cm fans, can you imagine how loud a 2000w+ power supply would be with an 8cm fan cooling it? whoo....


RE: vs. 8800GTX
By Lightnix on 6/20/2008 6:47:58 PM , Rating: 2
Crappy/faulty PSU to be honest if it's rated for 1000W but can't even take 335W load.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338&p=5


RE: vs. 8800GTX
By Felofasofa on 6/21/2008 1:22:28 AM , Rating: 2
Anand's credibility is taking a hit with this one. They are maintaining that you need a 1200w psu for CF. People are running 2 x 4850's off HX620's fine. Sad really, I did respect them.


RE: vs. 8800GTX
By EnderJ on 6/21/2008 11:01:11 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Since I have no problem running 4850's in Crossfire with my 650W Silverstone Zeus. It's handling them and the rest of my overclocked & watercooled system just fine.


RE: vs. 8800GTX
By rudolphna on 6/21/2008 11:53:20 AM , Rating: 2
maybe as someone else pointed out, it was a faulty psu. That is no reason to stop trusting anand, its not like they get paid commision to advertise expensive units.


RE: vs. 8800GTX
By just4U on 6/22/2008 1:23:38 AM , Rating: 2
It was a "PREVIEW" guys .. What ever was up with it im sure they will get it all sorted for their indepth review of both cards.


RE: vs. 8800GTX
By just4U on 6/22/2008 1:41:07 AM , Rating: 2
8800GTX .. depends on what resolutions your running at really... I'd look at your powersupply for those random reboots tho and Im not quite sure I'd advise a new card unless you can't sort out the issues on your current one. Or you want to get a new one "just because"

Remember tho.. You still have a incredibly good card and while your going to see improvements with some games .. perhaps not so much with others. In some ways the 8800GTX is still better then the 9800GTX due to the higher memory bandwidth at some of the higher resolutions... so what you'd be looking at with the 4850 might be again .. sorta kinda comparable.



Glad
By mendocinosummit on 6/20/2008 12:37:21 PM , Rating: 5
I am glad that something went better than planned for AMD, very glad.




RE: Glad
By amdsupport on 6/20/2008 6:17:12 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I am glad that something went better than planned for AMD, very glad.


AMD must have really worked their supply channels to pull this one off.

Not only that, i'm super shocked that even Best Buy has the 4850s for $199. Best Buy with no markup on PC componets?

The world must be ending in a few days.


RE: Glad
By ChronoReverse on 6/20/2008 7:21:23 PM , Rating: 4
Well, I hope it ends a few days after my 4850 arrives. I want a little time to enjoy it first =)


MIR = Crap
By mikefarinha on 6/20/2008 12:54:45 PM , Rating: 3
I think I'm done with Mail-In-Rebates.
In the past two months I purchased two items that had MIRs, an ATI Radeon 3650 from a local electronics store and Sony Vegas Movie Studio from NewEgg. Both rebate processing companies were in El Paseo TX, and both times they claimed that I never sent in the UPC (which is a lie). One of them I was able to convince that I did send it in (the 3650), the other I have to mail in copies of what I originally sent in.

Wish me luck since the only copy of the UPC of the Sony Vegas software is a blurry picture I took with my cell phone. <grrr>




RE: MIR = Crap
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2008 1:03:25 PM , Rating: 4
Even without the MIR, $199 is a great price for the card.


RE: MIR = Crap
By JoshuaBuss on 6/20/2008 2:57:26 PM , Rating: 2
I know a lot of people who have had problems, and a ton of people who hate them, but I've sent in dozens of MIRs in my lifetime and have yet to have a single one denied. I've even had several for a two-three hundred dollars.. I don't know if I'm just lucky or if I'm just better at reading a little fine print than most people.. but I've never found them to be the least bit difficult or unreliable. *shrug*

far as I'm concerned, yey for MIRs!


RE: MIR = Crap
By mikefarinha on 6/20/2008 3:24:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've sent in dozens of MIRs in my lifetime and have yet to have a single one denied.

Two months ago I would have said the same thing... But now I can join the chorus of the many that have had problems.

Even still we all know that Rebates are a sham, the companies A) want you to forget about the rebates, and B) try to float the rebate check for as long as possible.

I've had several rebates that I've received in the mail that took so long to get to me that I couldn't even remember what they were for; because often times the rebate is from the processing company and not the manufacture.

From now on I'm only going to be basing my purchasing decisions on pre-MIR prices. I'm not playing their game anymore; I'm taking my ball and going home.


Mid-range finally good again
By mjcutri on 6/20/2008 2:07:25 PM , Rating: 5
I'm glad to see that the mid-range cards are finaly worth buying again. There was a while there when the only cards worth buying were $250+. The 8800gt and 3870s helped, but i feel like we're back to the days of the 9600pro/x800 and fx5600/6600gt




RE: Mid-range finally good again
By 325hhee on 6/20/2008 2:54:45 PM , Rating: 2
I really don't like bully tactics from any company, be it Intel or Nvidia, but it sickens me when I read these kinds of memos. It just goes to show, Nvidia has been price fixing and over pricing their cards. This is why ATI prices are more variable and you can always find a better deal with ATI. The Nvidia 9600 should have been a sub $100 back in March.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTI...


RE: Mid-range finally good again
By rudolphna on 6/20/2008 10:38:48 PM , Rating: 2
I dunno why everyone i saying the 2600 is so bad. Thats what i use now, till i build my new pc. I run a 3Ghz Pentium 4 Prescott, with 2GB of PC3200, and a SApphire HD 2600XT. It runs fine, it can handle WoW, FEAR, FS X, and most of my other games with relative ease. When it is bottlenecked, its the crappy Pentium 4 im stuck with. The 2600XT is actually a very good buy for the price IMHO


what the h... today??
By Bcnguy on 6/20/2008 12:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
Excuse me but a friend of mine told me this wednesday he bought one of those. Could it be a fake or this date is only for U.S? I wonder if Can I trust him XD

thanks in advance




RE: what the h... today??
By spe1491 on 6/20/2008 12:42:50 PM , Rating: 2
according to anandtech, AMD upped the release because some places put the card up for sale early, your friend might have found one of those sites selling it ahead of schedule.


RE: what the h... today??
By Bcnguy on 6/20/2008 1:06:47 PM , Rating: 2
Oh I see, it seems he was very lucky then.

Thanks again.


By crystal clear on 6/21/2008 3:08:27 AM , Rating: 2
Some serious work done - worth the reading....

At idle, the 780G and GF8200 basically tie now. In previous testing with the Gigabyte 780G board, the 780G was about 7W higher at idle than the Biostar GF8200. The Intel G35 dropped about 8W after the 0506 BIOS update along with a change in the retail cooler for the E7200. The H.264 playback numbers favor the AMD and NVIDIA chipsets as they feature hardware acceleration for H.264 that Intel is lacking until the G45 arrives. However, the Intel number did improve around 12W after the latest BIOS, driver, and PowerDVD Ultra updates. In our final test, the GF8200 performs the best from a pure wattage vantage viewpoint. The 780G actually has the best performance per watt rating based on a 70% increase in frame rates with only a 5% increase in power compared to the GF8200. The G35 is not recommended for most recent game titles so we will not even comment further on its results.


http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=46...




4850 vs 8800gt
By JojoKracko on 6/22/2008 12:47:11 PM , Rating: 2
As much as I love the 4850's performance, it still loses out for me in the always important bang for the buck race to the 8800GTs that are now being offered for $109 (after MIR). Even the cheapest Asus version at $169 (after $30 MIR) will not run 55% faster than a $109 8800GT. I suppose if you have a 24 inch monitor and want to play Crysis (one time) then this may be worth it to you. Personally I would get a cheap 8800gt if buying today. However, if I was buying two weeks from now, maybe the 4870 will be blowing everything out of the water (bang for the buck wise). Thoughts?




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