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2014 looks to be a big year for CPU maker

With rumors brewing that Intel Corp. (INTC) may be delaying its 14 nanometer Broadwell die shrink to 2015, Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (AMD) did its best to seize the spotlight showing off a new roadmap with an aggressive schedule of releases for next year.

The biggest release of the year will arguably be the Seattle server processor, AMD's first ARM architecture design.  

The server market has seen significantly more competition from an architecture standpoint than the personal computer CPU market in recent years.  Yet ARM has yet to make significant inroads in this lucrative space.  Currently the server chip market is dominated by Intel who relies on the x86 architecture.

AMD has long supported x86 as well, and its x86 chips are well regarded among supercomputer builders as delivering strong multi-threaded performance and performance-per-cost, though trailing Intel's more expensive cores in pure single threaded performance.

Seattle will come in 8- and 16-core varieties, with clock speeds "at or greater than 2 GHz".  The chip is a modified ARM Cortex-A57 IP core, which AMD is licensing from ARM Holdings Plc (LON:ARM).  AMD looks to integrated a powerful ensemble of helper cores with the new die, including compression and "server caliber" encryption engines, plus 10 GbE networking support.  AMD says the core should be able to deliver 2-4 times the performance of the Opteron X-Series, its current low power option, while offering "significant" reductions to the TDP (power consumption) over comparable X-Series designs.  Seattle drops in H2 2014.

AMD Seattle
Seattle is the highlight of AMD's roadmap.

AMD also plans on offering a fresh server APU (accelerated processing unit) dubbed Berlin, a successor to the Opteron 3300 Series.  The processor will be AMD's most powerful core yet on the 28 nm node, which was introduced with the aforementioned X-Series.  It incorporates a new core design -- Steamroller -- and is expected to pack double the performance of its predecessor.

The on-die GPU could be useful for serving better graphics to virtual machines using technologies like Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) RemoteFX.  The processor also supports AMD's new Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA), which allows improved performance in optimized apps via uniform memory access between the GPU and CPU.  Berlin will land in H1 2014.

Also scheduled for Q1 2014 is Warsaw, a successor on the high-end to the Opteron 6300 Series.  These 12- and 16-core chips are designed for two- and four-socket systems.  They're aimed at high end clients.

All in all, it looks like an aggressive year for AMD on the server end.  If it can keep prices down, it may do quite well in this space.

Source: AMD



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Wait until its officially released...
By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 10:03:15 AM , Rating: 4
AMD in recent years has an irritating habit of promising high and delivering low. When its about to release its "oh, we had some thermal issues, so its not as fast as we originally stated, and it runs hotter as well". Anything AMD says for next year is complete vapor as far as I am concerned. If it comes out and is competitive with performance and power I will put it on my short list for server purchases at work... Until then, I completely ignore it.




RE: Wait until its officially released...
By niaaa on 6/18/2013 10:22:11 AM , Rating: 3
And that is true for client cpu's as well. The highly promoted Phenom II successors could barely beat their older brother. What a huge letdown that was, made me switch to intel after 13 years of AMD fanboyism.


By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 10:33:37 AM , Rating: 2
Yup... Every release seems to be like that for the past 5-6 years at least. "Highly promoted" until right before released then they back off and say - but the NEXT one will be the one! and its not.


RE: Wait until its officially released...
By StevoLincolnite on 6/18/2013 10:53:47 AM , Rating: 2
The Phenom 2 wasn't that bad, sure the IPC was a little lower than the Core 2...
But they were cheap.

And they overclocked fairly well, heck pump that NB clock to around 3ghz and you can increase the IPC by around 5-15% depending on the application without touching anything else.

And they were cheap, which is great if you don't need to be on the bleeding edge.


RE: Wait until its officially released...
By niaaa on 6/18/2013 11:22:53 AM , Rating: 2
yes, I had a Phenom II X4 965BE and its a great chip except for the heat. I think I upgraded too early for an I5 3570K...If I could I would have bought an AMD, but the current generation is just too crappy for games.


By JPForums on 6/19/2013 8:24:13 AM , Rating: 3
Both my Phenom II 955BE and my Phenom II 965BE clock to 4.0GHz without so much as an increase in voltage. Even at these speeds they run cooler than my stock i7-3770K and my friends FX-8150 and FX-8350. I suppose they may look bad when compared to chips of far lower TDP, but comparing to other chips in their category (thermal not performance) doesn't make them look too bad.

For reference, the Phenom II 955BE is cooled by a 1st gen Corsair 2x120 AIO water cooler (H100), the i7 is cooled by a Swiftech 2x120 semi-custom loop (H220) and the rest are cooled by a Thermaltake 2x120 AIO water cooler (Water 2.0 Extreme).


By retrospooty on 6/18/2013 1:08:27 PM , Rating: 1
I agree they are plenty fast for most users, but still not as good as the competition from Intel by most measures.

With few exceptions, this is the past several years.
- Sheer performance: Intel
- Performance per watt: Intel
- Cheap: AMD

Although performance inst that much better for Intel, and perf. per watt isnt either, the price isn't a huge difference either.

I like AMD, I had a Thunderbird with a VIA chipset over a P3 and I had an Athlon64 (and later an X2) over a P4, but since Core2 came out I just couldn't justify buying AMD over Intel for myself or anyone else I was advising... Even for a user that was broke and "every penny counted". In that case my advise was "lets see if we can tune up your old system and just keep it for another year".


RE: Wait until its officially released...
By Mitch101 on 6/18/2013 10:56:57 AM , Rating: 3
AMD just released a 5ghz CPU and several sources believe SteamRoller will outperform Haswell. Still Ill believe that when I see it and I suspect there might be a wattage tradeoff between the two but the next gen beating haswell talk isn't coming from AMD.

AMD gets a bad rap but they aren't pricing their line above comparable products from Intel either. And the last couple CPU releases from AMD - AMD barely said a word. Maybe there wasn't much to talk about but they weren't over bragging either.

Also in AMD's Consumers favor is processors that have used the same socket. Next generation CPU comes along you may not need to get another mobo and ram although it may benefit you in doing so because faster ram generally goes hand in hand with a newer gen processor.

AMD did manage to win all 3 game consoles but not much is said about that it all about PC's and nothing about winning the next 3-5 years of consoles sold. And if you look at the leaked info about the next generation graphics from AMD coming out in the 3rd quarter you'll see 30-40% performance increases. That increases in graphics performance seems legit if you look at the 7790.

While I agree AMD is almost 2 steps behind Intel in Processors you get a lot of bang for your buck from AMD and generally a cheap upgrade path of being able to upgrade just the CPU without needing buying ram/mobo every generation. Most people don't use Photoshop, Encode Video, CAD applications which is what most benchmarks like to focus on in their reviews. What do I care if it takes an extra hour to encode a video Im going to set it and go to bed.

You want to make the biggest impression on the average user introduce them to an SSD drive over a faster CPU as SSD's have a much bigger impact than having the highest end CPU. I bet most people would think a dual core cpu paired with an SSD is the faster machine than the fastest quad core chip with 7200rpm hard drive.


RE: Wait until its officially released...
By Operandi on 6/18/2013 12:17:16 PM , Rating: 2
Are we even going to see a CPU only version of Steamroller for the desktop or is tall APUs from this point on?

I ask because I think for AMD to have any chance of getting close to Intel on pure CPU performance scale they are going to need to use the whole die for CPU. Intel can get away with trying to strike a balance because they are usually a process node ahead of AMD. HSA is obviously what AMD is going for long term but I don't think its going to be much of a help in 2014-15.


By Mitch101 on 6/18/2013 1:38:02 PM , Rating: 3
From my understanding NON-GPU AM3+ socket versions 1Q 2014. Supposedly the last generation to use the AM3+ socket too. Ill have done 3 gens in an AM3+ socket mobo.

AMD needs to focus on profitability more than anything else even if they only sell mid level chips they need to make money.

To me the crown really gets you into the server market where you make real money. Consumers rarely buy the top of the line they buy somewhere in the middle. If the manufacturing is perfected the mid level sells out and they bin top of the line chips as mid level to keep selling chips and geeks win.


RE: Wait until its officially released...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2013 7:15:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD just released a 5ghz CPU


That number is meaningless though. If you make a 5ghz CPU that does 40% less work than someone's 2.5ghz CPU, what do you have?

A piece of inefficient junk, that's what.


By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 9:03:04 AM , Rating: 2
Not entirely true... If you live in a cold climate it helps the heat bill ;)


AMD isn't designing it's own cores?
By OnyxNite on 6/18/2013 10:34:04 AM , Rating: 2
Am I reading this right that instead of designing their own ARMv8 based cores (similar to how QualComm designs it's own cores, like Krait, on the ARM architecture in the Snapdragon SoCs) they are just using the ARM designed Cortex A57 design (similar to how Samsung uses the existing designs.) If that is the case then I'm extremely disappointed.




By lamerz4391 on 6/18/2013 10:53:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The chip is a modified ARM Cortex-A57 IP core


So yeah, probably not just the straight ARM A57 core, but also probably not as original a design as Krait is how I read it.


RE: AMD isn't designing it's own cores?
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/18/2013 11:01:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Am I reading this right that instead of designing their own ARMv8 based cores (similar to how QualComm designs it's own cores, like Krait, on the ARM architecture in the Snapdragon SoCs) they are just using the ARM designed Cortex A57 design (similar to how Samsung uses the existing designs.) If that is the case then I'm extremely disappointed.
Yes.

From the source:
quote:
“Seattle” is an 8- and then 16-core CPU based on the ARM Cortex-A57 core and is expected to run at or greater than 2 GHz.

As for the criticism in your comment and the follow-up op, I would hold off on judgement. Samsung has done relatively well with Exynos, I would expect AMD's ARM work to be no different. The clear advantage of adopting ARM's IP core is that it's a relatively good starting point and can still be tweaked at the process or design levels.

At the same time, you don't have to build from the ground up, so you have time to focus a lot on the companion units for multimedia, connectivity, etc.

I'd say at this point it's impossible to say whether AMD's ARM chips will fall short or live up to their potential.


By OnyxNite on 6/18/2013 12:05:04 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously we won't know for sure till the chips actually ship and can be tested by third parties but if they are using an ARM design and given they don't even have their own fabs anymore it's not a good sign. It is my understanding that Samsung intends to compete in the 64bit ARM server market and likely QualComm as well so if AMD is using the same designs as Samsung and possibly even the same fabs there isn't much to differentiate them. AMD is supposed to DESIGN chips, I'm all for them licensing ARMv8 but taking the ARM designs is very disappointing. As for Exynos I don't think it's sales are even in the ballpark with Qualcomms Snapdragon shipments.


By TheJian on 6/18/2013 12:22:39 PM , Rating: 2
They will be putting out a 28nm soc when everyone is pumping out 20nm versions?

FAIL. Welcome to even MORE losses. I expect a full 1B loss for this year (as consoles may make up ~$200mil, less than 1.18B last year), and it's looking like more and more another HUGE loss for next year FY2014.

All of these chips in 2nd half should show 20nm. This stinks of their connection to GF for wafer starts they MUST produce or get punished even more. So Intel will be shipping broadwell at 14nm when AMD is shipping 28nm still? And NV will be shipping 20nm T5's (along with everyone else) while AMD will be pumping out 28nm first socs...Ok, that's a recipe for losing money on ALL FRONTS. I really hope AMD gets off GF here soon, as tying to them for large contracts is apparently now affecting their entire road maps. BUMMER for us all.

Everyone will be pushing 20nm by july next year or before. This is not good. Richland just had the same problem happen to it. It shouldn't be 32nm and use so many watts. At 28nm it would have been a better chip. Is GF incapable of putting out 28nm in decent volumes or what?

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/GLOBALFOUND...
April 2013 rundown on how bad GF is and cancellations etc by AMD. They keep getting hit tied to these morons (er, um, well they were AMD morons previously....LOL) and wafer starts with them. ATIC has gotten so worried they sent some of their own people to help manage GF. At some point they will have to dump them if they don't start producing results. You can only invest so much before cutting ties is just SMARTER.




By ritualm on 6/18/2013 2:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
If you paid attention yesterday, Intel is likely to NOT introduce 14nm next year because of process node problems. It's already a given that Moore's Law won't last forever, but that fact is starting to hit home now.

Next year it's going to be either 2nd generation Haswell on the same 22nm node, or Broadwell on 14nm. Leaks thus far indicate the latter won't happen.

By the way, chip foundries are generally not money spinners. They have HUGE up-front and ongoing expenses to keep up to date on process technology, and they have to spread that cost over millions of chips every year to break even. Intel can maintain those foundries because it has a lock on the server/HPC markets, while Samsung has vertical integration. AMD doesn't have any of that and it can't make enough money as is.


By TheJian on 6/20/2013 8:38:03 AM , Rating: 2
I said:
"Intel will be shipping 14nm when amd is shipping 28nm). That is still true even if Intel is a Q late and ends up in Q1. So AMD shipping in what Q4 (I'll be shocked if GF is extra on time and hits early Q3)? vs. Q1 for Intel. These processes will be competing, which was my point.

I already knew about the delay. It doesn't change my statement nor the problem it causes for AMD. The soc info is correct also. You will lose shipping 28nm vs ALL others at 20nm and to top it off it's your FIRST rev even at 28nm. They have no soc experience with arm. Judging their past, I can't see how this is good. At 20nm they'd have a shot...At 28nm vs. T5/T678/Rogue6/A330(340? whatever they call next rev) etc etc...The tie to GF is screwing them.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/GLOBALFOUND...
April 17...It pretty well sums up the problems that AMD is tied to and they are ongoing. I hope their contracts run out soon as even the new one signed not long ago is still killing them. The Intel/AMD (cpu race being decided for years now) isn't as big of a deal as being 28nm in the exploding mobile market vs. everyone at 20nm (and probably at 20nm well before your 28nm). There's a huge chance to make a bunch of money in mobile (where intel is behind and putting your gpu in Arm like NV with kepler/maxwell etc may make you very good against the rest) but not if your stuff is in last place, runs hot, and chews through watts vs. competitors right?

I don't believe GF will beat anyone to 20nm or 16/14. So being tied to them is holding AMD back. The advantage NV/AMD have once their desktop gpu is in a soc in some form, is YEARS of driver and game optimizations the rest will have to learn (this is why Tegrazone exists and qcom/samsung don't have one-they're just learning optimizations - tomshardware Jan2013 article shows this, qcom failed 5/12 games...LOL all looked better on NV). But it's wasted if you can't put out the same nm as NV etc. You kill your own advantage with all others on a die shrink that allows them to crank up crap to match your advantage (never mind NV who has the advantage & the die shrink working for them). I hope you get my point.

Qcom hired 30 devs to help show off their tech, but we'll have to see what that produces in better looking games to compete with tegra optimizations or at least faster perf. AMD/NV has had teams in place for years doing this and already have great game dev relations with everybody. I really hope AMD doesn't waste this advantage. We don't need them BANKRUPT! The CFO already said they need a loan by end of year. With junk bond status, what interest rate will it take to get one?

http://www.zdnet.com/amd-amends-globalfoundries-de...
AMD still has a huge payment coming of 200mil to GF Dec. I see another 1B loss for the year and based on this news of more time tied to GF (28nm vs others) I see another 1B next year despite consoles which won't do much but slow or stop MORE bleeding, rather than erase it. I was hoping mobile might give a shot at erasing it. It's tough to keep losing a billion a year and NV will be raking it in on gpus until Dec with no real answer to 700's which is admittedly only 1 new card (780) and re-badges, but they're at cheaper prices now and some with speed increases vs the old badges (free games won't stop bleeding and hurts your bottom line). Note I'm counting the 164mil EXTRA loss they hid with the sale/lease of the austin land. They lost more than the 146mil they showed in the Q report. It should have read 310mil, but they sold assets to cover it. They can't do that much more (not much left to sell, fabs gone, land, etc). So they may show 900mil or something this year, but it's really with another 164mil on top.


<3 AMD
By BRB29 on 6/18/2013 12:01:46 PM , Rating: 3
AMD had posted information on how they are getting that 30+% IPC increase at one of their conference. I'm a bit skeptical about it. It doesn't matter, I will sell my AMD shares when it spikes before the launch anyways.




By Any14Tee on 6/20/2013 6:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
I screwed my motherboard last night, I decided to flash the CMOS and my luck was out, electrical surged from the mains tripped up my computer (fu*k!!) My worse nightmares were realised when system wouldn't boot up. Using wife's laptop BTW.
Anyway, despite my woes, I still love AMD, like Tony Walsh loves Apple.I love the old pioneering spirit of AMD, the whole debate about IPC vs Clock frequency was finally put to bed, when it was shown lesser clock Anthlon beat Pentium IV to a pulp.

Intel to be competitive had gone back to the drawing board, reversed engineered the AMD x64 and the rest is history.

Ironically you would have thought lessens have been learn, AMD does a Pentium IV and gives us longer pipelines in Bulldozerzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz/Pile et'al. Madness, 'why?' We need better IPC, floating points, not superficial high frequencies which don't always translate to better performance.
Despite my reservations in the direction it's going, I think we all owe a debt to AMD for making computing affordable. Many fine game rigs were built on a budget and I hope they can attract once more the true enthusiast that made computing fun.




AMD CPU Performance?
By EricMartello on 6/21/2013 4:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
AMD seems to be going with a nostalgia approach to their new CPU designs, where they're hoping that aging IT managers will want to relive the performance experience they had back in the Athlon days about a decade ago. They should call their new chip technology DecaTech...aged tech, aged performance. The fine wine of CPUs.




Lol, at the Intel fanboys.
By Mombasa69 on 6/28/2013 6:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
The FX-8350 more than stands up to any Intel in multi-thread games, and the new consoles are ALL AMD based, with Radeon GPUs, oh I wonder what game developers will be programming for in future, certainly not Intel, as PC games are mostly console ports, and PC is a niche market for gaming.

My FX-8350 will be p1ssing all over Intel from a great height next year, about time Intel were knocked off their throne.




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