In both cases, customers must have purchased the hard drive as a discrete unit, as hard drives shipped with pre-built computers are not eligible under the proposed terms.
Cho v. Seagate was filed in April of 2005 by Sara Cho over claims that Seagate falsely advertised the capacity of their hard drives, overstating it by 7%. The nature of these claims lies in the difference between a gigabyte (1,000,000,000 bytes of 1 GB) and a giga binary byte (1,073,741,824 bytes or 1 GiB), as the abbreviation of “GB” is often used for both.
Seagate has denied and continued to deny both the false advertising claims and the fact that it has harmed anyone, and as of yet the courts have not ruled on the merits of the case.
Under the proposed terms of the settlement, Seagate will be required to:
The final hearing date to approve the settlement will take place on February 7, 2008 at the San Francisco Superior Court.
quote: Sorry but just because some lazy programmers decided that 1024 was "close enough" to 1000 to call it a "kilobyte", that does not change the meaning of the SI magnitude prefixes used in just about every area of science and engineering.
quote: The "computer industry" did not (and cannot) "repurpose" standard SI prefixes. Network connection speeds, interface speeds and media bitrates, for example, are typically measured using the correct SI multiples. The same goes for hard drives. It's only RAM and software reporting of file sizes / disk space that uses binary multiples, and it's about time that was fixed.
quote: Does the SI define what a byte is? We know them to be 8 bits (hence the "by eight").
quote: why should the ISO define how to count bits of bytes?
quote: I wonder if there is a better body for standardizing computer measurements than the SI.
quote: And those protocols are very much in use today (as I'm sure you know but TomZ above apparently doesn't).
quote: Unix filenames consist of an arbitrary sequence of octets, excluding 0x00 and 0x2F.
quote: The algorithm that is used for lines in between begin and end takes three octets as input and writes four characters of output by splitting the input at six-bit intervals into four octets, containing data in the lower six bits only. These octets are converted to characters by adding a value of 0x20 to each octet, so that each octet is in the range 0x20-0x5f [...]
quote: There's nothing "older" about those protocols. IPv6, for example, is so new it's not even implemented by most of the internet yet
quote: So if you call UNIX permission masks "octets", congratulations, you're wrong again.
quote: You are far and away the most arrogant and overconfident person I've ever seen posting on DT.
quote: I didn't really feel like reading all of your quite dumb posts
quote: The reason why people are mad over it is because if everything else uses the power-of-two notation then HDD manufacturers should as well. They know good and well how the OS will report it.
quote: U.S. customary units, also known in the United States as English units [...] are defined in terms of SI base units [...] most countries, including the United States, redefined their customary units in terms of SI units like kilogram and meter.
quote: The yard or the metre shall be the unit of measurement of length and the pound or the kilogram shall be the unit of measurement of mass by reference to which any measurement involving a measurement of length or mass shall be made [...] the yard shall be 0.9144 metre exactly [...] the pound shall be 0.45359237 kilogram exactly.
quote: 5. Seagate did not "break the consistency". Hard drive sizes have always been correctly reported (80,000,000,000 bytes = 80 GB), by all manufacturers.
quote: Hard drives are binary, each position on the platter is a 0 or 1.
quote: First of all, HDD's have nothing with powers of two. They are completely analog storage. They even have the sector storage much bigger than the 512 bytes we see (ECC & stuff).
quote: ...tell the ISO and the CIPM, and everyone working in physics, mathematics and engineering that they've been using incorrect terminology for the past 50 years.
quote: And then some people wonder why so many users complain that developers don't have a clue about the real world...
quote: And to say one is right and one is wrong is like saying that Metric units are wrong and Imperial units are right.
quote: I can see from your post that you are slowly conceding the argument, finally admitting that the industry has always has 1kB = 1024.
quote: Then I guess we can add "not being able to read" to your list of problems.
quote: many years ago, a disctionary would have defined the word 'gay' to mean being happy.
quote: Now it has another meaning. Just becasue something has a definition, does not mean common usage cannot change it.
quote: Since that specific area of IT is subject to the same standards as everything else, it is that area that needs to be corrected. Using the term "kilobyte" to refer to 1024 bytes is fine in an informal context, just as it's fine to say that a 1024-watt sound system draws "one kilowatt". It is not fine when making accurate calculations, especially of very large values (where the error will add up).
quote: It is only in a very restricted context (software display of file and RAM sizes) that the (incorrect) usage appears. And, even there, modern software is (finally!) starting to get it right.
quote: So ISO knows more than operating system engineers and all computer pioneers in the last 30 years?
quote: It's precisely to avoid having to answer such questions that there are established (ISO, IEC, etc.) standards. And, in this instance, the guys making the hard drives are the ones who got it right. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of authority and precedence.
quote: Computers should present numbers in a form that's consistent and in accordance to the standards used by normal human beings
quote: Justin, I also think you should read this Wiki article, since I think they got it right:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte
quote: 1024 bytes [...] Most software also uses it to express storage capacity. This definition has been expressly forbidden by the SI standard [...]1000 bytes (103): This definition is consistent with the SI prefix, and is recommended for all uses by international standards organizations such as IEC, IEEE, and ISO , with the abbreviation "kB".
quote: If this is your "supporting article" I think I can safely rest my case.
quote: Again, I'm not saying one is right or wrong or better or worse (frankly I don't care), I'm just pointing out that IEC prefixes are not commonly used, that's all.
quote: The "industry" already has adopted a standard, and that standard happens to be the one recommended by all those international organizations.
quote: 1 GiHz = 2^30 Hz = 1,073,741,824 Hz
quote: o A 4000 MB/s HyperTransport link is 4000 * 10^6 byte/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 2.5 GHz processor is 2.5 * 10^9 Hz (power of 10)
quote: o A 128 kbit/s audio stream is 128 * 10^3 bit/s (power of 10)
quote: o A PC3200 (as in 3200 MByte/s) memory stick is 3200 * 10^6 byte/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 480 Mbit/s USB2 link is 480 * 10^6 bit/s (power of 10)
quote: A 8 kbaud (56 kbps) V.92 modem is 8 * 10^3 baud/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 2.5 Gbit/s PCI-e lane (after 8b/10b encoding) is 2.5 * 10^9 bit/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 250 MB/s PCI-e lane (before 8b/10b encoding) is 250 * 10^6 byte/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 1 Gbit/s ethernet card is 1 * 10^9 bit/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 54 Mbit/s 802.11g network 54 * 10^6 bit/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 3.0 Gbit/s SATA link (after 8b/10b encoding) is 3.0 * 10^9 bit/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 300 MB/s SATA link (before 8b/10b encoding) is 300 * 10^6 byte/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 6 Mbit/s DSL line is 6 * 10^6 bit/s (power of 10)
quote: o A 2 GByte USB flash drive is 2 * 10^9 byte/s (power of 10)
quote: o Curiosity: a 1.44 MByte floppy disk is 1.44 * 1000 * 1024 byte (mix of power of 10 and 2 !)
quote: o And of course, a 500 GByte hard disk drive is 500 * 10^9 byte (power of 10)
quote: Why do people think that power-of-2 prefixes should be the norm when the only few places where they are used are to refer to file sizes and RAM capacity ?
quote: Wait a minute. You began this whole thing by declaring that what you now state is correct was wrong. The norm is file size and storage capacity.
quote: Also on the package it says 1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes.
quote: most consumers will assume that 1GB = 2^30 bytes,
quote: People failed to read the package and instead blamed
quote: Seagate (and all other hard drive manufacturers) have always used the term "giga" with its correct meaning ("one billion")
quote: I agree, however, if the facts were on their side, they probably wouldn't be so worried about a drawn-out legal battle.
quote: "Seagate broke the law" I am not disagreeing. I just see it as: The People pay for the courts with taxes.
quote: Seagate has denied and continued to deny both the false advertising claims and the fact that it has harmed anyone, and as of yet the courts have not ruled on the merits of the case.
quote: which they would have won easily; SI magnitude symbols are a well established standard
quote: A "Retail Hard Drive" is a Seagate brand hard disc drive that you purchased from an authorized Seagate retailer or distributor, separately as a Seagate product that was not pre-installed into and sold bundled with a personal computer or other electronic device.
quote: Name of retailer or distributor [...]I purchased the Retail Hard Drive identified above separately as a Seagate Product.
quote: ...Cash Payment Benefit equal to 5% of the Net Amount Paid.
quote: This is amongst the most retarded comment threads I've seen. 95% of the comments I've read have some form of delusion or other.
quote: [...] Seagate's reluctance to follow Computer industry standards. [...]
quote: Actually, NASA finally is since 1991 required to use metric wherever possible, however this has obviously not been taken seriously enough, as NASA recently (Sept 1999) crashed a space probe due to metric/imperial conversion flaws. Since then, metric usage has been "re-assessed", but it might take a few more crashes until they will finally decide to completely switch to metric.
quote: The mystery is cleared up. In 1999 the IEC adopted a standard [...]
quote: To receive the Cash Payment Benefit, your purchase must have occurred before January 1, 2006 AND you must provide ONE of the following: Proof of Purchase or Serial Number