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AMD's Fab roadmap

AMD's bullets for 65nm production
65nm on track, 45nm by mid-2008

AMD is expected to increase production capacity at their Dresden Fab by four times within the next three years. The details revealed in today’s AMD Technology Analysts Day emphasize the previous announcements of upgrades and transformations of Fab 30 (soon to be Fab 38) and Fab 36. With the increased production capacity of Fab 36 AMD expects production to ramp up to 25,000 wafers per month. As AMD moves away from 200mm wafer production, 300mm wafer production is expected to completely replace 200mm production around Q2’08.

DailyTech previously mentioned Fab 36 would lose its test facilities to make way for greater production capacity but new test facilities will be built in Singapore and Suzhou. In addition a separate, new test facility will also be built in Dresden. AMD's Daryl Ostrander released a bit of a roadmap (right) featuring some of the new details on facility upgrades in the near future.

As far as new fabrication processes go, 65nm qualification is on track with Revision G Brisbane core processors production ready, though the processor will not ship until the end of 2006. Replacing the 65nm SOI fabrication process is a new 45nm SOI process that is expected to be in production around mid-2008.  K8L is still being developed as a 65nm platform and expected for its initial release in 2007.

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Water production
By brainwrinkle on 6/1/2006 1:34:00 PM , Rating: 3
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200mm wafer production, 300mm water production





RE: Water production
By dice1111 on 6/1/2006 2:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
Turning Silicon to water. For their next trick, it'll be lead into gold.

Is there anything AMD can't do?


RE: Water production
By PT2006 on 6/1/2006 2:21:25 PM , Rating: 2
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Is there anything AMD can't do?

Besides benchmark faster than Conroe? :)


RE: Water production
By hoppa on 6/1/2006 10:53:27 PM , Rating: 2
zing!


RE: Water production
By Alexstarfire on 6/2/2006 12:25:20 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I believe that the only reason why AMD can't benchmark faster than Conroe ATM is because they are still on the 90nm manufacturing process, and Conroe is on the 65nm process IIRC. I believe that once AMD goes to the 65 process the difference in performance will be up for grabs. I see AMD being the new Intel and vice versa, at least for the time being.


RE: Water production
By hans007 on 6/2/2006 3:05:52 AM , Rating: 2
a 65nm shrink of the 90nm processors will probably do nothing for production.

the first brisbanes will only be running at 2.4 ghz according to published reports.

the only way they will get more performance using basically the same design is to ramp mhz up. 65nm doesnt really help with clock speed, intel is getting maybe 200mhz more on 65nm compared to 90nm.

it will help with power consumption and die size for lower costs, but all they could do is add cache which is barely helping them as it is.

the latest fx60s are putting out 125 watt tdp. at 65nm maybe that goes down to 80watts and that woul dbe a great improvement with a cpu at 40% lower cost to product per die.


RE: Water production
By Viditor on 6/2/2006 4:30:32 AM , Rating: 2
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a 65nm shrink of the 90nm processors will probably do nothing for production

Huh? Did you really mean to say that?
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65nm doesnt really help with clock speed, intel is getting maybe 200mhz more on 65nm compared to 90nm

This is because they needed to decrease power rather than increase clockspeed. AMD's situation is the opposite...they should be able to get several speed bumps out of 65nm and still remain competitive in performance/watt.
quote:
the latest fx60s are putting out 125 watt tdp

This is already covered at 90nm with the new lower power CPUs (65w for most). I would also point out that TDP is not a power usage number...


RE: Water production
By bob661 on 6/2/2006 6:19:38 PM , Rating: 2
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Besides benchmark faster than Conroe? :)
You mean that processor that none of can buy?


RE: Water production
By hstewarth on 6/2/2006 9:28:43 AM , Rating: 2
Intel Road Map has 45nm for 2007 with the Penryn, what will Intel have by 2008. 32nm on rooadmap for 2009.


RE: Water production
By GoatMonkey on 6/2/2006 10:56:38 AM , Rating: 2
I really wouldn't care if they went to 200nm if they can make the chips faster.


RE: Water production
By Viditor on 6/2/2006 2:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
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32nm on rooadmap for 2009

Yes, AMD's roadmap is for 32nm by the end of 2009...


RE: Water production
By hstewarth on 6/2/2006 3:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
You misread what I was stating here, Intel roadmap was 2009, AMD will only have 45mm by 2008 which is a year after Intel has it. My quess AMD will have 32nm in 2010, a year after Intel as always.


RE: Water production
By bob661 on 6/2/2006 6:22:23 PM , Rating: 2
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My quess AMD will have 32nm in 2010, a year after Intel as always.
Better to be late and great than to be on time and be fucked up.


RE: Water production
By Viditor on 6/3/2006 8:02:42 PM , Rating: 2
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My quess AMD will have 32nm in 2010, a year after Intel as always

Uh-huh...now if you want to actually read the roadmap that was posted, AMD will have 32nm by the end of 2009...


speaking of fabs....
By johnsonx on 6/1/2006 2:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever happened to Fab 25 and the other Texas fab(s). Are they gone, or just no longer involved in Athlon production?




RE: speaking of fabs....
By PT2006 on 6/1/2006 2:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think Fab 25 is Spansion only right?


RE: speaking of fabs....
By johnsonx on 6/1/2006 2:45:22 PM , Rating: 2
ok, when in doubt, google:

quote:
Fab 25 was originally designed as a logic fab to support AMD's processor business. The fab is now a dedicated Spansion Flash memory facility after an extremely successful conversion process which involved simultaneously ramping down logic production and ramping up Flash memory production. Most recently Fab 25 commenced volume production of 64-megabit and 128-megabit Spansion Flash memory devices using 110nm floating gate technology.


RE: speaking of fabs....
By greywood on 6/1/2006 4:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
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As far as new fabrication processes go, 65nm qualification is on track with Revision G Brisbane core processors production ready, though the processor will not ship until the end of 2006.


Me thinks someone is being just a tad "enthusiastic"?

If AMD truly has 65 nm parts "production ready" then why can't I buy one right now? I just don't see AMD "sitting" on something like that.


RE: speaking of fabs....
By Griswold on 6/1/2006 4:29:15 PM , Rating: 2
Duh, its called filling your stocks so you dont run dry while delivering it to retailers and OEMs.


RE: speaking of fabs....
By mcphailvdoulton on 6/2/2006 2:45:39 AM , Rating: 3
that, plus the fact that it clearly says
quote:
fabrication processes go, 65nm qualification is on track

which means they're now validating 65nm fabrication, not actually using it for full production run, and
quote:
Revision G Brisbane core processors production ready

means they've finished testing the Brisbane core and cleared it for full production (once the process validation is complete), not that it's already in production.

double duh to greywood :P


RE: speaking of fabs....
By Viditor on 6/2/2006 4:38:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
they're now validating 65nm fabrication, not actually using it for full production run

True...AMD has been quite clear that they will begin 65nm production in Aug/Sept for release in Dec.


RE: speaking of fabs....
By Mudvillager on 6/1/2006 5:53:49 PM , Rating: 1
speaking of google, i recently tried out some so called alternatives (msn, yahoo, lycos, metacrawler, altavista and some more) to google and after a couple of hours of testing i am now even more certain of google's superiority.

...or am i wrong? is there anything even remotely as good as google?


RE: speaking of fabs....
By AnotherGuy on 6/1/2006 8:51:20 PM , Rating: 1
Exactly... and this is totally on topic... NOT!



Post somewhere else dude... like theres not enough news about google these days.. arrggh


RE: speaking of fabs....
By hwhacker on 6/1/2006 10:21:10 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder when this will happen. Before or After Nehalem?

2008 H1 shows Greyhound for the desktop DDR2/3 (AM3?), and 08 H2 for Cadiz (desktop workstation) and Zamora (FB-DIMM next-gen server socket). Both Cadiz and Zemora would be 2nd gen K8L for their respective platforms, so given AMD's pattern of "new socket on old process, shrink, repeat", that would make them both 45nm.

The fact AMD is still sitting well for 45nm (unlike the slip on 65nm) as well the idea of more L3 cache for Cadiz, makes me even more excited about it. :)

Late 2008 sure will an interesting time in the micro-cpu battle.


RE: speaking of fabs....
By Mudvillager on 6/2/2006 6:08:29 AM , Rating: 2
lol you work for ballmer or something?


45 nm and after...
By pinch on 6/2/2006 3:59:47 AM , Rating: 2
nice and after ???




RE: 45 nm and after...
By Regs on 6/2/2006 9:19:07 AM , Rating: 2
Nanoids.


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