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While the hype was high for this search engine founded by former Google brains, complaints piled on soon after launch

Cuil, a new search engine, was one of the hottest buzz topics in the tech industry last week.  A primary cause for the excitement was the news that the new search engine was designed by Anna Patterson, a former Google employee. 

After leaving the company this year, she developed Cuil, which was rumored to produce perhaps the first real threat to Google.  The search engine and company, which takes its name from Celtic folklore character called Finn McCuill, raised $33M USD in venture capital to finance its ambitious plans.

However, the hype for Cuil quickly turned south once users began browsing the site.  With massive interest, Cuil's underprepared servers were overwhelmed.  Frustrated users found themselves faced with a number of error messages, but no search results.

Reports one DailyTech reader, "I typed in www.cuil.com and this is what I got: 'We’ll be back soon...Due to overwhelming interest, our Cuil servers are running a bit hot right now. The search engine is momentarily unavailable as we add more capacity.  Thanks for your patience.'"

Another user reports that their Firefox browser ceased the page's scripts as it warned,
"Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."

Still other users reported seeing no warning at all, simply receiving a message that the engine "Could not find what you are looking for". 

Some optimistically believed that perhaps if the initial surge of traffic wore off; their patience would be rewarded by above average results.  After all, Cuil CEO Ms. Patterson had boasted that the site featured over 120 billion pages three times that of Google.

However, apparently quantity was not an indicator of quality as most users reported sentiments ranging from disappointment to astonishment at the poor quality of results.  DailyTech columnist Michael Asher remarked, "Out of curiosity, I tried the same and got no results.  So I tried just "HD4870". No results either. "HD 4870" (with embedded space). No results.  "4870". No results as well.  Site needs some work, methings (sic). "

Another user commented, "
Yeah I did a search for something simple. "Patriot Missile System". The results seemed relevant but it was missing a lot of popular information sites in the first several pages. Wikipedia, howstuffworks, and others. Google's results were a lot better. Quantity over quality is not a good way to go."

A few found a silver lining in the overwhelming problems.  Some liked Cuil's look which a futuristic black that some prefer to Google's white-washed background.  Also some liked the format that the results come up in. 

Says one user, "I actually like it. It started off rough this morning and it seems it is still having rough spots, but for me every search has given me back relevant results. There is the estra (sic) benefit I really like of it indexing categories for easy searching, I think only of subjects that have a certain amount of hits though. For instance I cuiled my hometown of Dodge City which came back with 3+ million hits that included the subcategory index. I think they under planned for interest in their site especially since it got promoted on sites like the Drudgereport which can at times crash the unprepared."

Some others point out that Google was a bit rough around the edges when it was first launched and gaining traction.

Meanwhile, Google remained slightly amused at its would-be-competitors PR disaster.  In perhaps a playful jab, its top listed search result for Cuil was not the site itself, but rather a CNet article entitled "Cuil shows us how not to launch a search engine".  As one Google executive points out, Cuil may think it has a one up by indexing over 120 billion pages, but Google crawls over a trillion pages, it merely is more selective about what it adds to its search pool.

In the long run Cuil's success or failure will revolve on whether it can redeem itself by producing better results and show reliable, error-free operation even under demanding conditions.  If it can do this, it can perhaps give Google a bit of a challenge, or even nip a little market share away from sinking Yahoo.  However, for near future Cuil seems inevitable to become the laughingstock of the tech community and a cautionary tale of concrete offerings falling short of hype.



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Not for me
By Chocolate on 7/29/2008 11:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
I think I´ll keep searching with the Google powered www.treehoo.com search engine.It works fine and plants trees for most of its profit. Thus I can easily fight global warming from home...




RE: Not for me
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2008 12:41:48 PM , Rating: 2
You do realize that a tree planted in a temperature zone exerts essentially no effect on carbon emissions. What carbon it absorbs while growing is releases back once it dies.


RE: Not for me
By JasonMick (blog) on 7/29/2008 1:25:52 PM , Rating: 2
While technically correct if you plant one solitary tree, I think your statement is rather misleading.

Its true if you never planted any more trees the net carbon effect would be zero. However, first trees typically have long lifespans if not cut down for materials/development. A lot of trees can easily live 60-120 yrs. Now if you plant another tree before this one dies, the amount of carbon you've restored remains.

It's true that if all the trees died at once they'd release a massive amount of carbon. That's why the rainforest and other heavily greened areas are called "carbon sinks".

But the natural process will not allow this and keeps carbon trapped or "sunk" in the forest through plant reproduction (new plants grow to take the place of dying ones). Similarly manmade forests should in theory reseed as trees die and keep carbon trapped.


RE: Not for me
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2008 1:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
You miss the point. Every tree planted by these projects will eventually die. If they're not part of a permanent forest then the net effect is zero. If they are part of a permanenent forest, then they'll simply take space that would have been otherwise used by a natural seed (over 99% of all seeds don't live to maturity due to overcompetition). Again...net effect zero.

Furthermore, trees also absorb sunlight. In higher latitudes, this more than offsets any potential carbon sinking they generate:

Study: Temperate Forests Could Worsen Global Warming:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/05120...


RE: Not for me
By JasonMick (blog) on 7/29/2008 2:08:23 PM , Rating: 3
Yes its area that could be used by natural seed, but that could be grass seed, or any other plethora of smaller plants that store less carbon than trees. While you could argue that natural mechanics would transform it into a forest if appropriate, and again you'd be right to some extent, nature can be overridden.

Case and point, artificial wetlands. Left alone they would not be converted to a wetland, but with human intervention they can form a working wetland. Likewise human-planted forests replacing grassy areas can transform an area in a process that would have taken nature hundreds of years, if at all to accomplish.

As far as your study, I suppose its fair to consider this, but note that this is simply one guy's hypothesis about this. He's using a computer model to support his information, a method you yourself have illustrated in our numerous debates is inherently flawed. Further from my understanding Professor Caldeira's model is not thought of as very accurate even as far as models go, and is unable to simulate current warming/climate conditions, without tweaking of many variables that break the historical modeling or vice versa. I'm not advocating models, but even by their standards, this one seems pretty weak, and hardly the means of basing such as sweeping conclusion as
$forest == "warming" on.


RE: Not for me
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2008 2:15:48 PM , Rating: 2
> "its area that could be used by natural seed, but that could be grass seed"

Oops, but if the ecology of the area supports grass over trees, then when that planted tree dies, grass will replace it anyway.

> "nature can be overridden."

Don't most environmentalists consider this anathema, something to be avoided at all costs?

> "[his model] is unable to simulate current warming/climate conditions, without tweaking of many variables that break the historical modeling or vice versa"

That's true of every global climate model ever written. Still, its far easier to accurately simulate the effect of one specific change to a single isolated small area than to model the effect of millions of factors, many of which are unknown, on climate patterns of the entire planet.


RE: Not for me
By JasonMick (blog) on 7/29/2008 2:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oops, but if the ecology of the area supports grass over trees, then when that planted tree dies, grass will replace it anyway.


Not true. If a full forest is planted, the tree cover will not allow substantial grass growth over forest growth. Trees are accustomed to growing under low lighting when the opportunity arises.

Its true if the soil was very poor this <could> be true, but in most cases the areas cycle from forest to grassland, without a real preference, though it takes 100s of years or more for this cycle to be carried out. Man can speed up this cycle and favor forest over grasslands. This might not be "ecologically sound", but it does work.

quote:

Don't most environmentalists consider this anathema, something to be avoided at all costs?


Depends on the type of environmentalists. I think logical ones would see some merit in it. Remember some environmentalists argue against preserving endangered species in zoos and via breeding programs, arguing for a "nature only" approach that flies in the face of reality. However, more practical ones generally support such programs. That's just one example, but it fairly illustrates that environmentalists have diverse opinions.

People (yourself included) tend to blanketly label "environmentalists" assuming them to fit nicely to some stereotype. In reality this is no more accurate than saying "all businessmen wear ties, dress nicely, and have a meeting a day". This might be true for some... but not for others.

quote:

That's true of every global climate model ever written. Still, its far easier to accurately simulate the effect of one specific change to a single isolated small area than to model the effect of millions of factors, many of which are unknown, on climate patterns of the entire planet.


It may be easier from a simulation standpoint but it leads to inaccurate conclusions. Without looking at many complex factors that are interrelated it's impossible to see how they affect each other obviously.

Like I said if you want you can use the model as supporting evidence to your arguments, but just don't blast the models I occasionally use to support mine as you have done in the past. Seems like you have selective taste in models...those that support your opinions == "good", those that oppose your opinions == "flawed" ;)


RE: Not for me
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2008 2:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
> "Seems like you have selective taste in models...those that support your opinions == "good", those that oppose your opinions == "flawed" "

But Caldeira used the same GCM code used by the Hadley Center and other major GW researchers, the same code the IPCC references in their AR reports. If that code is correct, then Caldeira is right. If that code in incorrect, then there's no reason to believe in global warming at all, and thus no reason to plant trees.

So which one is it? Either way your argument falls flat.

> "People (yourself included) tend to blanketly label "environmentalists" assuming them to fit nicely to some stereotype"

The type I refer to are the ones running every major environmental organization in North America and Europe. I'm well aware that many reasonable people consider themselves environmentalists, yet those people exert no control over the movement.


RE: Not for me
By TSS on 7/29/2008 5:18:16 PM , Rating: 3
honestly guys if youg going into another global warming arguement do it over instant messanging software. by now i've come to expect daily TECH to deliver daily global warming news, which is then disproved by another poster working for the same site (goodbye credibility).

and don't gimme that excuse of it beeing a "blog" and not "news". i checked "the latest headlines" when you click on the DT "Home" button. 2 links of all present where non-blog. if i kinda missed the switch from tech news to blogging community, my apologees and i'll be on my way. but otherwise, please, show some professionalism.

debate is good to have but these kinda long overdone heard it all before arguements are just gonna hurt the image of the site i'm tellin ya....


RE: Not for me
By Chocolate Pi on 7/30/2008 6:06:23 PM , Rating: 3
Bah humbug. It might be an old act, but I think everyone involved can admit it is vastly superior to any "discussion" on the subject going on in the typical media sources.

Given that the Masher & Mick Show is far from taking over the site, I think it's a fine feature that adds intellectual flavor to the site. If it bores you, it's fairly easy to ignore the comments.

I assume Kris is still hard at work on a way to sell popcorn through the internet though... Maybe some day.


RE: Not for me
By frobizzle on 7/29/2008 3:23:20 PM , Rating: 4
Welcome to the JasonMick and Masher show!
(Cue Itchy and Scratchy theme music)


RE: Not for me
By FITCamaro on 7/29/2008 3:26:59 PM , Rating: 2
You're free to keep thinking that "carbon credits" (which is basically what they're saying they do) mean anything.

You're also free to think that planting a tree will do anything to prevent global warming which isn't caused by CO2(assuming it is even happening).

Doesn't make you right on either account. But I guess as long as you feel good about yourself you can look down on the rest of us for being evil carbon producers.


slow loading...
By nugundam93 on 7/29/2008 11:49:34 AM , Rating: 2
aw man, i'm eager to try this out and the site's taking it's sweet time loading. i'm on a T1 line and it feels like on >14.4K dial-up while it's loading. :(




RE: slow loading...
By barjebus on 7/29/2008 12:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
What I don't understand is why they don't set up plans to obtain more bandwidth on request? Amazon's cloud service has been around for quite some time and will serve up however much bandwidth is required....and yet we see this all over the internet, sites crashing due to massive interest in something. It seems rather silly that no one has a solution to this.


RE: slow loading...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2008 12:42:41 PM , Rating: 3
Their bottleneck is the load on their index servers, not the bandwidth between the user and their web servers.