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Newegg now stocking OCZ's Core V2 SSDs

In mid-August, DailyTech was one of the first to break the news of OCZ's Core Series V2 SSDs. The announcement of the Core Series V2 product family came as quite a shock considering that the original Core Series was launched not long ago on July 1.

OCZ's Core Series V2 SSDs feature read speeds of 170MB/sec and write speeds of 98MB/sec. The 2.5" drives -- which are aimed primarily as replacement for notebook hard drives -- are available in capacities of 30GB, 60GB, 120GB, and 250GB.

After a couple of weeks of waiting, at least one member of the new Core Series V2 family is available online: the 60GB model. Newegg lists the OCZSSD2-2C60G for $299 -- a $60 manufacturer's rebate drops the price down to a more palatable $239.

For comparison, original 64GB Core Series SSD (OCZSSD2-1C64G) is priced at $254 on Newegg. Like its newer brother, the older model also comes with a $60 manufacturer rebate which drops the price to $194. The older 64GB SSD feature slower read and write speeds of 143MB/sec and 93MB/sec respectively. It also lacks the built-in mini-USB port for firmware upgrades.

While it's great that prices for the original Core Series are falling, it should be noted that a number of issues have cropped up with the drives. A number of owners have reported corruption and stuttering problems with the SSDs on the OCZ Flash Products Support Forums and OCZ is currently gathering reports from owners experiencing stuttering issues and problems with multi-tasking.

Laptop Magazine also confirmed the performance issues with OCZ's original Core Series SSDs, while some are even experiencing the same problems with the new Core Series V2 drives (the new drives were released in Europe before making an appearance in the U.S.).



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Question
By FITCamaro on 9/4/2008 10:18:20 AM , Rating: 1
What are the warranties like for these drives?




RE: Question
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/4/2008 10:21:42 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Question
By Mitch101 on 9/4/2008 10:33:24 AM , Rating: 2
Wow. Not exactly a warranty that sounds like the manufacturers have faith in the product long term especially with a device that has no moving parts and should be prone to a drop test.


RE: Question
By FoundationII on 9/4/2008 11:13:04 AM , Rating: 3
A 2-year warranty is pretty normal really. A CPU or RAM often have similar warranties, even though they don't have any moving parts either.


RE: Question
By kamel5547 on 9/4/2008 11:26:13 AM , Rating: 5
Actually both products have longer warranties:

CPU's tend to ahve a 3 year warranty.
Most RAM modules have 'lifetime' warranties

But most importantly hard drives, one of the most failure prone (IMO) components in a PC have mostly 3 to 5 year warranties.

This all excludes OEM parts which generally have far shorter warranties....


RE: Question
By erikejw on 9/4/2008 11:33:35 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone seen a review of this V2 OCZ Core?
I have not found any.


RE: Question
By kensiko on 9/4/2008 1:35:27 PM , Rating: 2
Some of the people on the hardware.fr forum have the V2. It's not different from the V1, you only have 10% increase in performance.

I presently have the V1. It's great. It's a replacement of 2 SCSI 10k rpm drives.

Sure, there are problem with some Intel chipsets, but it will be corrected soon.

And for performance, it reads very fast, but write much slower than my SCSI drives. This is something to accept from MLC SSD drives. You can look at the other models of SSD with MLC, no one is able to have a great writing issue.

But there is hope. There a first example of optimization on MLC SSD. It's a software, called MFT ( http://www.easyco.com/mft/index.htm ). It increases the performance a lot ! But there are no test done on a partition with the OS on, and also no test with OCZ Core.

For now, if you want a SSD that will be faster than any hard drive, buy a Mtron. If you want to have a taste of SSD but doesn't have to much money to spend, try the OCZ Core, the Ridata or the Supertalent ones.

Silence is sooo great !


RE: Question
By kensiko on 9/4/2008 1:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
[...] writing performance...

instead of issue.


RE: Question
By therealnickdanger on 9/4/08, Rating: 0
RE: Question
By walk2k on 9/4/2008 12:21:53 PM , Rating: 3
If you backup like you should, it's still nice to have your drive replaced under warranty instead of having to shell out for a new one. These aren't exactly budget drives you'll notice! Over $3 per gig? I just picked up a 1TB drive for $0.15 CENTS per gig ($150).


RE: Question
By retrospooty on 9/4/2008 12:54:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... you HAVE to have a backup - if not, its no-one fault but your own if you lose your data.


RE: Question
By therealnickdanger on 9/4/2008 3:25:31 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, that was my point. A drive failure can be so random and you are so likely to have data backed up that a warranty doesn't really do anything for you. A failure isn't more or less likely to occur due to the length of the warranty.

BTW, these SSDs are a bargain compared to what enthusiast hardware was in the past. My original 36GB WD Raptors were over $250 each - that's $7/GB or $14/GB since I had them in RAID-0. One of my Raptors died in its 3rd week of operation and I'm glad it was replaced for free, but at the expense of my time, which was worth more than the drive.


RE: Question
By Alexvrb on 9/4/2008 7:19:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Hmm, that was my point. A drive failure can be so random and you are so likely to have data backed up that a warranty doesn't really do anything for you.
The warranty still replaces the drive, at least. If your Raptor wasn't replaced for free, that would be abother $250 out of your pocket. You might shrug it off, but not everyone has the money to burn. Generally speaking 2 years should be enough, but its not like the warranty doesn't do anything for you.

Although its not that important, I'd like to point out that your raptor cost math is wrong. Raid 0 doesn't double the cost per GB. You double the price by buying two, but you also double the storage. I think I see what you meant though, with regards to high cost of buying two drives. Raptors always were overpriced, and they still are.

More importantly, your dollar-per-GB comparison is irrelevant to the conversation because we are comparing current drives. I could pull $-per-GB figures out for the first consumer 7200 RPM ATA drives, if you'd like. If you're not comparing to other drives of the same time, then your numbers won't make much sense.

I would like to say that I really like the Core series of drives, and I'm not knocking them. But they need a higher capacity and lower price before they really take off.


RE: Question
By therealnickdanger on 9/4/2008 9:55:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Raid 0 doesn't double the cost per GB

D'oh! RAID-1...

I think the price comaprisons I made are relevant. There were much larger drives than the 36GB Raptors at the time and much larger drives too. The cost/GB of Raptors dwarfed other drives of the time, just like SSD does today. I agree that they are not quite ready for primetime: a little cheaper, get closer to the SATA-3G barrier, and I'm ready.


RE: Question
By Alexvrb on 9/9/2008 12:09:39 AM , Rating: 2
Compare the cost per GB back then to more common 7200RPM drives, and I think you'll find a similar cost ratio between the Raptors and higher capacity consumer drives, as you will when comparing Core to current drives. That's really all I meant to say. Raptors were too costly for most people then, and Core is too costly for most people now (especially if you want more than mediocre capacity and/or plan on using a RAID 1 two-drive array of Cores).

I guess the difference is that unlike with the Raptors back then, Core has competition, and both price and performance will improve much more rapidly in the coming year(s). Hopefully longevity will improve too as flash technology continues to improve, but much like with mechanical drives, you will get what you pay for. I'm sure entry level drives won't be quite as "solid" as their more expensive brethren.


RE: Question
By smilingcrow on 9/4/2008 1:10:42 PM , Rating: 1
"Does it really matter? No HDD or SSD warranty covers data loss, which is the worst part of a storage device failing."

Not for me. If you have a TB drive that is backed up and the drive dies outside of the warranty then the loss of funds is not insignificant. For a product like this with a premium price the warranty is much more for the value as for the inconvenience of a drive failure. Drives will fail therefore you backup your data even if the warranty was for 50 years.


SOLD!
By B166ER on 9/4/2008 10:04:33 AM , Rating: 2
I was wondering about these for multitrack recording, being that they seem less prone to disk based HD failures. Anyone have experience with SSDs for this purpose? How many tracks can be recorded at once, etc.?




RE: SOLD!
By B166ER on 9/4/2008 10:06:42 AM , Rating: 3
Oops, had I actually read the article I would've seen the inherent drive corruption problems that seem to exist. I'll save my money...for now...


Awfull random writes
By m104 on 9/4/2008 12:36:15 PM , Rating: 3
ssd's would be great if it wasnt for the random write times - sitting at around 250 ms - ur standard hdd has a random write time at around 17 ms. The slow random write times will affect such things as writing to ur swap-file, which could bottleneck ur running apps. If ur considering buying an ssd u should really read this first:
http://www.alternativerecursion.info/?p=106

in my opinion ssd's just arent worth the money until this issue gets solved




RE: Awfull random writes
By p3ngwin on 9/4/2008 9:18:14 PM , Rating: 2
you are advised to disable the swap file on your OS.

this is advisable on ALL SSD's.


Question
By chhimp on 9/4/2008 6:02:27 PM , Rating: 2
Will this work with the new dell 9?




RE: Question
By Mr Perfect on 9/5/2008 8:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
No, it won't. Looking at the Dell Mini review on Anandtech, the SSD connects trough a mini-PCIe slot.

It will work on any netbook that uses a standard SATA connector though, like the Eee 1000H and MSI Wind. A couple of people have used the Core series in 1000Hs over at Eeeuser.com with great results.


August 28 actually
By highlandsun on 9/5/2008 6:07:35 PM , Rating: 2
Most of the US retailers were listing them on August 28, which is when I ordered my 120GB unit. I'm a bit miffed that the rebates came out later and my purchase doesn't qualify. Damn rude of them.

By the way, mwave.com (where I ordered from) seems to have better prices than anywhere else, including Newegg.




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