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Sony's profits up thanks to digital cameras and video games

The PlayStation 3 had a bumpy start early in its life, but things are finally starting to smooth out for Sony. The Japanese electronics company posted a 6 percent rise in its quarterly operating profit, citing strong digital camera and video game sales. Overall, Sony Corp. said that its net income in Q3 rose 25 percent to $1.9 billion, with sales up 9.6 percent.

Hot sellers throughout the holidays were Cybershot digital cameras, Handycam camcorders and VAIO computers.

The Sony Computer Entertainment division finally turned a profit for the first time since the PS3 debut, thanks in large part to the reduction in manufacturing cost of the PlayStation 3. The drop in costs allowed Sony to cut the price of the console, further enticing new consumers to purchase the system.

Throughout the holiday quarter, Sony Computer Entertainment managed to sell an estimated 4.9 million PlayStation 3 console worldwide. Despite strong sales of the company’s latest console, Sony cut its sales PS3 target for fiscal year from 11 million to 9.5 million units.

Sales of PlayStation Portable, however, exceeded Sony’s expectations. The company is now revising its sales projection to 13 million from 10 million.

Sony steadily trimmed itself down for a return to its core business: consumer electronics. On April 1, the company plans to complete the transfer of its chip-making facilities to Toshiba, though Sony intends to remain involved in the production of the chips powering the PlayStation 3.



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Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By reader1 on 1/31/2008 4:14:31 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By FITCamaro on 1/31/08, Rating: -1
RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By cmdrdredd on 1/31/08, Rating: 0
RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By FITCamaro on 1/31/2008 5:17:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yes because your small group of friends represents the trend around the world. I've got 6 friends who own 360s. Only one has had a problem.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By GreenyMP on 1/31/2008 6:20:33 PM , Rating: 5
I am so tired of the "My friend had a ... and he ...". With 10.4 million, 18 million, and 20 million of the consoles sold, your friend is insignificant. If you would like to make an argument about the 360 you could say "Of the 18 million, at least 6 million have gone back for repair." Google the sources yourself. If you want to make a real good argument you could say that, "After one year (and a little) the PS3 is turning a profit. After two years the 360 lost 1.8 billion."

I am not taking sides, I am just offering up some reasonable arguments, since yours was poor.


By weskurtz0081 on 1/31/2008 7:36:52 PM , Rating: 4
Well, as far as I know, the gaming division for MS has posted a profit for the last 2 quarters.

If you are talking about total profit/loss since console introduction, well then both companies are FAR in the red. The last time I checked the Sony financial reports, they lost upwards of 3 Billion since they introduced the PS3.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By FITCamaro on 1/31/08, Rating: -1
RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By bandstand124 on 2/1/08, Rating: 0
By theapparition on 2/1/2008 10:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
I believe the technique is called sarchasm


By theflux on 2/1/2008 12:54:23 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Microsoft took a $1 Billion charge and admitted quality problems for something that isn't serious. Your anecdotal evidence proves the widespread reports are just internet lies.


By Slacker17 on 1/31/2008 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 4
You don't buy a new one. You send it back for repair and you get a replacement in return not a new one.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By DFranch on 1/31/2008 5:57:52 PM , Rating: 2
Why wouldn't they have sent it in to get fixed. Oh, your friends have $350 to burn must be nice. While I'm sure some people may have done this, I doubt a significant number of people bought a new 360 in favor of a free repair with free shipping both ways. Maybe a couple of percent tops.


By Aloonatic on 2/1/2008 4:45:30 AM , Rating: 3
A couple of percent is still a lot.

There are quite a few people who have voided their warranties through tinkering with the DVD drive firmware and such in the belief that their 360 was as reliable as their old xBox and have therefore had to buy new 360s.

*sits back and reads all the wonderfully theories based on a flimsy premise made up in the poster's own mind such as I think the PS3 can't make a profit etc etc etc*


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 8:11:57 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
It doesn't matter how many 360s sold total. Why? How many of those were replacements for a broken one?


Replacements don't count in numbers sold. Example: They sold 18.5 million total in 2 yrs, 3 million broke down and got fixed - They still sold 18.5 million

360 has the highest attachent rate for games (Seven per console)- Thats where the money is for MS, Nintendo (5 per console ), Sony ( 3 per console ) - not the console.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By dflynchimp on 1/31/2008 8:56:15 PM , Rating: 2
you forget that while Sony and MS are taking losses for each console sold (might be breaking even now I think), Nintendo made profits with each Wii sold from the very start.


By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 9:10:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah... and ?

I never disputed that !

In fact Nintendo is now once again worth more then Sony - which is pathetic for Sony who has many other sources of income compared to Nintendo which sells handhelds and consoles.. Of course neither is near MS net worth....


By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 9:15:09 PM , Rating: 2
But I would like to add it also shows that having more consoles out there as Nintendo does.. doesnt equate to most games per console.. as some Sony fans would argue that more consoles out there is more games sold, but games sold is not same as games per console.. Nintendo Wii has some big sellers like 360 ( as far as a games sales.. like millions per game ).. but to have people buying alot of different games per console says ( despite what Sony fans say ) that 360 owners have a choice of good games..


By bandstand124 on 2/1/2008 7:21:37 AM , Rating: 4
They haven't sold 18.5 million, they have shipped 17.7 million.

And for a game developer to calculate the likelihood of a particular system owners to buy a game it is:

(attach rate / months on market) * 12 = games sold per year

Even that isn't very effective.

If you do the numbers you will see that PS3 owners buy the same amount of games over the same time period as 360 owners (even more so in Europe where the PS3 hasn't been out a year).

(7 / 24) * 12 = 3.5 a year

(3 / 12) * 12 = 3 a year (JAPAN/USA)

(3 / 9) * 12 = 4 a year (EUROPE)

As you can see, nothing here to worry a game developer.

Higher installed base does give an advantage to the PS3 in Japan and Europe (very soon) and to the 360 in USA.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By tallcool1 on 2/1/2008 9:25:22 AM , Rating: 2
From another news site:
quote:
During the time frame of October to December, the third quarter of Sony's fiscal year, Sony sold 4.9 million PS3 units and 5.76 million PSPs. It also sold 26 million PS3 games.

That gives the PS3 an attachment rate of 5.3 games (per console) based off this data.


By wallijonn on 2/1/2008 11:27:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
During the time frame of October to December, the third quarter of Sony's fiscal year, Sony sold 4.9 million PS3 units and 5.76 million PSPs. It also sold 26 million PS3 games.


quote:
That gives the PS3 an attachment rate of 5.3 games (per console) based off this data.


No. That 26 million (a number which I doubt is correct) PS3 games is across the total number of existent PS3s. Or do you think that 1] every one who already had a PS3 didn't buy any games or 2] everyone who bought a console bought 5 games at the same time?

Just the idea that not everyone who has a PS3 has bought a game for it, preferring to use it strictly, or mainly, as a Blu-Ray player would decrease the game attach rate. I rent my games and 95% of the time I just watch movies.


By Spivonious on 2/1/2008 9:04:20 AM , Rating: 2
Why would someone buy a new 360 when they can send in the broken one to be fixed for free?

And no, warranty replacements do not count as sales.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By TerranMagistrate on 1/31/2008 4:57:30 PM , Rating: 5
Don't forget to mention that the PS3 sold and is selling more that the 360 did during the same time frame following their respective launches. Let's not even talk about the fact the vast majority of highly anticipated exclusives for the PS3 aren't even out yet while arguably the Xbox 360 blew its load with Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock etc last year.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 8:16:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, lets not forget about the Sony Exlcusives that were supposed to rock the world and ended up on both consoles, " Assasins Creed, DMC4, and several others, among future titles will will probably end up not exclusive..

That being said PS3 still in last place in games per console, behind Nintendo's five per console and 3 60's seven per console .


By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 9:29:34 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah.. Unreal Tournament = both consoles


By TerranMagistrate on 1/31/2008 9:55:02 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, lets not forget about the Sony Exlcusives that were supposed to rock the world and ended up on both consoles, " Assasins Creed, DMC4, and several others, among future titles will will probably end up not exclusive..

Hey, that works both ways: 360 lost its share likewise such as Oblivion, Lost Planet, UT3,etc.

That being said PS3 still in last place in games per console, behind Nintendo's five per console and 3 60's seven per console .

No worries. Times change and this article is a testament to that.


By bandstand124 on 2/1/2008 7:26:43 AM , Rating: 2
Games sold per console over a year:

360 = 3.5
PS3 = 3(USA)/4(EURO)
Nintendo = 5


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Malhavoc on 1/31/2008 5:47:40 PM , Rating: 3
Your argument holds little weight this early (early for PS3) in the current generation. Comparing this to the PS2 and original Xbox is the most ridiculous thing ever heard. Two years into Xbox sure I'd have accepted that argument, but in that generation I'm sure there was huge gaps for any given time frame.

Comparing their sales over a given timeframe or a specific time since launch will matter for awhile yet. I would be interested in seeing the same numbers for both consoles as Sony posted them.

Total consoles do matter greatly as you've mentioned, but as with any similar product, someone can always catch up. Just look at Wii (20 million plus).

Smart companies will also take care of 10 million PS3 owners, and 37 million other current generation console owners.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 8:23:26 PM , Rating: 1
I also think the market has changed alot.

There is now much more competition then when Sony released PS-1 and was able to entice (steal) developers away from Nintendo 'cartridges' to the more profit friendly 60 cent cd (more profit margin) .. to the PS2 which had a cartridged Nintendo 64 for a bit then Gamecube ( was too late ) .. Developers are more greedy now and the days of developing for one single console are ending ..

MS and Nintendo will likely have new consoles within 3yrs forcing Sony to come out with a replacement sooner - As where before they had no competition and could essentially milk every ounce out of it. If Blu-ray survives look for other consoles to have it from MS, Nintendo pretty much letting Sony do all the work now. I'd expect downloads to become more and more a standard though for movies, games..


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By TerranMagistrate on 1/31/2008 10:08:16 PM , Rating: 4
MS and Nintendo will likely have new consoles within 3yrs forcing Sony to come out with a replacement sooner -

Why do you xbots keep bring up this flawed notion? The Wii has only been out a little more than a year with sales not looking to slow down anytime soon so naturally Nintendo will stick with the console for a long time.

As for Microsoft, they've stated their goal of eventually having an installed based of 60-90 million 360s before the end of its life cycle. Clearly they have a long way to go with that lofty goal. Judging from total units sold in '07, MS will need plenty more than 3 years to attain those numbers.

But hey, believe what you want to, but try to be at least a bit more realistic.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By DingieM on 2/1/2008 3:32:43 AM , Rating: 2
I think ViperROhb34's believes are correct.

Frankly, I really think in about 3 years MS will come with a new console, but then I do think they will still support the Xbox360 for a longer time. Better then with the Xbox1 dropping its support with the new console. End of 2011 the Xbox360 will be 6 years in the market, it will be really time, technically AND economically, for a new much more advanced console.
Sony had somehow proven that longer support for old generation console (PS2) had its merit. BUT this was also because the PS2 was so popular.
BUT, things are always changing and there is much more competition now.

MS chose early market penetration for the cost of malfunctioning devices. Sad but true.
On a side-note: my Xbox360 NEVER broke down and enjoyed it immensely.
MS did loose the trust of the customers due to the breakdowns and the noises from the machine. But functionality-wise, it is a hell of a gaming console, and probably the best balanced architecture suited for gaming (also due to its great programmability).


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By mars777 on 2/1/2008 5:05:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Frankly, I really think in about 3 years MS will come with a new console


I share the thought

quote:
but then I do think they will still support the Xbox360 for a longer time


No way... it will be the same as the Xbox 1


By Topweasel on 2/1/2008 7:57:06 AM , Rating: 2
The Biggest reason that Microsoft couldn't support the original Xbox games and the system better was actually due to Nvidia.

Intel was always lowering the price on the CPU, memory and HDD prices where going down all of the time. But Nvidia refused to lower the price on the video card. This drove Microsoft to cut the Xbox off as soon as the new machine came out, and due to needing to pay Nvidia royalties for emulation we got limited backward compatibility. The Own the CPU and GPU design now and therefore can include emulation in the next system for free they can also continue to shrink the system and save on production. Wait till the PS4 comes out since Sony had been doing the video side prior to this, they got themselves in a nice hole now with having basically the same contract Microsoft had with Nvidia.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By robinthakur on 2/1/2008 6:18:54 AM , Rating: 2
MS don't stand a hope in hell of selling 80-90million 360's, not a hope! They are considering the PS2/PS1 as the benchmark for a successful system with enough critical mass to stay current and profitable long after its specs become dated. Plainly put, 360 does not have the ubiquity of the PS2 or the variety and volume of games, nor the worldwide popularity. Most people who wanted a 360 and didn't already have one bought it thanks to the Halo 3 marketing spend, I don't anticipate them to sell in such numbers again unless a new Halo launches. They have Nintendo out in the lead completely killing the competition as they used to do, and they have Sony competing in the same space with a machine which is widely *perceived* by everybody not on Dailytech to be superior technologically thanks to the Cell marketing and Blu-ray support (the psychological effect of Blu ray winning has had a big impact I believe and would have been disasterous on the PS3 if it had swung the other way) While the number of PS3 exclusives has dwindled, they have not gone exclusively to 360 either, so I don't think that is really a massive win.

When it comes time for the next generation, expect the 360 to be dumped without regret by MS with some promised backwards compatibility to make you feel slightly better. 360 has a remaining 1-2 years max left in the lifecycle IMO before it gets refreshed. Having said that, I would have said that the original Xbox1 could have gone on for a lot longer than it did as it was the technological leader in the last generation. This fact alone did not help ensure its survival.


By pomaikai on 2/1/2008 10:26:15 AM , Rating: 2
Even though the xbox was the technology leader it could not compete with the user base of the PS2. Simply put Sony had to much power with game development because of the userbase. MS realized this and needed fresh start with a new console. As time goes on consoles sell more and more. As the prices come down systems become within reach of more people. It also become within reach for people to have multiple consoles. With the media capability of both 360 and ps3 it is likely that people would want one for each room of there house. I would like to pickup the 360 arcade version so I can stream movies to my bedroom as well as my living room. I can easily see the 360 hitting 80-90 million.


By bandstand124 on 2/1/2008 7:32:43 AM , Rating: 2
You develop a games console which cost you a f**k ton of cash. You sell it at a loss, costs another f**k ton. Stage three, sell loads of games and get the cost to manufacture down.

360 hasn't reached stage three and when it does it will want to spend a long time there before going to a new console. If they fail to this then their overall loss will go up from $6 billion to God knows what.

Nintendo could bring out a new console but why woud they want to? The one they have is selling brilliantly.

Also if MS releas a new console then they might find themselves in a Xbox/PS2 situation again against the cheaper and rounded PS3.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By SavagePotato on 1/31/2008 6:15:34 PM , Rating: 1
So lets see, after one year the ps3 has sold 10.49 million units.

the 360 after two years has sold 18 million.

Sounds like the ps3 is doing better. If sales remain identical it will sell aproximately 20 million by it's second year surpassing the 360.

That's assuming it does the same, the way sales have picked up and taking into account further price drops and good 2008 exclusives sales may well increase.


By bandstand124 on 2/1/2008 7:35:06 AM , Rating: 2
MS has shipped 18 million. Your point is even more effective.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Bigjee on 1/31/2008 6:51:22 PM , Rating: 1
Here's something that matters more:

The total number of consoles that are selling worldwide (including the PS3 and 360 only) And the winner is ....

Catering to the world is far more important than catering to just the N.American clientelle. The Ps3 is back online and with SCE turning a profit; all i can say is "Let the games begin :D "


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By weskurtz0081 on 1/31/2008 7:51:54 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt the PS3 is making a profit yet, but rather it's just losing MUCH less than before, and little enough to make the Sony entertainment division profitable again.

But, that division making money again is a good sign for the coming months, Sony investors, and the company in general. They have been making progress.


By treehugger87 on 1/31/2008 9:04:43 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, everyone needs to stop making the assumption that SCEA turning a profit means the PS3 its turning a profit. However it is a good indicator that the PS3 will continue its trend of"success" at its lower price point.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Chaser on 1/31/2008 7:35:16 PM , Rating: 3
I'm sure you were saying the same thing when the 360 was at 10 million also.

PS3 sales are a worldwide number rather than the mostly U.S. centric 360. Point being the PS3 has much more room to grow as it clearly is. Not to mention how well Blue Ray is doing as well worldwide. They are working together to usher each other in. Rather than some last minute disc add on that bombed with it.

Enjoy your crow.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 8:25:45 PM , Rating: 4
Bluray doing well ?

More like Bluray doing better then HD-DVD, but NEITHER FORMAT IS DOING WELL.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By ViperROhb34 on 1/31/2008 8:40:27 PM , Rating: 3
The Movie 300 sold about 300,000 units on HD-DVD AND Bluray combined.

Regular DVD sold 13,000,000 ..

Yeah 13 million to 300K .. If Bluray dominates this way another year another format or downloads will takeover !


By TerranMagistrate on 1/31/2008 10:24:04 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah 13 million to 300K .. If Bluray dominates this way another year another format or downloads will takeover !

Ha, must be a comforting thought for you Blu-Ray haters.

Honestly, a brand new format will magically appear and suddenly wipe out Blu-Ray once and for all. I can see it now.

And digital downloads replacing a physical HD video format is just about as far-fetched an idea likewise because high speed internet isn't exactly as widespread as you may think.

Physical media will likely always be around.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By sweetsauce on 2/1/2008 1:41:36 AM , Rating: 2
You have it completely backwards fool. The fact that the 360 isn't doing well in japan and is barely outselling the ps3 elsewhere is nothing more than a sign of how strong the playstation brand is. Its the same thing that should have happened here in the US except this time around developers didn't cater to sony's crap and hold out content on other systems. The xbox360 definately could've gone the way of the dreamcast, but since they were smart and made the system easy to program for and tap its potential, they were able to get games. To all the fanboys that keep saying that the 360 is maxed out and ps3 will get better blah blah, speak to a developer in the know. The 360 is far from being tapped, most games aren't even optimized to make use of its full potential.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Chaser on 2/1/2008 12:08:18 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You have it completely backwards fool. The fact that the 360 isn't doing well in japan and is barely outselling the ps3 elsewhere is nothing more than a sign of how strong the playstation brand is.

Yup and with Europe, Australia, and other countries continuing to buy the PS3 and Blue Ray sales will continue to rise. Based on brand loyalty The 360, outside of the U.S., is mostly a mirage.

quote:
The 360 is far from being tapped, most games aren't even optimized to make use of its full potential.


Kettle. Black.


By sweetsauce on 2/1/2008 12:43:37 PM , Rating: 2
Im pretty sure microsoft was catering to the U.S. market, the only market that should matter to developers trying to reach next-gen gamers. Japan is for endless turn based rpgs and sudoku, and europe tends to buy what they think is trendy and/or popular, hence the ps3 selling well there.

Microsoft has cut their advertising considerably and they continue to sell here in the U.S., a market that was dominated by the ps2. In the U.S., the ps3 should be doing way better than they are, and im sure anyone can agree that it is a reason for concern. Whether the ps3 sells more or outsells the 360 at this point is irrelevant since the 360 is established and will continue to get games unlike the dreamcast. Thats the only thing i care about. If you would've told the high ups in microsoft that after 2 years in the market, and after a year of ps3 being out, they would still be in first place and have almost 20 million consoles sold, they would be thrilled. People seem to forget that the xbox360 is the underdog.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By wallijonn on 2/1/2008 11:16:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
PS3 sales are a worldwide number rather than the mostly U.S. centric 360.


Is that because in the last holiday season Sony sold some 790,000 PS3s, which was a lot less than the 360 or the Wii?


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Chaser on 2/1/2008 12:30:44 PM , Rating: 1
And your point is? Read the article. PS3 sales numbers are up and the PS3 is beginning to turn a profit. If you disagree with that sorry.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Malhavoc on 1/31/2008 5:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
Am I missing something with this link? I totalled up all the quarters and got 14.06 million.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By DFranch on 1/31/2008 6:01:24 PM , Rating: 2
you are adding in the Fiscal year 06 total of 3.57 million.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By MrTeal on 1/31/2008 6:01:58 PM , Rating: 2
You counted Q3 and Q4 of 2006, and the year end total for FY2006. So, you counted those two months twice.


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Malhavoc on 1/31/2008 6:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
Ooops. I've been looking at and making tables all day. Perhaps I should go back and double check my work. LOL


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By Alpha4 on 1/31/2008 10:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
Hahahaha

Where do you work, if I may ask? I cruise dailytech from work to unfart my brain from time to time.


By winterspan on 2/1/2008 2:55:59 AM , Rating: 1
I'm surprised an alarm didn't go off in your head when you knew you were adding up calendar quarters, yet you added 5 columns together.. :)


RE: Total PS3 sales: 10.49 million
By nixboy on 2/1/2008 8:19:31 AM , Rating: 2
I find it hard to understand how a news article on Sony finally making some profit turns into a 'my box beats your station' arguement.

I say well done to Sony for finally making some money on a product that I use and enjoy every day. Hopefully they can use this cash to develop the machine further, and start work on designing the next quality, inovative home media system.


Numbers
By Shlong on 1/31/2008 3:55:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not too sure on the numbers, but I think that's more than the Xbox 360? I think it was 4.3 million for the Xbox for the same quarter while Wii was 7 million or so.




RE: Numbers
By Fusible on 1/31/2008 4:16:11 PM , Rating: 3
After doing some searching. Actual sales of both consoles during the holiday season was 5,061,275 for the 360, and for the PS3 4,575,762 during the same period. I always take MS's and Sony sales figures with a grain of salt. 4.9 of actual sold I doubt, but 4.9 units shipped I do believe. Thats still it's best quarter, and congrats.


RE: Numbers
By Shlong on 1/31/2008 4:31:26 PM , Rating: 2
5 million? The numbers I found were 4.3 million: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35775/118/


RE: Numbers
By Xodus Maximus on 1/31/2008 7:56:10 PM , Rating: 2
okay sorry for being a retail nimrod, but isn't shipped the same as sold for Sony, I mean when a store orders a set number of consoles it pays for them, right? or does it work like Sony gets paid when the customer buys it.

hmm, then if the consoles in the store aren't property of the store (because they haven't paid yet), could someone shoplift then try to defend it by saying I did not steal store property. I'm not looking to do that, im just wondering what the legal status of the item is.


Profits or not NOTHING has changed for PS3
By ChipDude on 2/1/2008 12:54:59 AM , Rating: 1
As to the next generation consoles SONY is DEAD last. Did something change?

As a game developer you look to maximize your profits thru selling games on platforms with the most base.
If you are looking to release a killer game this year or for next year holiday you go for Wii first, xbox360 second and PS3 third? Why, thats easy, there will be more potential buyser for a WII and xbox360, far more then PS3.
Compound that with the higher cost and complexity of PS3 port for a game its a nobrainer, PS3 will lag in games, without games it will lag in desirability as a platform. Its a viscious cycle that can't be broken.

There are the stupid fan boy posts, keep them coming to prove your stupidity.

Will SONY make money on PS3, yes! The fact it is making money now and selling serious volume will be spun by some and bought by many stupid fanbois as PS3 being successfuly. How can that be, SONy started out 3 years ago with so much potential, a huge lead from the past generation. They were all set to dominate till they F**Ked it up. PS3 is a total failure compared to what might have been.

MS made the right call getting out xbox360 early even with all the reliability issues. They have installed base, they got the momentum to gurantee new games to keep the momentum going. Sure the reliability is a huge albatross hanging on their head, but in the end they are ahead of the PS3 and who would have bet on that 3 years ago given their orginal xbox showing. Nitendo gets the academy award for showing up everyone.




By mmichii on 2/1/2008 6:29:19 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with what you say but I think that the console war was a secondary concern with sony. As far as i can see they're winning the war that they really care about: blu-ray. It would have been nice to be ahead of Nintendo and MS but it seems they were willing to leverage the playstation brand to win the hi def disc war. After all they are a consumer electronics company first and foremost.

the only company whose primary intent was to build a game console was nintendo.


By psychobriggsy on 2/1/2008 7:43:31 AM , Rating: 2
If you're starting a project now, what are you going to assess, assuming that it's 12 months at least before release?

- Market share at time of release

This will be around 22m for the PS3, 26m for the XBox360, and 30m for the Wii. All three figures are strong enough to justify releasing a game on any of the platforms.

- Growth of market share over the six months following the release

During the time when the game will be selling - a six month period say - it is important to see where the growth will be. The PS3 will arguably be outselling the 360 worldwide all that time - new owners need games, good opportunity there. Will the Wii bubble have burst by then?

- Developer / Manufacturer relations, kickbacks, etc

- Console EOL Behaviour (later on in a console's life)

Sony's ongoing support of previous generation consoles means an ongoing, ever increasing market for years down the line, which means many years of potential sales if you have a hit. Microsoft will likely kill off the console when they have a replacement ready.

Basic point is that all the consoles will have large enough sales to warrant releasing games on it. Xbox only sold 24m or so, yet had plenty of games.


RE: Profits or not NOTHING has changed for PS3
By pomaikai on 2/1/2008 10:13:02 AM , Rating: 2
Actually you sound like the stupid fanboy.

Sony had a rough start. It released a console with the specs everyone wanted, but was not priced at what people were willing to pay. Add the lack of developer support and there console WAS failing. Several price cuts later, by removing features and reducing production cost, they are starting to get back in line with 360 sales. You cannot call a system a failure until it dies and ps3 is far from dying. Sony will not let it die. You can tell this by how frantically they kept coming out with new skus and different units/prices until they found what the consumer wanted. They finally figured it out and sales have really taken off compared to what they were.

With the current state of console I dont think any will be a failure. All 3 consoles will do well this time around.


By ChipDude on 2/1/2008 11:14:15 PM , Rating: 2
Lets flash back 3 years ago before xbox360, before PS3 and before WII. All we had was hype and...

PS2 way ahead with huge lead on installed base, games and Nintendo and xbox pitfully behind in games and installed base. You had Sony gearing up with a huge hype. Who would have predicted they'd be third, dead last, too expesenive?

NO SOny has totally failed to build on their huge lead with PS2, squandered it all. you can spin the numbers any way you like about profits and the fact maybe in a year they will catch up, but lets be honest its a failure for Sony.


Good for Sony.
By JackBurton on 1/31/2008 4:35:01 PM , Rating: 4
Man, I'm glad to see Sony starting to make a profit again. Maybe they can now get back to what they were always good at, rootkits and price fixing.




RE: Good for Sony.
By Loc13 on 2/1/2008 5:08:52 PM , Rating: 2
the rootkit and price fixing argument never gets old huh? how about adding the exploding battery to the pack?

Can't believe people rated you up...


I bought one
By Chaotic42 on 2/2/2008 8:45:22 AM , Rating: 2
I picked one up and I have to say that it's a fantastic movie player. Really, if you have the remote you can barely tell that it's a video game console. I bought Madden, which I've played once, but I may pick up another game if they release anything that strikes my fancy.




About time
By Lord Banshee on 1/31/08, Rating: -1
RE: About time
By mmntech on 1/31/2008 4:07:52 PM , Rating: 2
2008 looks like it's going to be a strong year game wise for the PS3. Lots of good exclusive and multi-platform titles on tap. I think that's part of what hurt it so bad in the first year, lack of decent exclusive titles. The price drop was also a big help.


RE: About time
By omnicronx on 2/1/2008 9:09:57 AM , Rating: 2
Still no good titles, aside from MGS4 and GT4. I bought my Ps3 almost a month ago, and i still only have one game. I staired at the wall for 20 minutes before I could make my decision, thats terrible. I only bought the thing for the BD player, something that most people are still not willing to do with its 399 price tag. 360 still has better games, some of which look better, (EA sports games), and xboxlive can turn a bad game into something good.


RE: About time
By pomaikai on 2/1/2008 10:28:10 AM , Rating: 2
PS3 has lost alot of exclusivity because of its install base. This is a new generation and past generations dont seem to have any effect on where this one is going. I believe that the PS3 and 360 market share will even out and you wont see the amount of exclusives that were present with PS2 and XBOX. The higher the userbase the less money Sony or MS has to come up with for an exclusive title. Last generation the PS2 userbase was so high that Sony had no problems convincing companies to be exclusive, this time around is a different story and Sony has lost alot of games that were exlcusive to playstation.


RE: About time
By FITCamaro on 1/31/2008 4:17:40 PM , Rating: 2
I might be buying one this year. Depends on how much extra cash I've got and what exclusives they keep. So far this year the only exclusive that they've got (for now) and I want is MGS4. But I still think theres the possibility it'll come to the 360. They said MGS2 wouldn't come to the Xbox and it did as well.


RE: About time
By TerranMagistrate on 1/31/2008 5:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
Kojima Productions is working pretty closely with Sony Computer Entertainment. MGS4 for the PS3, MGS movie with Sony Pictures, a MGS title for Sony Ericsson cell phones, a good number of PSP exclusive MGS games.

I wouldn't hold my breath for a 360 port because chances are it probably isn't going to happen


RE: About time
By Bigjee on 1/31/2008 6:56:39 PM , Rating: 2
Not all games are great on another console. I wouldn't wait for MGS4 to come on the 360 for the same reason that i wouldn't wait for the Halo3 to come to the pc.


RE: About time
By michal1980 on 2/1/08, Rating: -1
RE: About time
By sweetsauce on 2/1/2008 12:51:06 PM , Rating: 2
How can you complain about texture loading? Its the way the game was designed. Rather than give you a loading screen every time you move around, it renders the area in sections until the entire screen is loaded. Even then it only lasts a few seconds. I personally like it since it keeps you in the action and doesn't take your focus away from the game. I guess you can't please everyone.


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