quote: That's why AMD still sells a lot of stuff - because most people don't give a #amn about GHz and heat and stuff like that. People want platform that's FAST ENOUGH and CHEAP at the same time - and this is the area where Intel with its pathetic so-called "GPUs" gets his #ss handed to it.
quote: This changes nothing - AMD is still the king of low end and mainstream, because a) they usually beat Intel in price/preformance/watt ratio in these segments and b) they offer a killer mainstream platform called AMD 780G, which noone can come close to these days.
quote: It's like Apple who makes elite computers but also has just several percent of the market. Since mass product manufacturers are not afraid of niche products - why would AMD be afraid of some niche extreme CPUs? It's the mainstream where the battle is happening, and in mainstream AMD Phenom and 3870 videochips are extremely competitive.
quote: Hence I'm not bothered about AMD bleeding money - they make hefty buck selling their excellent mainstream products (sometimes best in the class like 780G) so they are going to continue bleeding for a while, but the bleeding will be getting smaller and smaller as AMD continues to shrink its huge ATI-imposed debt, and when the debt is paid off (probably next year if AMD gets lucky) and 45nm Phenoms are out - THEN we'll talk about competition.
quote: For now AMD will be hampered by ATI acquisition, but it's already paying off in the world's leading IGP (780G) and also world's leading 55nm 3D chip/IGP manufacturing process.
quote: No, AMD is king of the low-end because they have nothing competing in the high-end and therefore must price their products accordingly. A good integrated chipset and more competitiveness in video cards isn't close to enough to stem their bleeding in CPUs.
quote: Intel is not AMD. The niche CPUs are important because they dictate pricing, since AMD has nothing competitive to them, they're forced to price their products below them. What's worse, thanks to the Barcelona's size they're also far more expensive to produce.
quote: Except they don't make hefty bucks, they are losing hundreds of millions of dollars each quarter, and their debt problems are growing. They also missed expectations in Q1.
quote: The ATI deal has paid off handsomely for ATI shareholders who got $5 billion in cash for their shares, but has probably doomed AMD financially.
quote: Actually, they have something competing in the high end, just doesnt compete with intel's high end. Unless you really care THAT MUCH about getting 60fps on crysis, amd's price/performance does a nice job of combating intel.
quote: What I really hear you saying here is, "Dont hate because you cant afford it," sounds like exactly what all the apple fanboys i know say.
quote: Except ATI does a very nice job. If they had an equivelant to The Way It's Meant To Be Played their superior architecture would have stolen lots of market share away from nVidia long ago. BTW, how is Intel doing these days with those integrated graphics?
quote: what I'm saying is that AMD's inability to compete at anything other than the low-end is destroying it financially.