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News posts from Textbook Torrents admin Stoney. The first post is on the bottom.
Textbook Torrents removes 78 books from its website after receiving a takedown notice

While sites such as The Pirate Bay and OiNK have enjoyed the majority of content owners’ wrath, a number of smaller BitTorrent sites have existed out of the limelight, catering to niche interests. One such website, TextbookTorrents.com, appears to have attracted the interest of an entirely new class of copyright holders: textbook publishers. The site allows users to upload torrents pointing to scans and PDFs of academic textbooks.

“On Friday, we received a request from Pearson Education, one of the bigger textbook publishers, listing 78 torrents that they wanted disabled,” reads a July 1 news post. “While they are acting on extremely shaky legal ground, we are not in a position to fight a legal battle with the organization. As a result, in the interest of allowing the continued existence of this place, I have acceded to their request and disabled access to the listed torrents.”

The site makes no effort to hide its intentions, and openly implores users to contribute moments after they sign up. To that end, it is remarkably frank in its calls for reform in the academic textbook community – overpriced, frequently-updated textbooks are a staple element in students’ complaints about education – and administrator Geekman  seems to see Textbook Torrents as a kind of rage against the industry machine.

“Textbook Torrents has always been about more than downloading free stuff. Overpriced textbooks are a problem for all of us, and the remarkable popularity of the site should send a strong message to anyone with ears to listen,” reads a follow-up post.

The site’s niche interest has allowed it to fly under the radar of publishers’ lawyers, and even when the lawyers do come out their stance is considerably softer than the movie, music, and even software industries. Textbook Torrents – which says it is acting pretty much alone in its efforts to post textbooks online – has been able to act freely, enjoying the freedom of its niche status.

But with all the doom-and-gloom publicity the site has received over its announcement of the takedown – Stoney readily admits that he’s seen “thousands” of new sign-ups since the July 1 newspost – many are wondering if the site can withstand its predicted, future legal barrage. Textbook Torrents acknowledges that eventuality, and instead uses a fatalistic stance to advocate the spread of similar Torrent trackers before it’s too late.

“Nothing lasts forever, least of all BitTorrent trackers,” reads the follow-up. “We stand at the leading edge of this movement, and we stand alone … Were the site to be taken down, a unique site would be lost and [its] niche would be empty once again.”

Despite the grim outlook, Textbook Torrents doesn't predict its end anytime soon. The site still openly welcomes any content adhering to its rules, and it will continue its unusual stance of promoting members who submit new material over members who seed torrents regularly.

Update: Corrected a misattributed quote.



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Can someone tell me...
By Chosonman on 7/3/2008 9:04:33 AM , Rating: 2
What the difference is between going to the library and downloading books from the net?




RE: Can someone tell me...
By Integral9 on 7/3/2008 9:16:28 AM , Rating: 3
huh?... the net *isn't* the library?... I'm so confused....


RE: Can someone tell me...
By Chosonman on 7/3/2008 1:21:10 PM , Rating: 2
The net isn't supposed to be about the sharing of knowledge? Why was it created then? So someone can sell you a pair sneakers without you ever having to move your fat butt from a chair?


RE: Can someone tell me...
By porkpie on 7/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Can someone tell me...
By Chosonman on 7/3/2008 3:39:42 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Can someone tell me...
By MeTaedet on 7/4/2008 4:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
Master of caviling...

That the library is not the internet and the internet not the library is immaterial here. The person to whom you responding was merely asking why, if these publishers don't take issue with their books being freely accessible in the library, they take issue with them being freely accessible on the internet. In both cases they are "losing" money. Apparently, the "loss" of money is only meaningful if it is happening by way of the internet? (Those two words are in quotes for good reason. Think about it.)


RE: Can someone tell me...
By Spivonious on 7/3/2008 10:02:47 AM , Rating: 3
The library buys the rights to loan out the books. Just like the radio buys the rights to broadcast the music, and the movie rental store buys the rights to rent the movies.

They all pay a higher fee than if it were a private copy.


RE: Can someone tell me...
By Chosonman on 7/3/2008 11:23:09 AM , Rating: 2
So someone can't just donate a book to the library?


RE: Can someone tell me...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/3/2008 12:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
You can't donate a book without first paying for it.


RE: Can someone tell me...
By Chosonman on 7/3/2008 1:07:50 PM , Rating: 2
ok... and so what's the difference?


RE: Can someone tell me...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Can someone tell me...
By Chosonman on 7/3/2008 1:29:08 PM , Rating: 2
Let me rephrase my question... so what's the difference between a library and the internet? The sharing of knowledge? The donating? You seem confused.


RE: Can someone tell me...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Can someone tell me...
By Chosonman on 7/3/2008 2:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
I guess then the use of photocopy machines in libraries should be forbidden too.


RE: Can someone tell me...
By gramboh on 7/6/2008 11:43:47 PM , Rating: 3
There ARE restrictions on what you can photocopy from library loaned textbooks.

Sorry guys, but Masher is dead on here, no idea why he was downrated, he clarified the rationale for the book publisher wanting the torrents down (you are an idiot if you don't understand the reasoning). This is a clear cut case.


RE: Can someone tell me...
By Oregonian2 on 7/3/2008 1:55:48 PM , Rating: 3
If I go down to a Barnes and Noble store and buy a book at the cash register. Am I now legally bound to limit the number of people who may look at my physical copy of the book? If so, how many and how am I bound to that number? What if some only read one chapter and decide they don't like it, does that count as a "read" toward my maximum?


RE: Can someone tell me...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/3/2008 2:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
You're limited by the physical form of the book itself. You can possibly allow ten people to read it simultaneously, though in an extremely inconvenient manner....which is why the book is priced accordingly.

You cannot, however, allow 10,000 people to read a book simultaneously -- a figure very easily reachabled for a torrent though.