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AMD RD790 naked shot (Source: HKEPC)
RD790 to gain triple and quad CrossFire capabilities

AMD is preparing to update its aging 580X chipset later this year with the upcoming RD790. The upcoming RD790 serves double duty as the single and dual processor platform of choice for AMD desktop products. RD790 introduces 41 PCIe 2.0 lanes to AMD’s Socket AM2+ platform for Stars-family processors.

Motherboard manufacturers can distribute the PCIe lanes in many configurations, including four PCIe 2.0 x16 slots with eight-lane signaling. With all 41 PCIe 2.0 lanes, the RD790 chipset has a TDP up to 10-watts. AMD roadmaps reveal the multiple PCIe 2.0 slots are used for an improved CrossFire multi-GPU technology. The improved CrossFire multi-GPU technology supports up to four ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT graphics cards in Quad CrossFire configurations.

Unlike NVIDIA’s SLI, which supports dual or quad graphics cards in SLI, the improved CrossFire solution can take on three cards for improved performance. AMD claims CrossFire scaling with three cards yields a 2.6x performance increase. Two cards in CrossFire yield a 1.8x performance improvement. AMD roadmaps do not divulge how well CrossFire scales with four GPUs.

Expect RD790 to arrive later this year in time for the AMD Phenom product launch in single and dual processor configurations.


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Yay!
By Screwballl on 7/10/2007 1:18:13 PM , Rating: 1
Not only is a 1000W power supply suggested it is required as 4 of these 350W behemoths will require a 1500-1800W power supply...
Hate to see the power bill for the house with machine running 24/7




RE: Yay!
By AsicsNow on 7/10/2007 1:22:57 PM , Rating: 1
haha no kidding. People who have that kinda money to afford 4 cards are probably not too worried about the powerbill anyways though. They probably also have another PC or two to run 24/7 for tasks such as torrents and local servers, etc. if they do care though.

Do they even make power supplies that powerful though? I wonder if enthusiast cases will start comming with room for two power supplies in the near future ;) j/k


RE: Yay!
By Kiwi on 7/10/2007 1:47:00 PM , Rating: 1
One or two of the PSU makers already produce 5 1/4" Optical Bay sized secondary power supplies specifically for Crossfire /SLI situations. They will have to upgrade them from their current 300 watts +/- output ratings, though.


RE: Yay!
By Lightning III on 7/10/2007 2:02:20 PM , Rating: 2
PLEASE

by the time it's actually on the street ATI should have the 65nm die shrink down and will probably release it as the 2950 xt or xtx and all four will draw less power than 2 gtx's

or I'm sure its a hope

and is that a 10 watt TDP for the chipset the 680i is 24 watt TDP that is just about a third the tdp of latest nividia heatbeast chipset although it looks like the new halo heatbeast will be intel's X38 35 watt TDP

well here's to ATI who consistently produces the coolest running enthusiest chipsets

or suitable for later HTPC use once the upgrade cycle has moved on


RE: Yay!
By Anh Huynh on 7/10/2007 2:17:43 PM , Rating: 1
You can't really compare the X38 and 680i to the RD790 for power consumption. The RD790 doesn't have a memory controller onboard.


RE: Yay!
By Le Québécois on 7/10/2007 2:54:03 PM , Rating: 4
Ok, but does this mean that you can't compare AMD CPU TDP to Intel CPU TDP because AMD does have their memory controller inside their CPU?

Just a honest question here, no sarcasm intended.


RE: Yay!
By vignyan on 7/11/2007 1:56:53 AM , Rating: 1
Well i honestly think that it must be the power consumption of the CPU+chipset that need to be compared as these chips are interdependent.


RE: Yay!
By Lightning III on 7/10/2007 3:21:15 PM , Rating: 2
it holds true across the board look at the

DFI LANParty UT ICFX3200-T2R

quote:
RD600 has slightly higher idle consumption numbers than the Intel 975X but consumes about 12% less power under load than the Intel board and 26% less than the ASUS 680i. Although the 680i consumes about 32% more power at idle than the RD600


or if you prefer

the 6100, 6150,7050

compared to the 690G wich runs cooler and is the only IGP chipset that will handle vista ultimate and generate's less heat at that

but my all time favorite is the computex firing squad invatational

http://www.firingsquad.com/features/firingsquad_in...

where Nvidia got the total beat down by ATI (all products in development prior to merger )

or the falcon northwest blog actually I think they won twice and nobody noticed

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7864


RE: Yay!
By tuteja1986 on 7/10/2007 11:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
I have a DFI RD600 .. it had alot of problem but all the major problems have been fixed in the latest revision. Also DFI is still doing bios updates which is making the board even better and more stable. All you need to do is buy a extra cooling for north/south bridge to make it become a overclocking beast. It overclocks better than my Asus 680i Striker. Also best Quad core overclocking board i have seen yet.


RE: Yay!
By z3R0C00L on 7/11/2007 8:30:58 AM , Rating: 2
Who cares if ATi produces the coolest running chipsets... and who cares about nVIDIA chipsets. Unless you're running an AMD processor based system then there's no need to buy either.

Intel Chipsets are the single best platform that exists. The x38 aims to add both SLI and X-Fire to it's feature support list all the while maintaining Intel's stability and overclocking prowess.

This coming from a guy with both a 680i and P35 platform.


RE: Yay!
By omnicronx on 7/10/2007 1:33:49 PM , Rating: 3
1500-1800w heh, i dont think so, not unless your computer is running raid with 6 drives and has a coffee and cappuccino maker. dont forget the radio!!


RE: Yay!
By omnicronx on 7/10/2007 1:37:49 PM , Rating: 2
oh shit eh.. i didn't realize each radeon actually does need 250W.. damn.. they might as well add a cappuccino maker with all that wasted power


RE: Yay!
By lumbergeek on 7/10/2007 8:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
Put a percolator on the GPU and you can brew coffee the old fashioned way.


RE: Yay!
By Slaimus on 7/10/2007 1:37:06 PM , Rating: 5
The 2900XT uses about 180W at max load. It is a lot, but far from 350W.


RE: Yay!
By PrinceGaz on 7/11/2007 10:59:47 AM , Rating: 2
Okay so that is only around 700W when you have four of them doing their stuff. 700W ffs! Add on a high-end CPU and associated components, then add on the inefficiency of the PSU and you could be easily be looking at 1.2KW being drawn by the system as a whole.

Rather than devote time to allowing people to use four cards in Crossfire, AMD would be better off making their cards a lot more efficient than the under-performing power-hungry examples they are currently.


RE: Yay!
By Haltech on 7/10/2007 11:05:42 PM , Rating: 2
also not to mention the extreme loudness they'll produce


Weak
By PLaYaHaTeD on 7/10/2007 2:19:42 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps maybe AMD should think about releasing a single card that actually surpasses the performance (or efficacy) of the 8800 GTX. After all, they've had more than half a year since the GTX was released, and their failures resulted in:

1. The GTX still above 600 dollars (let's not even talk about the ultra).
2. No 8900 refresh to date (we are due, yet nothing is in the immediate future)
3. Weak mid level cards, and late to market

AMD/ATI had over 6 months, and their latest still could not top nVidias finest in total performance OR performance per watt. IMO the latter makes the R600 a total failure. We as the consumers need nVidia to have some healthy competition, and AMD isn't providing it ATM.




RE: Weak
By omnicronx on 7/10/2007 2:47:53 PM , Rating: 1
anything else? ati obviously stayed out of the high end market this time around for a reason. why i dont know, but what i do know is that the enthusiast market is only about 1%, and amd+ati have to play catchup.. the best way to do this, focus on the cards that sell for a cycle.
amd is obviously focusing on the barcelona launch and integrating cpu and gpu (fusion).

lets just hope all of what i said is not B.S and the next time around ati comes out with a little more punch


RE: Weak
By Lightning III on 7/10/2007 3:41:24 PM , Rating: 2

wow it looks like Nvidia fan boys are rating us down


RE: Weak
By Pirks on 7/10/2007 4:53:25 PM , Rating: 1
ati losers don't waste their time here as well - look at my post ratings here :P


RE: Weak
By damike101 on 7/10/2007 2:50:49 PM , Rating: 2
AMD has a refresh of the 2900 in the works at the 65nm process node though. That will definately help with heat, and as tests have shown, the 2900 overclocks amazingly if you can keep it cool. Just food for thought.

I don't think that the 2900 is a failure, it just needs tweaking the same way that nVidia cards do.


RE: Weak
By maroon1 on 7/10/2007 4:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The GTX still above 600 dollars


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

What about this one ^^ ?! It only cost $489.9 after MIR, and it is factory overclocked

And the 8800Ultra currently cost only $594.9 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...


RE: Weak
By jazkat on 7/11/2007 10:22:56 PM , Rating: 2
what are you onabout??

the gtx uses more power than the 2900xt in some cases i have read many reviews stateing this, AMD just had to patch a leaking roof with the r600 and get it out the door, it was late because the merge was in progress, thats why everything is late. there are a few flaws with the r600 gpu the lack of texture power for a start, dammit know all about and will be fixed in the next revision, if the shaders and texture units were clocked higher it would thrash the gtx hands down, but its not possible because the gpu will generate to much heat.


RE: Weak
By Pirks on 7/11/2007 11:11:17 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
...if the shaders blah blah... will be fixed in next revision blah blah...
another ati user mantra - IF it was like that, IF they did this, it WILL be fixed Real Soon Now, yada yada yada...

well, who ze duck cares about "what IF"? 2900xt is a card for losers anyway, hot and slow, why buy it unless you're an ati zealot? 8800 GTS 320 is cheaper, and runs most games real great, and there is GTS 640 for the same price and speed as ati but way more energy efficient, and there is mighty GTX and ubermighty Ultra that smacks ati and pisses on it. no, really, why you guys buy this 2900xt stuff? any sober reasons besides being ati lover?

I mean I could have missed something important here, maybe I'm wrong about GTS 640 and 320 - please correct me, where am I wrong?

ati losers and zealots can pass by, no need to waste your time answering me - there is this rate down link, see? press it and pass along. thanks, bye.

I'd like to see a sober answer from cool minded user who has no love or preference for ati and nvidia


RE: Weak
By Hawkido on 7/30/2007 3:24:38 PM , Rating: 2
Other than not really needing the uber card, I prefer to support the under dog. Plus my MB is ATI. Dunno, I would rather stick to the same manufacturer. Just little things, but, mind you, I am not trying to build the biggest fastest mean machine either.

Other than that no real reason.

If you are looking to build the biggest baddest machine it would be a C2D with the 8800 cards and all that or you can build one for 1/4 the price and refresh it 4 times as often.

One way requires more cash up front and gives burst performance with pricier tech upgrades (gotta buy the biggest and best to keep up, else you penis will shrink) or you can just be average with average performance and not have to do something deviant like look at someone else's wang when standing next to them at the urinals, just so you know how much PC hardware to buy to make yours grow.

Be a tweeker and make your system run as sweet as you wanna spend and be happy. But, don't even think to try and brow beat everyone into following in your footsteps. Some of us actually use our computers for work. We are not 26 living with Mom and tossing our whole pay checks at our PC's so we can pwnz at CS anymore.


Quad 2900XT?
By Verran on 7/10/2007 1:15:49 PM , Rating: 3
4x2900XT? That's 1000 Watts of power consumption just for video, and that doesn't even figure in overclocking!

I guess it would be fun to dim every light on your block, though...




RE: Quad 2900XT?
By VooDooAddict on 7/10/2007 6:45:32 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that a 4x2900XT user might also go for a dual CPU slot solution ... with dual QUAD cores. Gives AMD an 8 CPU x 4 GPU solution.

If the Electric wasn't already stretched ... I think the electric company should give out these monsters just like cell phone providers give out free phones :)


RE: Quad 2900XT?
By z3R0C00L on 7/11/2007 8:34:29 AM , Rating: 2
That's not 1,000watts more like a little under 800Watts.


Quad Crossfire
By xrider on 7/10/2007 5:38:44 PM , Rating: 2
It's funny how all the amd\ati fan boyz are all saying this is great. These are the same people who talk about value for there money and being so enery conservative, but yet they"ll go out and buy this setup. 3 2900 graphic cards, they''ll need 3 Mile Island to power there PC.




RE: Quad Crossfire
By Kim Leo on 7/11/2007 6:17:48 AM , Rating: 1
what a load of BS!.. first of all, how can you come up with this stupid claim that AMD/ATI fans are the ones talking about power efficiency?, that is an argument you can use if the product you support actually has a great power efficiency.. when it comes to graphics i really don't choose a side, i usually end up with nVidia, but have had ATI and i think of them both as great.. And you can't say it's all bad maybe ATI didn't make the gaming card this time, but they didn't pull a "FX5800" either, these cards have a huge amount of GFLOPS, and they are not entirely crappy at gaming neither, they still keep up, and have a nice price.. so please stop pulling numbers or facts out your asses..

all in all, i think it's ok to support a company, i support AMD when i can, but i have my limitations, if K10 is like the prescott, i won't support that product, and don't think anyone should..
I have an 7600GT and game at 1024x768, i have a 17" screen, and a 18" i use the 17" for gaming, plus it's a 25ms :o, but i'm still pwning in fear combat ;)


RE: Quad Crossfire
By xrider on 7/11/2007 5:02:48 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds to me like your talking out of you a## (if K10 is like the prescott, i won't support that product) you are double talking you don't support a product but yet you'll by amd just because it has its name on tge processor even if its not better. I also have owned a ATI card but right now thet do not have a better product. Are you getting paid to endorce there product? Once again are they giving away free decoder rings that I don"t know about.


RE: Quad Crossfire
By xrider on 7/11/2007 10:03:25 PM , Rating: 2
The Bottom Line

Radeon HD 2900 XT CrossFire is most certainly not a good gaming solution. It just does not deliver the kind of performance advantages ATI needs to compete with what NVIDIA already has in the marketplace. Sapphire has created a very complete retail package that would suit any ATI fan well and Sapphire should not be looked down on for the substandard gaming experience that ATI has delivered this generation. I would say stay away from the Radeon HD 2900 XT in CrossFire at this time; it just does not represent a good gaming value.


HPC Computing Platform?
By MetaDFF on 7/10/2007 2:13:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm thinking maybe the RD790 Quad CrossFire will be targeted towards the high performance GPU computing market, similar to Nvidia's current Tesla platform.

The fact that Quad CrossFire and Tesla both support up to 4 GPUs is an interesting coincidence ...




RE: HPC Computing Platform?
By ninjaquick on 7/10/2007 5:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
The truth is that CrossFire is way more scalable than SLi, as the number of cards that can be in the chain is basically only limited by the amount of data that can travel across the pci-express bus. At least thats what ive read.


RE: HPC Computing Platform?
By Haltech on 7/10/2007 11:10:24 PM , Rating: 2
Tesla is for Mid to large scale business computation/servers. But still you could consider it a high performance GPU>


correction
By Lightning III on 7/10/2007 4:43:57 PM , Rating: 3
shouldn't the article read singe and dual socket versions

not

single and dual processors

2 quad core = 8 cores + 4gpu's = high end workstation




RE: correction
By Anh Huynh on 7/10/2007 6:00:03 PM , Rating: 3
Two quad-cores are still dual processors, despite the amount of cores.


BTW 680i SLI
By aguilpa1 on 7/10/2007 1:28:25 PM , Rating: 2
680i SLI already supports 3 cards, 2 x16, and one x8 in the middle for your Triage SLI, 2 brute force pixel pumpers and one dedicated physics but you didn't hear that from me...




RE: BTW 680i SLI
By Spoelie on 7/10/2007 2:08:12 PM , Rating: 2
now let's count the amount of applications that can actually use that setup.

right.


Already been done
By Domicinator on 7/10/2007 1:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
This didn't work well for Nvidia, and it won't work for ATI either. There are not many people out there dumb enough to blow their money on 3 or 4 video cards. Would I like to have a 4 card setup? Sure, maybe if it was free. Do I need 4 cards or even 2 cards for my games to look great? Nope. 1280x1024 is enough for me, and my single 8800 can handle that just fine.

I'm also kind of wondering why they're bothering with this. I guess probably to at least be able to say they have the capability, but it just kind of makes them look pathetic since Nvidia already pioneered this market over a year ago.




RE: Already been done
By Spoelie on 7/10/2007 2:09:58 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't even use it if it came for free

too much heat, too much noise, too much electricity

gimme the cards and i'll sell at least 2, prolly 3.


Eh
By Aprime on 7/10/2007 7:21:40 PM , Rating: 3
Naked shot my butt - sorry, but that's purely a Photoshop.




4x Performance
By Martimus on 7/10/2007 1:57:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD claims CrossFire scaling with three cards yields a 2.6x performance increase. Two cards in CrossFire yield a 1.8x performance improvement.


From the performance claims for 2x and 3x, we could assume that a 4x Crossfire configuration will yeild a 3.4x performance increase, because the claims are that each card added in crossfire mode will add 80% performance of a single card in both 2x and 3x mode.




Of more interest
By Amiga500 on 7/10/2007 3:34:25 PM , Rating: 2
Will I ever be able to run HPC programs on them?

If I could access the FLOPS power of 4 GPUs in parallel... :-)

*Does Homer drool*




4 GPUs for nvidia?
By JTKTR on 7/10/2007 7:07:05 PM , Rating: 2
What a second, i thought nvidia can't support four physical cards, just 4 GPUs (which only works for only 1 card) right?




Heads in the sand
By xrider on 7/10/07, Rating: 0
RE: Heads in the sand
By z3R0C00L on 7/11/2007 8:39:37 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you that blindingly following a company is retarded.

But at the same time I must admit the ATi/AMD fanboys have a point. As drivers progress the Radeon HD 2900XT 512MB has been getting better and better.

It really goes toe to toe with an 8800GTS 640MB (It's intended competitor) now. HardOCP posted a one sided review where the games they tested where:
1- For the most part not popular
2- Games AMD/ATi have problems in.

Read this review instead: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/diamond_radeon...

Like Anandtech reviews it's VERY evenhanded testing more then a handful of games and settings. It put's HardOCP, Fudzilla and Falcon Northwest to shame (all three lying scumbags some making you think the R600 is godly others making you think it completely stinks).

PS - I run an 8800GTS in my P35 rig and two BFG 8800GTX OC Watercooled editions in my 680i.


so...
By ultravy on 7/31/2007 1:33:29 PM , Rating: 2
if ATi/AMD are smart they lunch his video cards once nvidia G80, and remerber the article "2900 xtx dommed from the start"




so...
By Gul Westfale on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: so...
By aguilpa1 on 7/10/2007 1:23:27 PM , Rating: 2
nope, just higher resolutions for the "professional" rendering market.

those things better come with their own power station and refrigeration unit and a sucker to buy them


RE: so...
By Lightning III on 7/10/2007 2:36:25 PM , Rating: 3
well it depends on which game and which api

if it's call of juarez dx 10 it already does with two no need for three

hell it beat's the ultra with max settings (hdr correct anti aa)

at higher res its within 4 frames at the highest resolutions

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029...

as for price two ultra's cost 1400


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: 0
RE: so...
By Lightning III on 7/10/2007 3:33:27 PM , Rating: 3
read the article stu boy

does two 2900xt's beat the gtx yes

why does it beat the ultras in (HDR correct anti aa )

because no 8800 series will run at the above mentioned max settings

so go change your green underwear and hope the high failure rate of the 680i chipset doesn't touch you

or if you want to play call of juarez be prepared to turn it down from the max settings


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/2007 4:35:03 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
why does it beat the ultras in HDR correct anti aa - because no 8800 series will run at the above mentioned max settings
no, it's because techland wouldn't bother to implement that technique in the way that works efficiently on both nv and ati chips. sorry to pour some rain on your ati parade, but once techland fixes that - the only dx10 game that artificially inflates ati score in dx10 benches will disappear, I'm afraid

then what would you do with your shiny new triple 2900xt setup, besides cooking your eggs&bacon on it of course?

slap nvidia users with it? maybe :) or use it as a paperweight, or (the best!) sell them to other ati losers, there are crowds of them around - just look at my rating going down - they are pouring in, whoooshhh... what a flow! :)


RE: so...
By Lightning III on 7/10/2007 5:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
I love it

all I have to do is wait,

the ATI gpu is more flexible and if you keep reading the review's after the inital release you can see the gap closing (driver optimization)

the HD 2900 series was always supposed to be at 65nm according to roadmaps do you think they aren't still working on it

and personally all my parts are eventually moved down to my HTPC so heat and noise is always a factor to me thats why I never run NVIDIA chipsets they haven't had decent thermals since NFORCE3

and that whole pay extra for substandard pure video crap moved me away from their video cards

and they never seem to play nice with my tuners either

any way time for the commute home I'll have to complete my tirade later

regards

];P>


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: 0
RE: so...
By Lightning III on 7/11/2007 8:39:57 AM , Rating: 2
well you should understand there are currently 3 dx10 games

one a game performance only api move (lost planet)

1. call of juarez favors ATI (and yes there is api impelementation dispute between Techland and NVIDIA)

2. company of heroes DX10 patch favors nvidia

all the reviewers pan lost planet calling it a poor clunkie port xbox console game

so nividia has a massive one game lead

aren't they also having trouble with vista 64 somthing about open gl not functioning at all

I will give you across the board best DX9 performace ever but I think its supposed to be a DX10 card where there is no crushing dominance either

which purchase is the most future proof is it easier to code with the ATI slant (call of juarez ) or the NVIDIA slant (company of heroes)

Its really early in the DX10 game to even try to call a winner


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/11/2007 11:02:45 AM , Rating: 1
in hardware winner today, loser tomorrow

nvidia 8800GTX/Ultra cards are 1) somewhat faster in general 2) somewhat more expensive because of that 3) came out much earlier 4) much more energy efficient

I call it a winner for today ;)


RE: so...
By jarman on 7/10/2007 10:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
does two 2900xt's beat the gtx yes


Actually, two 2900XTs do not beat "a single" 8800 GTX. Put down that red kool-aid!

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTM...


RE: so...
By quiksilv3r on 7/10/2007 3:35:13 PM , Rating: 2
I guess if this was 10 years ago you could play at 1280x1024...


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: so...
By FITCamaro on 7/10/2007 5:22:34 PM , Rating: 3
I hope you realize a large majority of people still have 19" LCDs locked at 1280x1024 resolution. Not everyone can afford 21" Dell widescreens with 1920x1200 resolution.

I just recently got a 22" Viewsonic widescreen with 1680x1050 resolution. Before that I was on a 19" LCD.


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: so...
By lumbergeek on 7/10/2007 8:10:12 PM , Rating: 2
So move to the USA. If you don't like it here, get the funk out. We don't need you. Don't let the border hit your ass on the way out.

And let me give you a piece of advice my father gave me when I left home: "Don't come back."


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: 0
RE: so...
By sxr7171 on 7/10/2007 10:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
Wow! You need to calm down.


RE: so...
By tes1966 on 7/10/2007 9:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
You lost me... Your mad at Canada because you don't know how to shop online?

Try this:
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=catalo...

With the 7% currency conversion it works out to the same price so what gives?


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: 0
RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: so...
By z3R0C00L on 7/11/2007 8:27:59 AM , Rating: 2
You are one sad little boy.
Why not get this drive instead: http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php... <--- Seagate 7200.10 16MB Cache SATA2 - $125CDN

And Canada is not a commie infested Bureaucratic hell hole. The country has it's problems but they pale when compared to the problems faced by many Americans (especially those without health insurance).

Be thankful for what you have. If you don't like the way things are going get politically involved and work to change things. Dissent is a vital part of a Democratic society.


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/11/2007 11:36:09 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Why not get this drive instead
because I want that samsung since I'm building silent PC. you remind me of some mac zealots who keep saying "why you like this windows app, there is this nice mac app, use it instead, who cares if it's different from what you need?"
quote:
country has it's problems but they pale when compared to the problems faced by many Americans (especially those without health insurance)
at lest in america there is a CHOICE, you can funnel all your money into insurance if you want, but in canada there is no way to buy decent insurance - it's ILLEGAL to have quality fast and paid medical service here, and 9-month wait lines for specialists are for absolutely EVERYBODY (except canadian government with their private clinics, of course). well, unless you pay a visit to the south, where these fast services at least exist
quote:
If you don't like the way things are going get politically involved and work to change things
yeah, right, soviet union was exactly the same - you visit, say, germany, see how people live here, realize that your country is a stinking noisy ugly pig house compared to that. then you come back and start telling people - hey, I've been there, would you believe how they live? lemme tell ya - and THEN they look at you, totally puzzled, and ask what kind of dope you've been smoking, don't you realize all people must be EQUAL, there should be NO RICH at all, money is bad, you have to live like government lets you live, don't ask for more, or, well, go to the local municipality and express your dissent... well, they'll lock you up in an asylum, 'cause you MUST BE totally out of your mind if you dare to say things like our country is not the best one in the world.

you know the word for that? it's called brainwashing

shit, this is something I totally DID NOT expect coming here. I escaped from commies, and voila! SAME commies here, whould you freakin believe this??? they tell me the SAME story here, that everybody MUST BE equal, paying your own money for healthcare is BAD BAD BAD, this is why it is illegal and it must stay illegal forever, and you should live the way our generous best in the world canadian government lets you live, don't ask for more, YOU CAN'T SPEND YOUR MONEY THE WAY YOU WANT, period. shit, this is EXACTLY THE SAME thing they were telling us in soviet union, I can't freakin believe this...

man, that's not right, and I found a bunch of other ugly bureaucratic things here very much like those in soviet union - like to get drivers license there's a wait time of about a YEAR (it's just a couple of weeks or so in California), automotive insurance is $300 a month here and just $50 in california, banks here give you some shitty debit card while american banks give you proper Visa check card - totally different level of service and convenience...

you know, it's like a difference between windows and mac os x, that mac users like to talk about - os x is like windows, agreed, BUT! there are these tiny little details in os x, and the devil is in the details!


RE: so...
By z3R0C00L on 7/11/2007 12:20:19 PM , Rating: 2
Wow... you need help.
Here's the deal. European Western Democracies as well as Canada have a lot in common. The United States used to have a lot in common with us as well. WE're all.. wait for it.. LIBERAL Democratic countries. The founding fathers of the United States of America were Rebels, Liberals and Patriots who wanted to be free from the Conservative Imperialism of England at the time.

How things have changed.

How do you have more choice in the USA? YOU DON'T unless you have a lot of $$$.

There are wait times in Canada for non-life threatening surgeries, but if you're life is in danger it's instant. In the USA, if your life is in Danger, Insurance companies often won't cover you (if it's too expensive) or you can't get treatment if you don't have the Cash.

The number one reason for bankruptcies in the USA is for Medical Bills.

Learn a little, I have seeing as I'm a dual citizen. America is a great country and if taken by it's constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights probably the best country on earth. Sadly this is no longer the case. Neo-Conservatives and Neo-Liberals have corrupted it's politics. So much so that Americans don't even know who to trust anymore (politician wise).

PS.. here's your drive:
http://www.laurier.com/index.php/Products/view_pro... <-- $140CDN
http://www.razorcomputers.ca/product_info.php?cPat... <-- $136CDN

Learn to do research.. both on your politics and your hardware searches.


RE: so...
By Pirks on 7/11/07, Rating: 0
RE: so...
By z3R0C00L on 7/11/2007 12:28:32 PM , Rating: 2
PS.. Automotive insurance in California is government subsidized (I thought you hated so called "commies").

In Canada.. it's full out Capitalist. But there aren't many companies competing so you're stuck paying $300/mth (probably because you're 16yrs old).

Also the $50/mth in California is what an adult pays btw (not a teenager).


RE: so...
By ninjaquick on 7/10/2007 5:12:22 PM , Rating: 1
A CF of 2900XTs are already more powerful than an Sli of GTXs, Crossfire is a faster and more efficient solution than SLi.


RE: so...
By jarman on 7/10/2007 10:03:44 PM , Rating: 2
Are you back on the pipe?


RE: so...
By CyborgTMT on 7/11/07, Rating: 0
Bleh
By Eurasianman on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bleh
By decapitator666 on 7/11/2007 8:12:20 AM , Rating: 2
Pity you are allready at -1, so I can't vote you down.


RE: Bleh
By z3R0C00L on 7/11/2007 8:43:48 AM , Rating: 2
Why would you vote him down? He has a point regarding drivers.

We've been seeing that with each new driver DAAMIT have been getting better and better.


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