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Hardware AMD Athlon X2 BE-Series Hits Retail
Anh Tuan Huynh (Blog) - July 13, 2007 2:00 PM
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Over a month later, customers can purchase the 45-watt processors

AMD’s Athlon X2 BE-series processors have hit retail. AMD announced two Athlon X2 BE-series processors early last month, but the processors were absent from retail channels. Over a month later, the Athlon BE-series processors have begun showing up on Newegg. Newegg offers the Athlon X2 BE-2300 and BE-2350 for $89.50 and $95 USD, respectively.

The AMD Athlon X2 BE-series, based around Brisbane, offers lower thermal ratings at 45-watts. Besides the lower thermal ratings, the Athlon X2 BE-series is nearly identical to the Athlon 64 X2 Brisbane models, with 2x512KB of L2 cache, 2000 MHz HyperTransport speed and AMD Virtualization technology.

AMD has only officially announced the Athlon X2 BE-2350 and BE-2300, clocked at 2.1 GHz and 1.9 GHz. However, AMD plans to release a third model, the 2.3 GHz Athlon X2 BE-2400 in August, with the same 45-watt thermal ratings.

AMD plans to replace the Athlon X2 Brisbane-based processors with Rana early next year. Rana transitions the Athlon X2 to the Socket AM2+ platform with HyperTransport 3.0. Rana will have a short life-span, being replaced by Regor in 2H’08. Regor adds support for DDR3 memory and compatibility with AMD’s upcoming Socket AM3 platform.

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OC?
By puffpio on 7/13/2007 2:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
In general do these low power chips overclock well?




RE: OC?
By azrael201 on 7/13/2007 2:50:12 PM , Rating: 2
does not translate if we look at how the lower wattage versions of AMD's chips (ie 3800) performed

until tested i doubt this will be a wonder OC


RE: OC?
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 3:27:08 PM , Rating: 3
Actually the new F3 revision of the 3800 X2's are clocking like crazy. UP to 3.3GHz on air, 3.8GHz on water in some places. 3.0+ GHz on air w/ a 3600/3800 X2 is actually very common. Considering a %50 overclock, id have to say that its rather impressive and that they do overclock well.


RE: OC?
By coldpower27 on 7/13/2007 10:52:03 PM , Rating: 3
Which aren't Brisbanes...


RE: OC?
By tdawg on 7/13/2007 2:51:47 PM , Rating: 2
I think it was over at the tech report where I read that they hit 3ghz with the 2350 quite easily.


RE: OC?
By tdawg on 7/13/2007 2:58:03 PM , Rating: 4
RE: OC?
By kenji4life on 7/13/2007 3:33:56 PM , Rating: 2
I have my 65w 4400+ at 2.8 ghz passively cooled (Just HS)
I'm sure I could get above 3 ghz but I don't care for adding noise to my system.


RE: OC?
By Comdrpopnfresh on 7/13/2007 6:44:05 PM , Rating: 2
I hope they don't overclock as crappily as the first 65nm x2's did


RE: OC?
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 6:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
The F1 revision didnt clock well. The F2 was much better, with the average around 2.6-2.7. The new F3 (look for CZBOX) is hitting up to 3.3 on air, 3.8 on water. However, YMMV, but it is very common to see the new X2's breaking the 3.0+GHz barrier.


RE: OC?
By jhtrico1850 on 7/14/2007 5:08:54 PM , Rating: 2
Aren't Fx 90nm while Gx is 65nm?


I'm so confused!
By 9nails on 7/13/2007 11:37:38 PM , Rating: 2
Why can't they just release the CPU as "AMD Good", "AMD Better", and "AMD Best."

I'm so tired of hundreds of CPU flavors, each with different pin and chipset requirements. Each with different power spec's and levels of performance. Ugh. It's impossible to keep up with all these different cores! Cities, lakes, rivers... What ever - I just want to check my email or play a game!




RE: I'm so confused!
By Omega215D on 7/14/2007 12:31:14 AM , Rating: 3
I would lean more toward the AMD Ultimate with the Hector Ruiz autographed CPU box.


RE: I'm so confused!
By kenji4life on 7/14/2007 12:11:32 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Why can't they just release the CPU as "AMD Good", "AMD Better", and "AMD Best."

I'm so tired of hundreds of CPU flavors, each with different pin and chipset requirements. Each with different power spec's and levels of performance. Ugh. It's impossible to keep up with all these different cores! Cities, lakes, rivers... What ever - I just want to check my email or play a game!


Well you need not remember the "hundreds of cpu flavors" as that spans more than just a couple year's time. I know Intel can frustrate with it's various chipset requirements with new releases, however AM2 is still just AM2. There's no chip that will plug into an AM2 board that won't work without a bios flash at the very most.

As far as AM2+, backwards compatibility seems to be a priority for this "new" platform. Even on the Intel boat, the LGA775 platform has staying power. 775 might be confusing what with chips that will plug into boards, and will not work.

Even still, for the most part it seems that when a major change happens, most people buy a mobo/cpu/ram in a set.

Much of the time, you can get the board for close to free or better with bundle deals such as that on fry's (although they usually aren't always the best boards...)

So I'm sorry that you're 'so tired' of it all, but if you really just want to check your email or play a game, that old socket 754 sempron and a decent video card from 2 years ago should still suit you just fine. If you're a hardcore gamer who is always playing the latest games at the highest resolutions, don't know what to say except stay informed and never purchase less than a week after you decide to. Use that week to research your decisions and make sure you aren't making a mistake.

The technology will continue to change, as it always has. If you don't like it, then sir you are posting on the wrong website.


RE: I'm so confused!
By aos007 on 7/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: I'm so confused!
By kenji4life on 7/14/2007 3:58:34 PM , Rating: 3
Sorry, I just don't see what's so confusing.

You want an HTPC setup, find a motherboard with onboard graphics and get a low power cpu.

you want a gaming setup, find a motherboard with lots of bells & whistles, add the latest ati/nvidia video card within your budget (of at least 100 bucks) and grab a couple sticks of ram

enthusiast? define this? enthusiastic about what? if the person is an enthusiast, do they really need someone telling them that this is the "enthusiast line"? I never met a computer enthusiast that didn't know how to figure out what processor to choose

you want a computer for checking email? anything will work.

Green? This sounds synonymous with "HTPC" to me?

Server? Who in the hell is letting someone make their server purchases if they don't know what to buy? Intel.com and AMD.com have plenty of subjective information about why you should choose them for server purchases. You can read that and then find more objective reviews even right next door at anandtech. If all this is too much for you, I've got some sad news: You shouldn't be the person purchasing servers for your company. They picked the wrong person for the job, or you need to do some 'light' reading on micro-computing.
Honestly though, if someone doesn't know how to build a computer properly, I point them in two very different directions:

option a. Read and Learn. Search the internet and ask people who do know. Be objective. Patience is important. With enough research even a complete noob can figure it out. Most PC magazines have regular articles showing how to build a computer and how to choose components.

option b. goto the store, dell.com, __insert other pc seller here__, and just buy one whole. The fact of the matter is that you can purchase decent computer setup with much less hassle and the same amount of money or less as the cost of the individual parts if you buy one whole from dell.

I know the world is cruel and cold. But survival of the fittest is still very much in effect. If you are unfit to make an educated purchase, don't blame the market; learn how to be fit. If you are unable after 1 week of research to make an educated purchase, you probably are not fit to build your own machine.


RE: I'm so confused!
By 9nails on 7/16/2007 9:17:47 PM , Rating: 2
You've obviously have done your homework and enjoy keeping up with the market. But you're also in that stereotype where I would put people who know what chip the codename "Brisbane" means and what the characteristics of that chip are. But not all of us have that sort of time, nor that passion.

I see CPU's under the major category's of "Mobile", "Workstation", and "Server". At best, there should be two chips under each of those major category's with various clock speeds.

Just under Mobile alone, I can find "Pentium 4", "Pentium 4 Mobile", "Celeron Mobile", "Core Solo", "Core Duo Mobile", "Core 2 Duo Mobile", "Core 2 Extreme Mobile", "Turion 64 Mobile", "Turion 64 X2 Mobile", "Sempron"... And I'm sure inside each of those are subtitles and nuances that are meaningful to the manufacture. But now I need to research 10+ CPU lines just to determine if a notebook will let my boss run the applications that he needs for the expected life of that notebook. Then I need to research video card options, RAM, solid state drives, wifi chips, bio scanners, cameras, serial ports... You might see where my enthusiasm peaks and starts to become frustration.

Now on desktops, I can find "Core Duo", "Core 2 Duo", "Core 2 Extreme", "Core 2 Quad", even "Pentium 4" and "Celeron" some of those some with wonderful descriptions like "Yonah", "Mermon", "Conroe", "Allendale", "Prescott", "Ceadar Mill", "Northwood", "Smithfield", or "Dothan". And this is just in the Intel family. Then I'd have to turn and look at AMD's offerings and figure out what in AMD's line-up competes directly against the Intel counterpart and compare the two... It's too many. Really.

And, no, I don't want a Dell! hahaha! Really, Dell's are fine computers for the office. But they suck for upgrading and make you pay twice as much for the options.


RE: I'm so confused!
By kenji4life on 7/17/2007 3:26:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You've obviously have done your homework and enjoy keeping up with the market.


I have done my homework, but I assure you it didn't take up that much of my time. Thanks for the recognition though.

quote:
But you're also in that stereotype where I would put people who know what chip the codename "Brisbane" means and what the characteristics of that chip are. But not all of us have that sort of time, nor that passion.


There's where you are wrong. I couldn't tell you what "Brisbane" means without going to google, other than the fact that I'm pretty sure it's an AMD chip. I don't know what characteristics of that chip are, either.

As far as free time and passion, I've got lots of those. I do find plenty of free time to be passionate about life between my full time college studies, part time job, full time girlfriend, and part time home-ownership. Yeah, I can admit that sometimes I don't get as much sleep as I should.
But I still do have 5 minutes to google "Brisbane" if I'm going to be spending my hard earned and sparse supply of money on it.

quote:
I see CPU's under the major category's of "Mobile", "Workstation", and "Server". At best, there should be two chips under each of those major category's with various clock speeds.


I agree. Although often the difference between the three isn't as much as I'd like.

quote:
But now I need to research 10+ CPU lines just to determine if a notebook will let my boss run the applications that he needs for the expected life of that notebook. Then I need to research video card options, RAM, solid state drives, wifi chips, bio scanners, cameras, serial ports... You might see where my enthusiasm peaks and starts to become frustration.


I see it well. But I must ask, are you being rewarded monetarily or otherwise for your efforts? If yes, my sympathy for you tapers off. I could find you dozens of people in a single day that would happily quit their thankless back breaking jobs, just to sit at a computer and research. Trust me I used to be one of them. You did say "boss" didn't you?

quote:
And this is just in the Intel family. Then I'd have to turn and look at AMD's offerings and figure out what in AMD's line-up competes directly against the Intel counterpart and compare the two... It's too many. Really.


Have you considered research based on budget, instead of budget based on research? i/e: figure out what products are available on the market. This eliminates a large amount of the research you have to do. Then find the price point where you get the most performance increase for the smallest dollar increase within your budget. Take all of the available options and simply research them. Forget about everything else.

quote:
And, no, I don't want a Dell! hahaha! Really, Dell's are fine computers for the office. But they suck for upgrading and make you pay twice as much for the options.


I could see why not. I agree with you for the most part. However sometimes their "base" system is a very good deal, from which you can purchase ram/video cards/monitors etc separately. This then becomes a good "barebones" if you will or base from which to build your system. Oftentimes dell has sales on these "base" systems which are cheaper than you can buy the parts separately. Of course, I rarely if ever do this; but I won't deny having a dell in the office.


RE: I'm so confused!
By Comdrpopnfresh on 7/15/2007 9:20:36 AM , Rating: 3
THOSE people buy a Dell


Hmmmm
By RjBass on 7/16/2007 1:51:49 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe I am just reading it wrong, or I don't understand the technology, but newegg as both the BE series listed at 65nm. The article above says their 45nm.




RE: Hmmmm
By wordsworm on 7/16/2007 3:25:55 AM , Rating: 4
45 watt, not 45nm. If this chip was 45nm it would take a great deal of thunder away from Intel.


RE: Hmmmm