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AMD's newest denotes four processor SKUs for 65nm, denoted in orange
AMD's roadmap promises you'll see 65nm processors this year, in limited quantities

AMD just released a few roadmaps to its OEM partners this week. The earliest partner roadmap from May claimed we would see 65nm Brisbane Athlon 64 processors in Q1'07.  The most recent update says we will actually see some limited quantity shipments of 65nm Athlon 64 chips in December 2006.  This forecast is actually slightly ahead of the announcements made just a few weeks ago in previous roadmaps and press briefings of Fab 36.

There is no word yet on the cache size, clock speeds or TDP for the new 65nm SOI AM2 processors; though we do know AMD will also launch a 5400+ rated 90nm Orleans processor about the same time.  The last time AMD changed process sizes, going from 130nm to 90nm, the change was simultaneously executed on all processor frequencies.  AMD deliberately has a relatively low clock processor making the first transition from 90nm to 65nm.  AMD has no single core 65nm AM2 Athlon processors on its roadmap at this time.

AMD 65nm Desktop Processor Roadmap 2006
Processor
Socket
Core
TDP
Launch Date
Athlon 64 4800+
AM2
Dual
???
12/06
Athlon 64 4600+
AM2
Dual
???
12/06
Athlon 64 4400+
AM2
Dual
???
12/06
Athlon 64 4200+
AM2
Dual
???
12/06

With the exception of the updated release date of 90nm AM2 components, the Windsor (dual core) and Orleans (single core) roadmap remains unchanged.

AMD 90nm Desktop Processor Roadmap 2006
Processor
Socket
Core
TDP
Launch Date
Athlon 64 FX-64
AM2
Dual
???
Q1'07
Athlon 64 FX-62
AM2
Dual
125W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 FX-60
939
Dual
110W
Now
Athlon 64 5400+
AM2
Dual
???
Q1'07
Athlon 64 5200+
AM2
Dual
???
Q3'06
Athlon 64 5000+
AM2
Dual
89W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 4800+
AM2
Dual
89W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 4600+
AM2
Dual
89W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 4400+
AM2
Dual
89W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 4200+
AM2
Dual
89W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 3800+
AM2
Dual
89W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 3800+
AM2
Single
62W
5/23/06
Athlon 64 3500+
AM2
Single
62W
5/23/06

AMD's roadmap also announced the 65nm Sparta core which will be used for 65nm DDR2 Sempron processors.  The upcoming 90nm AM2 Sempron processors are based on the Manila core, and should be announced on May 23, 2006.  Expect to see more roadmaps over the next few days as AMD has a lot of announcements on the way between now and Computex Taipei on June 6th, 2006.


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More new high end, pricing
By GoatMonkey on 5/16/2006 8:29:51 AM , Rating: 2
I want to know what the deal is with AMD's pricing recently. I built my friend a computer based on a x2 4400 back in October last year, and the price for them hasn't budged at all since then.

The trend seems to be to just add more high end processors and leave the rest of the prices the same. Same thing has been happening with video cards too.

We're almost half way through this year and prices have barely moved an inch. It doesn't seem like it's going to get any better when the AM2 comes out either. AMD is just going to push the same prices on us. Maybe Conroe will have an effect on them.





RE: More new high end, pricing
By Griswold on 5/16/2006 8:31:46 AM , Rating: 3
They apparently dont have to, so why would they. Plenty time to drop prices when sales start slowing down due to real competition once intel finally sells their new stuff.


RE: More new high end, pricing
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/16/2006 9:21:15 AM , Rating: 1
Intel is already selling its stuff. the 65nm Pentium D line is selling quite well, supplies are large since this was basically a Dry Run for Intel at 65nm, Conroe is the real 65nm Architecture. Have you seen the prices on Intel Pentium D's? If you match prices against AMD, you can get more bang for your buck with Intel right now, but yes to satisfy the AMD fanboys, AMD can get you a higher overall performance....... if your welling to shell out for it.


RE: More new high end, pricing
By GoatMonkey on 5/16/2006 9:54:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
you can get more bang for your buck with Intel right now, but yes to satisfy the AMD fanboys, AMD can get you a higher overall performance....... if your welling to shell out for it.


Yeah, unfortunately the tables have turned. The exact opposite could have been said a few years ago. There was a point where AMD said that they would maintain a 25% price advantage over Intel. I miss those days.


RE: More new high end, pricing
By Griswold on 5/16/2006 11:52:47 AM , Rating: 2
Look, it doesnt matter what you're yapping about intel prices. Things are crystal clear, AMD is milking the cow because they can, because people are paying what they ask. They dont sell at this price because they must sell at this price. Open your eyes, their fabs are cranking out the chips at the highest rate plus some extra - wouldnt be the case if they couldnt sell their product.

How naive can one be to assume otherwise?


RE: More new high end, pricing
By GoatMonkey on 5/16/2006 1:25:40 PM , Rating: 3
I agree completely. I used to be an AMD fan because they were the underdog. Now I'm glad they're still around because it gives Intel some competition still. But AMD no longer holds me as a fan. I'll just buy what is the best bang for the buck. And pretty soon it may not be AMD anymore. It's a sad day.


RE: More new high end, pricing
By Samus on 5/16/2006 5:52:45 PM , Rating: 2
so youre still buying pentium prescotts

right


RE: More new high end, pricing
By Samus on 5/16/2006 5:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
well theyre still in high demand

why would they change the price if people are still willing to buy at the current price


Crazy Thought
By ThisSpaceForRent on 5/17/2006 8:42:38 AM , Rating: 2
What if AMD is positioning themselves to do away with single core processors altogether? They would be left with excess capacity that they could put into dual core chips, which in theory should allow them to lower their prices. How low could you get the price for a dual core processor if you were building nothing but?

Thoughts on this crazy idea? It's only a matter of time before all chips are at least dual core anyway.




RE: Crazy Thought
By kattanna on 5/17/2006 3:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
im thinking soon all "real" AMD chips will be dual core

while the semprons will be the single core chips

for the next few years there is no reason to completely abandon making single core chips..i mean..a 3Ghz single core AMD64 chip is all most office workers or home computers really will need.

word, excel, email, web surfing....dont really need the power of a dual core



RE: Crazy Thought
By outsider on 5/17/2006 7:01:50 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you 95%. Dual Core is very useful for those who know what a PC can do.

However, 3GHz? Lets say 2GHz. As you can see, we're not in 2001 anymore. It would take 4-5 years for the K8 to reach 3GHz at the low end. Most of the advances in the immediate future will be on thread parallelism and lower memory latency (ex. through cache).

That said, I agree completely that Multi-Core will be like SIMD instructions are today, the default way to go. Every program that needs speed will aim to achieve it through multiple threads.


RE: Crazy Thought
By Zoomer on 5/19/2006 9:33:26 AM , Rating: 2
If you remember AT's articles about fab 30, it was mentioned that the sweetspot for best efficiency was to have die sizes of about 100mm^2 for each die.

Dual core cpus now are much larger than than that.

Toledo: 199 mm^2
Manchester: 147 mm^2

Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlo...


By Visual on 5/16/2006 8:08:20 AM , Rating: 2
you mean,
AMD has no 65nm single core AM2 Athlon processors on its roadmap at this time.
or no?




By DarthPierce on 5/16/2006 8:38:16 AM , Rating: 2
yea, hopefully... cause there clearl are single core AM2 processors on that chart


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/16/2006 1:34:04 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry about that, fixed.


Ah!
By Mortal on 5/16/2006 10:57:21 AM , Rating: 3
Don't read it! It's "confidential"! ;)




Spellcheck?
By shadowzz on 5/16/2006 2:05:51 PM , Rating: 2
"Intial" shipments?

WTF does anyone spell check the roadmaps?


too long to wait!
By JaredExtreme on 5/17/2006 2:31:33 AM , Rating: 2
I am definitely building a new rig this summer, and while I would like to go AMD, I am not going to wait until next January for the next gen AMD's. Conroe it is.




RE: too long to wait!
By Viditor on 5/17/2006 12:11:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I am definitely building a new rig this summer, and while I would like to go AMD, I am not going to wait until next January for the next gen AMD's. Conroe it is


Except that Conroe won't be available in stores until the Fall...NOW what do you do? :)


This is all a good thing!
By Hydrofirex on 5/16/2006 5:52:56 PM , Rating: 1
I've been planning a major upgrade for almost a year now waiting for technologies to come together... The moral of the story is: A) AMD is finally facing real compition from Intel, and from the looks of Conroe they're going to need to milk it now for as much as possible. B) I am an AMD fan, but I'm waiting for Conroe [20%!!!] - becuase ultimately I am the Fanboy for whoever has the best, or at least the best for the money (And, Intel seems to be doing both at the moment. And, after the last few years with AMD they NEED to.) C) This is all good. We've got Next-Gen processors comming en' mass through 2007 and instead of one company ruling the playing field, much like the OS world, we've got a good old fashioned market battle on our hands between rivals. Even if it doesn't seem like it, this is undoubtedly going to get us at least more performance faster as they compete to put out the best.

I would also like to assert that Video Cards have dropped A LOT in the last 6 months. The X1900's XTX's were going for $800 when they came out, and now you can get one for $100 less than the XT originally shipped for. The AMD X 2's have come down nicely as well. I can get a X2 4400 today for at least 50 bucks less than six months ago, if not closer to 100 less.

No, High-End equipment isn't going to drop into Mid-Range prices overnight. But the real question is, for gamers at least, what in the world is going on when you purchase a 500 VGA card and find that a new game can already stand up to it - if not shame it if you don't have the system to back it up! [Oblivion] And, the future games I'm seeing out of E3 do not make me very inclined to drop that kind of money for something that could very well be underpowered in 6 months! Which isn't even to mention $300 Physics cards...

HfX




RE: This is all a good thing!
By animedude on 5/17/2006 1:01:32 AM , Rating: 2
Thats 20% against last generation of chips. Next generation chips is K8L. So you like to compare something claimed to be next generation with competitor's last generation. I see where that 20% comes from.


What's in a name?
By smilingcrow on 5/20/2006 8:23:44 AM , Rating: 2
It makes sense to shift the Athlon brand to dual-core only on 65nm and let Sempron take care of all the single core duties. It keeps the product line simpler.
At the same time Sempron could be allowed to ramp to higher frequencies as it’s no longer competing with Athlon; it gains a dual-channel memory controller on AM2 which makes it a better challenger to current single core Athlons.

Intel will likely do this also with Conroe only being released as Core 2 Duo. I guess the Celeron replacement could well be Core 2 Solo! That’s confusing as there’s already a Core Solo (Yonah) which is a laptop part. Therefore, Merom single core = Core 2 Solo. I guess you need to know the processor number to determine whether it’s a mobile or desktop part. This is not exactly the clearest way to label a range of processors.

Maybe Intel will follow Coke & McDonalds and start labelling CPUs something like this:

Core Regular (single-core)
Core Maxi (dual-core)
Core Whopper (quad-core)
Core Bad-Boy (SMP quad-core)
Core Blimey (Dell have screwed us at 4P and are using Opterons)




Confidential
By ElJefe69 on 5/20/2006 2:42:02 PM , Rating: 2
What I like best about this article is the huge red lettered CONFIDENTIAL on the bottom of the picture.

moan.




Paper launch!
By hstewarth on 5/16/2006 7:52:10 AM , Rating: 1
Limited quantities announcement sounds like a paper launch to me. Sounds like a 2007 processor to me.

Any news on actual power settings..




cool
By sieistganzfett on 5/16/06, Rating: 0
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