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AMD has high hopes for its upcoming native quad-core design

When it comes to quad-core processors for the desktop and server arenas, Intel has pretty much had the market to itself since November 2006 (if you don't count AMD's Quad FX platform). Intel's quad-core processors were officially announced on November 14 in the form of the desktop-oriented Core 2 Extreme QX6700 and the server-oriented Clovertown Xeon 5300 series.

Intel has been using its quad-core Clovertown processors to grab marketshare back from AMD in the server markets and has been putting significant pricing pressure on AMD. "Early indications are that Clovertown is contributing a meaningful amount of business to Intel in a surprisingly short period of time. It's not marketing fluff," said Mercury Research analyst Dean McCarron.

Technology Business Research's John Spooner added that Clovertown "has allowed Intel to put some pricing pressure on AMD. Intel can tout a lower price per core, given that it's pricing much of the quad-core Xeon 5300 line the same as its dual-core Xeon 5100 chips."

AMD isn't taking this news lightly and is prepared to fight back with its native quad-core Barcelona processors in mid 2007. Intel's quad-core chips put two dual-core chips onto a single package while AMD's approach has one quad-core chip on a single package.

"We expect across a wide variety of workloads for Barcelona to outperform Clovertown by 40 percent," said AMD's corporate vice president for server and workstation products, Randy Allen.

AMD's Barcelona quad-core processors will be built on a 65nm manufacturing process and the company also claims that they will have the same thermal and electrical envelope as existing dual-core Opterons. The processors will also feature 2MB of shared L3 cache as well as AMD Virtualization (AMD-V) technology for x86 virtualization.

Barcelona processors will also fit nicely into existing Socket F systems and will only require a BIOS update for system compatibility.


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start the hype...
By livelouddiefast on 1/25/2007 4:32:56 PM , Rating: 1
everyone thought core 2 duo and quad was exciting... imagine how it's going to keep rolling in. 40% sounds ridiculous, but so did the preliminary benchmarks for c2d. I've got high hopes for Barcelona, and i can't wait to see if intel will ride out their c2d press (ahem p4) until people get that amd is beating them again. All that IF Barcelona is anywhere near the hype (I will undoubtedly be disappointed, i know)

I wonder if the day will come that we stop being so easily impressed with the amount of cores... 2,4,8...




RE: start the hype...
By Targon on 1/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: start the hype...
By Ringold on 1/25/2007 4:56:30 PM , Rating: 3
Which is in stark contrast to the full fledged Linux distro's and the ever increasing abilities of MacOS, right?

In terms of background services, yes, I remember when I could count on my fingers the number of processes being run by Win95 under full usage. I've currently got 41 buzzing away at the moment under XP. But if you compare the capabilities the two offer it is obviously merely natural evolution.

Linux could use a little more of that 'bloat', in my opinion (and their own opinion, those Linux users wise enough to recognize Linux is not yet a Windows killer for the avg joe).

More OT, though.. Eventually, the gains from adding a new core or two will be marginal.. 8 cores to 10 cores would be noticeable, slightly, but not like 1->2, 2->4, etc. Unless, that is, they keep being able to double it. Then it'll come down really quickly to software not being able to use more than x number of threads no matter how much you work on it.


RE: start the hype...
By Crank the Planet on 1/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: start the hype...
By SoCalBoomer on 1/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: start the hype...
By Pythias on 1/25/2007 10:25:41 PM , Rating: 3
I'm a pythias fanboi. So long as pythias has the best hardware, I don't care who makes it.

Now pardon me for talking about myself in 3rd person like a jackass.


RE: start the hype...
By Araemo on 1/26/2007 9:21:05 AM , Rating: 2
I like the way you think, and that's about the truth of it, though I don't buy the 'absolute best', I buy the absolute best that I can afford. ;)

That is often rather different than the best out there, since I'm not paying $800 for a CPU, that's about the price of my full computer(Minus case, monitor, hard drives, keyboard, mouse). Whoever can sell me the highest end computer for that amount of money is who will get the money from me.


RE: start the hype...
By stromgald on 1/25/2007 8:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
You sound like an AMD fanboy. Especially with all the 'wait and see' crap and trashing Intel for how long they worked on C2D. Actually, I don't think they worked on C2D for that long since they stuck it out with netburst so long that they had to come out with BTX.

It really doesn't matter how long they worked on it, all that matters is whether they put out better chips than AMD. That's the ultimate motivation for buying from either company.

Comparing a 3Ghz P4 to a AMD X2 4400 is like comparing a Core 2 Duo E6600 with an AMD FX-57. It's a stupid comparison because of the cost difference and the age difference of the chips.

The AMD/ATI merger may help AMD in the integrated graphics chipset market, which they've never had a presense in. But, Intel has been there for quite a while. The main problem with the merger is that ATI's discrete graphics cards are dropping like crazy. One of their major income sources (building integrated graphics chips for Intel motherboards) basically got eliminated in the merger.

Also, your statement that 'Intel' is scrambling for GPU experience because of Fusion is stupid. Intel is more likely thinking of entering the discrete GPU market because of the void created by ATI dropping off. Right now nVidia almost stands alone at the top of the graphics card market. Although the R600 series coming from AMD/ATI will help, I expect ATI to become a much smaller player in the video card market or bow out in the next few generations of graphics cards. Intel is looking to take advantage of that and possibly to protect themselves against AMD's Fusion.


RE: start the hype...
By edge929 on 1/26/2007 3:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
"Comparing a 3Ghz P4 to a AMD X2 4400 is like comparing a Core 2 Duo E6600 with an AMD FX-57. It's a stupid comparison because of the cost difference and the age difference of the chips."

In my experience of building hundreds of computers over the last 10 years, the average Joe looks at gigahertz speed over price and translates that into performance. So they automatically think that 3Ghz P4 will outperform everything from AMD 2.9Ghz and lower. You and I both know that's far from the truth but thanks to Intel's BS marketing, spamming that speed is king, everyone thinks the P4s are faster. You can thank Intel for AMD's confusing CPU naming schemes.

The AMD/ATi merger will do nothing but boost ATi's already impressive GPUs history. I'm loyal to nethier ATi or nVidia (own SLi mobo) but if you're calling for the demise of ATi, you'd be crazy. With no competition, do you really expect nVidia to "push the bar" on GPUs? Same goes for ATi. I hope a third party (Intel?) comes in to make mainstream and high-end GPUs from scratch. We all benefit from it.

From what I know, ATi was never a huge player in integrated graphics, that's Intel's arena all the way. Sure they had some, as did everybody, but nothing compared to Intel's sheer numbers.

I get a hard-on everytime I think about AMD/ATi's next generation of CPUs and GPUs. It's only logical to assume the next CPU from AMD will trump C2D (leap frog game) and will have ATi-only GPU speed enhancements to boot. Fusion, physics processors, whatever, it's all good.


RE: start the hype...
By StevoLincolnite on 1/26/07, Rating: 0
RE: start the hype...
By encryptkeeper on 1/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: start the hype...
By Adonlude on 1/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: start the hype...
By RedBeard on 1/26/2007 8:36:31 PM , Rating: 2
Nice parody post, your humor was not lost on me.

To the rest of you people who bought this flamebait need to slap yourselves, gimme a break.


RE: start the hype...
By piroroadkill on 1/26/2007 9:34:15 PM , Rating: 2
With 2mb of RAM it would perform worse than any 286 I can imagine.

That's 2 millibits, which is 2 thousands of a bit, or 0.25 thousands of a byte!

0.00025 bytes of RAM would be pretty lame, dude.


RE: start the hype...
By SexyK on 1/25/2007 4:56:28 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
everyone thought core 2 duo and quad was exciting... imagine how it's going to keep rolling in. 40% sounds ridiculous, but so did the preliminary benchmarks for c2d. I've got high hopes for Barcelona, and i can't wait to see if intel will ride out their c2d press (ahem p4) until people get that amd is beating them again. All that IF Barcelona is anywhere near the hype (I will undoubtedly be disappointed, i know)


Ah ha - but you've stated the difference between the C2D hype and Barcelona hype yourself in your post. We had C2D benchmarks to get excited about way before launch, while at the moment this "40% better" number is simply pulled out of the air by AMD. Sounds great and all, but I'm not going to bite until there are some cold hard numbers out there.


RE: start the hype...
By ScythedBlade on 1/25/2007 5:41:31 PM , Rating: 1
It's weird too. Remember when AMD fanboys STILL didn't believe any numbers when systerms were out? In fact, according to anand ... i think, intel was even underboasting its processor.


RE: start the hype...
By Ringold on 1/25/2007 5:48:53 PM , Rating: 3
I admitted AMD defeat when they ran a benchmark, I think at IDC.. I can't remember the details, but it was a common task. The AMD system they were using was balls-out OC'd, and the C2D system destroyed it. No point in debating it then. The margins were so astounding that even if they were doing something to introduce a little bias it wouldn't matter. Half the margin of victory still would've been crushing.

I think I'll take their 40% claim and divide by 2 for some benchmarks, and divide by 4 for more common tasks. That way maybe I'll even be surprised! :)


RE: start the hype...
By SacredFist on 1/26/2007 9:01:21 AM , Rating: 1
wow ... downgraded for a correct post?

Anyway, yea, many people cried "LIES" when benchmarks came out.


RE: start the hype...
By djcameron on 1/25/2007 6:08:05 PM , Rating: 1
Just think...someday we'll be measuring our chips in GigaCores instead of GigaHertz