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Side-by-side details of AMD's RV670 and R600 processors.

RV670 will initially launch in two flavors: a high-end NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS competitor, and a mid-range-priced alternative that should dominate the sub-$200 market.

AMD reduced the size of its R600 core with RV670 by a significant amount.

  (Source: MadBox)
Two new RV670-based cards will make their way into AMD's lineup this week

An AMD presentation for its upcoming RV670 graphics processor, officially dubbed the Radeon HD 3800, was leaked out to media earlier this week. The slides confirm previous expectations regarding the next generation video card's technical features, such as DirectX 10.1 support, which DailyTech detailed last month.

These slides, confirmed by DailyTech for authenticity, tout DirectX 10.1 support. Before the end of the month, AMD will officially launch its ATI Radeon HD 3800 series. The launch will consist of two new video cards, the HD 3870 and HD 3850. The HD 3870 will be AMD's new enthusiast part, and is expected to launch at a retail price of $250, while the HD 3850 will for considerably less. DirectX 10.1, which is scheduled to ship with Windows Vista Service Pack 1, will be supported by both of these new cards.

The RV670 graphics core will be the industry's first 55nm GPU. It will feature more than 650 million transistors on 192 sq. mm package. By comparison, the ATI Radeon HD 2900 (R600) is manufactured on a 80nm processing node and has 700M transistors in 408 sq. mm. AMD claims that the change to a smaller processing node results in less power leakage and leads to the HD 3870 having less than half the power draw of the HD 2900 XT.

AMD will also introduce PowerPlay technology in its new processors. The HD 3800 series will feature an embedded power state controller that monitors the command buffer to assess GPU utilization levels. Through PowerPlay, engine and memory clocks along with voltage levels can all be dynamically adjusted automatically by the system.
 
AMD will also introduce ATI OverDrive technology with the HD 3800 line of cards. This will allow users to overclock their HD 3800 video cards through ATI Catalyst software. Users will also be allowed to overclock mutli-GPU setups.

ATI CrossfireX, previously dubbed Quad Crossfire, will also finally make its debut. In short, users will be able to connect up to four HD 3800 cards through AMD's Crossfire. The technology will support up to 8 monitors, and will also allow overclocking.

According to AMD guidance, the ATI Radeon HD 3870 will feature 512MB of 1.2 GHz GDDR4 memory on a 256-bit bus. The form factor of the HD 3870 will be dual slot. Despite its process node shrink, the card will still require a 6-pin PCIe connector. AMD measures peak board power at 105 Watts, and operating noise at 34 dBA.

The Radeon HD 3850, which will be a scaled back version of the RV670, will feature 256MB of 900MHz GDDR3 memory. Similar to the HD 3870, the HD 3850 will also feature a 256-bit memory bus. In addition, it will also require a 6-pin PCIe power connector, however, this time it will be based on a single slot form factor.

The Radeon HD 3870 and Radeon HD 3850 will both come with 320 stream processors, 16 texture units, and 16 render back-ends. The main difference between the two cards, though, will be their clock speeds.

The Radeon HD 3870 will come clocked at 775 MHz, while the Radeon HD 3850 will be clocked at lower 670MHz.

Diamond Multimedia previously leaked a GDDR4 version of the Radeon HD 3870, however, the company immediately retracted the leak from its website.

AMD partners tell DailyTech both cards will appear in the retail channel before the end of the month.


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256 bit bus
By lumbergeek on 11/12/2007 5:30:37 PM , Rating: 2
I hope that overcomes some of ATI's speed issues. I may give this one a serious look!




RE: 256 bit bus
By Parhel on 11/12/2007 5:44:38 PM , Rating: 2
If I'm reading it correctly, the second slide from the bottom looks like there is a very slight performance increase over the 2900xt. It looks to be under 5%. That's just 3dMark06, but as it's AMD's own slide I'm sure they would pick a benchmark that's favorable to the new architecture.

Even if the performance isn't quite there, it's definitely a step in the right direction. More performance, half the power, and half the price is quite a leap. We'll know for sure in a few days.


RE: 256 bit bus
By Goty on 11/12/07, Rating: 0
RE: 256 bit bus
By NullSubroutine on 11/13/2007 12:43:43 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't consider their changes minor. While not revolutionary; it is still evolutionary.


RE: 256 bit bus
By Parhel on 11/13/2007 1:43:22 PM , Rating: 1
I suppose I was using "new architecture" very loosely, but surely adding DirectX 10.1 is more than a minor change. I didn't mean to imply that it was built from the ground up. After all, people are referring to Penryn as a new architecture and that's comparable to this release.


RE: 256 bit bus
By scrapsma54 on 11/13/2007 2:08:57 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds to me like ati actually slapped the radeon 2900xt together to get things going. The bandwidth was more than the gpu could chew. Now the newer gpu's have something refined. Why else would they remove 256-bits from its pipeline and remove 150 million transistors. For them to release a new series quickly leads me to believe that 2900xt was a broken Gpu from the start.


RE: 256 bit bus
By Axbattler on 11/12/2007 6:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
I'd like to see them overcome the heat/power consumption/noise issue. I think it's an area they've been behind since the X1800XT. Together with the less than market leading performance of the X2900XT, they actually remind me of the Prescott.


RE: 256 bit bus
By FITCamaro on 11/12/2007 6:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
How would making the memory bus smaller help performance.


RE: 256 bit bus
By teldar on 11/12/2007 9:09:49 PM , Rating: 3
They had so much memory bandwidth they were not using, it's not helping performance, it's helping with cost and power requirements.

T


RE: 256 bit bus
By FITCamaro on 11/12/2007 11:06:27 PM , Rating: 3
Ok yes it'll cut cost and power, but that doesn't mean it'll improve speed as you first stated. I think this generation has proven that we still don't need more than a 256-bit bus.


RE: 256 bit bus
By Regs on 11/13/2007 12:37:58 PM , Rating: 2
I gander that the bandwidth is not being used because the video card simply is not equipped yet to address all that information from the memory in that big of chunk. Kind of like AMD64 vs Conroe, AMD has much more memory bandwidth but can't do nothing with it. Then AMD decided to actually address that problem with Barcelona by improving and increasing the size of the branch predictor and stack units.

Looks like ATi is taking baby steps first. I imagine later they'll be able to take advantage of the extra bandwidth when they tweak the GPU.


RE: 256 bit bus
By homerdog on 11/12/2007 9:11:59 PM , Rating: 2
That's what I was wondering. Maybe he's comparing to RV630?


RE: 256 bit bus
By jazkat on 11/12/07, Rating: 0
RE: 256 bit bus
By jazkat on 11/12/2007 10:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
and other tweaks


RE: 256 bit bus
By Proteusza on 11/13/2007 11:42:00 AM , Rating: 2
Unless I'm misinformed, AMD keeps its shader clocks the same as its core clocks? In other words, no change?


RE: 256 bit bus
By jazkat on 11/13/2007 2:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
im 99% sure the rv670 shader clock is double that of r600

maybe im wrong but im sure i read it somewhere


RE: 256 bit bus
By DingieM on 11/14/2007 6:19:00 AM , Rating: 2
I'm 100% sure shader clock in EVERY R6xx generation is the same as general internal clock.


RE: 256 bit bus
By jazkat on 11/13/2007 2:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
maybe you are rite, maybe its r700 that will have higher shader clocks, its what lets r600 and rv670 down nvidia's are clocked twice the speed.


RE: 256 bit bus
By Daidleus on 11/13/2007 10:21:18 AM , Rating: 2
Why on earth do these cards require the use of a 6 pin PCIe Power Connector? ATI's new cards don't require that much energy at all. My 8800 GTX requires quite a bit more. I have a 850 watt Toughpower Power supply that I purchased in March of 07. Unfortunately, it does not have the 6 pin PCIe power connectors. I was hoping I would be able to purchase an adapter that would allow me to use 2 PCIe 4 pin connectors to create a 150 watt 6 pin PCIe Power Connector, haven't seen anything like that yet though. I'm sure there are a lot of other people with the same problem. Not sure why ATI decided on this; just doesn't make any sense to me especially considering the position they are currently in. I certainly wouldn't want to have to spend money on a new power supply, especially one comparable to the one I have now in addition to a new video card. Thank goodness I don't need a new card, not yet anyway.


RE: 256 bit bus
By overzealot on 11/13/2007 11:14:54 AM , Rating: 2
Go to ebay and search for pcie adaptor. Or 6 pin adaptor. Or pcie power. Any of those searches will yield adaptors.
Sure, they're 2 x molex to PCIe 6 pin, but with an 850 watt PSU you should be able to spare that.


RE: 256 bit bus
By SavagePotato on 11/16/2007 9:33:40 AM