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Accord Hybrid rated for 50 mpg in the city

Honda has announced the official starting price for the 2014 Accord Hybrid. The car will start at an MSRP of $29,155. The Accord Hybrid will be offered in three different grades all carrying an EPA rating of 50 MPG in the city.

The vehicle will hit U.S. showrooms on October 31. In addition to the base level Accord Hybrid, there will be a mid-range EX-L for $31,905 and a high-end Touring model for $34,905.

"With advanced technologies standard on every Accord Hybrid we've given customers an incredible combination of fuel efficiency, technology and value," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales at American Honda. "The addition of the Accord Hybrid to the lineup will further advance Accord's position as America's most popular passenger car with individual buyers."


All three grades of the Accord Hybrid come standard with Honda's LaneWatch blind spot display system. The cars also feature standard rearview cameras, LED daytime running lights, Bluetooth, USB integration, dual zone automatic climate control, and alloy wheels.

Honda boasts that the 2014 Accord Hybrid has EPA fuel economy ratings of 50 mpg in the city, 45 mpg on the highway, and 47 mpg combined making it the top rated four-door sedan in America. It is powered by a 141hp 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine and a 166hp electric motor paired with a lithium-ion battery pack.

The hybrid vehicle carries a standard three-year 36,000 mile warranty, a five-year/60,000 mile powertrain warranty, and the battery pack is covered by eight-year 100,000 mile warranty or a 10-year 150,000 mile warranty depending on the state where the vehicle was purchased.

Source: Honda



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Technicality
By Ammohunt on 9/24/2013 10:34:41 AM , Rating: 1
I can get a Prius starting at ~$20k how is "starting at $30k" a direct competitor?




RE: Technicality
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 10:37:14 AM , Rating: 3
It's bigger, nicer, and much less ugly. It's direct competitor inst a Prius, its a Camry Hybrid.

http://www.toyota.com/camry/#!/models

$26,140 @ 43/39 est.


RE: Technicality
By Jeffk464 on 9/24/2013 11:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, the accord is a much nicer car.


RE: Technicality
By Ammohunt on 9/24/13, Rating: 0
RE: Technicality
By Reclaimer77 on 9/24/2013 3:00:50 PM , Rating: 2
Can we just not resort to instantly calling someone who disagrees with someone else a "fanboi"??

I'm a Subaru "fanboi", but if I had to pick between a Prius or an Accord Hybrid, it's not contest. Accord wins, hands down.

Also your OP seemed to be highly cherry-picking. Come on, be honest, hardly any Prius's in the wild are stripped down ~$20k models. Frankly I don't think they exist.


RE: Technicality
By Ammohunt on 9/25/2013 10:47:05 AM , Rating: 2
I looked at a brand new on on the lot this weekend ~20k since mine is starting to show its age was just seeing what the next one would cost. People like Hondas i get it that's why so many bought the insight....


RE: Technicality
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 4:30:49 PM , Rating: 2
So, I point out that the Prius inst comparable to an Accord hybrid, and that the Accord hybrid its comparable to a Camry hybrid (The difference being a small car vs mid size sedans) and I am a Honda Fanboy?

Sorry, that is just a fact. You can confirm it with Honda and Toyota or pretty much anyone that ever shopped for either. I dont give a crap about any car enough to be called a fanboy. It's just not an important item like a smartphone or laptop LOL.


RE: Technicality
By Philippine Mango on 9/25/2013 8:11:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yes the Accord Hybrid is comparable to the Camry Hybrid, however the Camry/Accord Hybrid vehicles really aren't that much larger than the Prius. One thing that throws a lot of people off is the size of the engine bay which is longer on the more luxurious cars due to the bigger engine but has no affect on passenger space. All 3 vehicles are midsize vehicles and if you put a Prius and a Camry side by side, you'll see that where the doors begin and the doors end is at the exact same distance... i.e. they have pretty much the exact same sized doors which implies interior room. It's true the Prius has 2in narrower body but since it's a hatchback and not a sedan, it has lots more cargo room than the Camry Hybrid.

You buy the Accord or Camry hybrid because you want a conventional vehicle with great fuel economy, a much more plush ride and a more powerful engine... But otherwise, complaints space aren't really too founded in the Prius, though I really don't like the wrap around center console as it makes the car feel more cramped than the 2nd generation Prius which feels very roomy and spacious.


RE: Technicality
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/2013 9:22:15 AM , Rating: 2
The Accor0d isn't that much larger than an Civic either. Does that mean you can directly compare them Apples->Apples?

Prius/Civic Hybrid are compact cars. Accord/Camry are midsize cars.

@OP: How do you see an accord as being a direct competitor to an Accord? Article has to do with the Accord having comparable fuel economy to the Prius - which is quite an achievement for Honda. It is not however a direct comparison between the card. The cars are in entirely different classes.


RE: Technicality
By sigmatau on 9/25/2013 2:05:34 PM , Rating: 2

The Honda Accord has been a full size car since the last model starting in 2008. It is not a midsize car.


RE: Technicality
By Ammohunt on 9/25/2013 10:50:58 AM , Rating: 2
Admit it retro you drive your Honda around with your apple sticker in the window and your Darwin fish on the bumper! ;-)


RE: Technicality
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/24/2013 10:46:05 AM , Rating: 2
No one said anything about it being a direct competitor. Just that it's a bigger, heavier, more powerful car that gets damn close to the more frugal Prius in fuel economy.

It's actually closer in MPG to the Prius than it is to the Camry Hybrid.


RE: Technicality
By Flunk on 9/24/2013 11:25:54 AM , Rating: 5
$24,200 is the MSRP. The Camry Hybrid is $26,140, which is the comparable vehicle, with slightly worse fuel economy.


RE: Technicality
By Tibbz on 9/25/2013 9:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
meanwhile we are still averaging 42MPG with mixed driving in our Jetta TDI, and hit 45-50mpg (depending on how quickly i want to get to Dallas) on the highway; usually at 85mph (Speed limits are 87-85 in Texas open roads).
This would be a nice family hauler for people who drive in heavy city traffic constantly, MUCH better looking than the prius which does not say much lol


RE: Technicality
By Tibbz on 9/25/2013 9:09:48 AM , Rating: 2
sorry *75-85 in Texas open Roads


RE: Technicality
By palmira_friend on 9/25/2013 3:34:58 PM , Rating: 2
my parents inlaw just got a 2013 Audi TT Convertible by working part time off of a computer. additional info.......... http://fave.co/18pfsID


Still not worth the hybrid cost
By Sivar on 9/24/2013 10:42:20 AM , Rating: 1
The payback period (due to gas savings) is a little over 10 years.

This is based on 50MPG vs 31MPG for normal Accord, 15% down payment, 3 year loan at 2% interest, and 15,000 miles/year driving at USD$4/gal.

Still cheaper to go with the ICE engine, and if you could the additional manufacturing of the electric motor, batteries, and more complex drivetrain, possibly better for the environment, too. This is difficult to gauge, however.




RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By BRB29 on 9/24/2013 10:50:23 AM , Rating: 1
I highly doubt gas will stay at $4 for long. This is the same argument people were making years ago when gas was at $2-3 a gallon.

You'll save a lot more money if you are a city dweller like me. My car rates 18mpg city. In real city driving, I would average 15 on a good day and less on the regular. While a hybrid like the prius would get high 40s to low 50s in the same condition.


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By Nutzo on 9/24/2013 12:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
Unless you happen to drive mostly in the city, then you would be comparing 50MPG vs 24 MPG (or even less), which would bring the payback to a more reasonable 5-6 years using your same numbers.


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By Sivar on 9/24/2013 5:04:34 PM , Rating: 2
- Using EPA numbers of 50MPG city vs 27MPG (Accord 4-cyl)
2.5% interest 3-yr loan (Bankrate.com nat'l avg)
15% down payment
$5.00 per gallon average
Here are the numbers:

@7,500 mile per year: 12.15 years payback
@10,000 mile per year: 9.11 years payback
@15,000 mile per year: 6.07 years payback
@20,000 mile per year: 4.55 years payback
$206 to $117 less spending money per year dep. on mileage above (due to loan payment minus fuel cost).

My conclusion is that only those who drive quite a lot of city miles per year and keep their car for a long time will see a return in a reasonable amount of time.
This also assumes equal maintenance costs, no battery replacement, and that fuel cost will go up enough that the average over the above time period will be $5. (Those are probably reasonable).


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 5:12:53 PM , Rating: 2
"@20,000 mile per year: 4.55 years payback"

This is probably the only valid figure, but it barely is. The average driver is somewhere around 12-13,000 miles per year, this includes elderly people that drive only a few thousand and long range commuters that do 40,000+ miles per year. No-one in their right mind would consider a hybrid unless they were well over 20,000 miles per year. Try your #'s at 30,40 and 50K and you will hit the target audience.


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/2013 9:31:09 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm, I put over 20K on my new Focus last year. But then I don't consider myself 'average' either ;)

Payback on hybrid will come depending on the kind of mileage you are doing. If you do a lot of in-town driving, that payback will kick in a lot faster than if you are spending most of your time on a highway. Gas-only cars get their best economy on the highway and worst in city driving. Hybrids flip that around because most can shut off their gas engines at stoplights.


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By Nutzo on 9/25/2013 11:56:54 AM , Rating: 2
It's even worse if you mainly drive in heavy city traffic. I had a 2002 Camry, and only averaged 18MPG, well below the rated mileage due to the heavy traffic and long lights on my commute. I'm getting almost double that in my new Camry Hybrid, which while below the rated mileage still saves alot of gas.


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By The Von Matrices on 9/24/2013 9:24:14 PM , Rating: 2
The one thing that no one is considering is the increased resale value of the hybrid car compared to the ICE car. It would be disingenuous to assume that the only value of the hybrid car is increased fuel economy. All the fuel economy calculations presented as based on an assumption that both the hybrid car and the ICE car are worth the same the moment they are driven off the lot. When you account for the increased resale value of the hybrid car, the payback period shortens significantly.


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By Mint on 9/25/2013 1:56:21 AM , Rating: 2
People keep making that mistake with hybrids and plugins. If you're never going to sell the car, then you'll have 15 years to make up the difference. If you are, then only the difference is what matters, and the next buyer of your car will pay more for a 50 MPG car than a 31 MPG car.

On top of that, the hybrid is better equipped.


RE: Still not worth the hybrid cost
By Solandri on 9/25/2013 6:44:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
and the next buyer of your car will pay more for a 50 MPG car than a 31 MPG car.

Interesting theory. I took the used car prices from Edmunds and tossed them into a spreadsheet.

The Camry hybrid does fit your theory.
* Value of a 2007 ICE Camry is 41% the 2013 MSRP.
* Value of a 2007 hybrid Camry is 44% the 2013 MSRP.
* The value of the hybrid-ness in the 2007 is 62% the 2013 MSRP.
* In cash value, the price premium for the hybrid-ness is only $519 by 2007.
* The hybrid premium actually increases from 2012-2009 - people are willing to pay more for it in those years than they are in 2013.

The Highlander hybrid does not fit your theory.
* Value of a 2006 ICE Highlander is 33% the 2013 MSRP.
* Value of a 2006 hybrid Highlander is 30% the 2013 MSRP.
* Value of the hybrid-ness in 2007 is 23% the 2013 MSRP.
* Price premium (penalty) of the hybrid-ness is -$243.
* The hybrid premium drops the sharpest from 2011 and gradually rises, though it stays negative.

The hybrid in a used Camry adds value (relative to the price of the rest of the car), while it subtracts value for a used Highlander. This despite the hybrid Highlander saving you more money on fuel

Highlander:
27 mpg vs 19 mpg
savings for 12k miles @ $4/gal is $749

Camry:
34 mpg vs 24 mpg
savings for 12k miles @ $4/gal is $588

That makes me suspect that contrary to your theory, people are getting the used hybrid primarily for the bragging rights of having a fuel efficient car, not because it's saving them money.


By The Von Matrices on 9/25/2013 11:04:15 AM , Rating: 2
You have a fair point - the resale value of a car is a balance of a lot of factors. I'm sure that a stripped down hybrid car will depreciate much faster than a better equipped ICE car. If you're smart about choosing the options on the car to make the car desirable for resale, then you should be able to make back a lot of the extra cost of the hybrid car when it is sold.


Engine?
By BRB29 on 9/24/2013 10:37:13 AM , Rating: 2
Give me about 200hp and I'm in!!

Love the look of the new Accord. I love the BMW and Infiniti more but having an extra 30k in my pocket is better :)
Not to mention saving another $200 a month on fuel and however much for insurance. I'm tired of paying $400+ for gas a month and it only gets worse every year.




RE: Engine?
By Sivar on 9/24/2013 10:45:19 AM , Rating: 1
Infiniti, unfortunately, comes with Bose speakers, so those who like music have to include the cost of audio system replacement. It also tells me that Infiniti prefers low-quality gimmicks favored by uneducated people over actual quality, though Infiniti's car quality (in terms of maintenance) does seem to be far ahead of Mercedes and BMW. Hopefully their audio choice doesn't represent the philosophy of other car decisions.


RE: Engine?
By BRB29 on 9/24/2013 10:55:11 AM , Rating: 2
Yes my premium Bose sound system is anything but premium. They boost the bass in normal mode and the sound is not clear. If you choose the "enhance" option in the settings, then it sounds like it filtered out all the low freq sounds and you get almost no bass at all. But then everything sounds too high pitched and hurts my ears.

I wanted to change out the entire system but the way my M37 is built makes it really hard to do without spending an insane amount of money.


RE: Engine?
By Spuke on 9/24/2013 12:07:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wanted to change out the entire system but the way my M37 is built makes it really hard to do without spending an insane amount of money.
How about just changing out the speakers? Most of the crap sound is from them anyways.


RE: Engine?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/24/2013 3:56:37 PM , Rating: 2
All highs, no lows? That's Bose!


RE: Engine?
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/2013 9:32:28 AM , Rating: 2
Bose sux donkey turds. Sony does too (Ford's idea of 'premium' audio)


RE: Engine?
By Drexial on 9/24/2013 12:09:52 PM , Rating: 2
Usually the HP ratings are additive, so 146 from the ICE and 166 from the electric actually gives you about 312 HP.


RE: Engine?
By Spuke on 9/24/2013 1:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Usually the HP ratings are additive, so 146 from the ICE and 166 from the electric actually gives you about 312 HP.
No.


RE: Engine?
By Nutzo on 9/24/2013 12:23:46 PM , Rating: 2
Depending on your state and you insurance, don't count on saving money on insurance when you buy a Hybrid.
Due to the high repair costs on Hybrids, it will likely cost you more to insure the Hybrid over the gas only model. It cost me almost $100/year more to insure a Camry Hybrid over the 4 cyl model.


RE: Engine?
By FITCamaro on 9/25/2013 8:03:16 AM , Rating: 2
You must drive a lot. I spend ~$100 on gas a month driving 45 miles or more a day. But then regular here is currently $3-3.10 a gallon here in the parts of town where I fill up.


Under 30k?
By ERROR666 on 9/24/2013 1:12:15 PM , Rating: 2
Why is everybody saying it's under 30k?
It's 30k for the lowest trim level. I don't know about you but I never buy these.
Now, the top trim is 35k. And then add navigation, sunroof, etc and you're getting a honda priced at 40k.
So how does this make any sense?

There's a lot of better cars in this price range.




RE: Under 30k?
By Nutzo on 9/24/2013 4:47:21 PM , Rating: 2
Honda generally doesn't have seperate "options" or packages, they have models. If you buy the model for $35K, it is already loaded with nav, sunroof, leather, etc.


RE: Under 30k?
By Solandri on 9/25/2013 6:48:47 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, Honda typically has three trim levels. And if memory serves me, their lowest trim level is actually their best selling. They're not like other car brands which have a base price for an unrealistically stripped model, and nickle and dime you on all the "necessary options" (like air conditioning, radio).


RE: Under 30k?
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/2013 9:38:00 AM , Rating: 1
Hmm, I beg to differ there.

When we bought my daughter's 2006 Civic, we compared the 'DX' to the higher level 'LX'. No Air conditioning. No power mirrors. No sound deadening material under the hood or in the trunk. The 'DX' was pretty stripped to the bone. We wound up buying the 'LX' for her even though it was several thousand dollars more.


RE: Under 30k?
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 5:00:34 PM , Rating: 2
:""Why is everybody saying it's under 30k?
It's 30k for the lowest trim level"


Yoiu kind of answered your own question there...

It's 30k for the lowest trim level. It's actually pretty well equipped for a low trim level. Regardless, like any hybrid this car doesnt make sense unless you drive slot of miles.


RE: Under 30k?
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/2013 9:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
What part of the words 'starting at' in the article did you not understand?


Rivals the Prius? How?
By tayb on 9/24/2013 1:48:10 PM , Rating: 1
How does this Rival the Prius in any way?

The Accord starts at $29,000 with 50 mpg city and 47 highway.

I can get a Prius C for $19,000 with 51 mpg city and 49 highway.

Or I can get a Prius for $24,000 with 51 mpg city and 48 mpg highway.

Or I can get a Prius Plug-in for $32,000 with 95 mpge or a combined 50 mpg regular.

They've beaten the Camry Hybrid and bravo for that but if fuel efficiency is all I'm looking for Honda is about $10,000 too expensive.




RE: Rivals the Prius? How?
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 2:03:51 PM , Rating: 3
Because the Prius C is a small economy car and the Accord is a mid size sedan. They really don't compare at all. It's market rival is the Camry hybrid.


RE: Rivals the Prius? How?
By Solandri on 9/25/2013 6:56:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Or I can get a Prius Plug-in for $32,000 with 95 mpge or a combined 50 mpg regular.

There will be a plug-in version of the Accord hybrid as well, rated at 115 MPGe. No word on price and range yet though.


Nice...
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 10:22:37 AM , Rating: 2
It's actually a pretty decent car with great mileage for under 30k. If I still drove 80 miles a day I would be very interested... Buy glad I dont LOL. OK, let the hybrid hate fest begin.




This Time
By ChronoReverse on 9/24/2013 12:02:31 PM , Rating: 2
I'm curious if Honda has reworked their hybrid system this time.

Last generation was plagued with owners complaining that the actual mileage in use was not just a little lower than ratings (which would be normal) but significantly lower.

That is to say, I'm not sure I'd trust the EPA ratings this time around either until reports "from the wild" come in.




Hyrbids Pricing
By Doug S on 9/28/2013 8:47:38 AM , Rating: 2
A Accord is a mid size sedan vs a compact like the prius. If you want a small vehicle that looks has no style buy the prius v and fully optioned its ovefr $30k. If you want a family sedan that seats five adults has the better warranty and achieves the best in class epa buy the Accord. At least it looks like a normal styled vehicle. If Toyota would style the prius with a body like say a Elantra or Madza 3 it would sell more vehicle.




Am I the only one...
By coburn_c on 9/24/13, Rating: -1
RE: Am I the only one...
By bug77 on 9/24/2013 11:14:00 AM , Rating: 1
I, too, see hybrids as a stopgap solution that offers the worse of both worlds (i.e. more weight to carry and two systems that need maintenance instead of one).


RE: Am I the only one...
By Samus on 9/24/2013 1:47:47 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I, too, see hybrids as a stopgap solution that offers the worse of both worlds (i.e. more weight to carry and two systems that need maintenance instead of one)


Over 1 million Prius owners world-wide disagree with you. The vehicle weight is heavy for its size, but still less than an A4 (a comparatively sized car, albeit in a different class.)

The additional weight has negligible impact on fuel economy, because the pro's outweigh the con's. Think of a supercharger. It causes parasitic drag and sucks power from the engine to create compression. Although it takes about 30% of your engine power to spin the screws, it returns 50-60% in the process, increasing your total output 20-30%.

Hybrid technology does to fuel economy what a supercharger does to power. Adds drag/weight on the engine, but overall efficiency is improved.

Your argument of maintenance is completely unrealistic. Most 1st-gen Prius owners (over a decade old) are still on their original battery packs . One might think the complexity of hybrid technology (and boy has it gotten complex) would mean unreliable and high-maintenance, but since its introduction with the Prius and Insight, it has proven as reliable (if not more reliable) than ICE systems.

This is because a lot of the weakest links in ICE implementations are reworked in hybrids. In Toyota's case, the electric motor is used as a starter, alternator/generator and propulsion, integrating many failure points into one very reliable component. Power steering pumps have been replaced by electric pumps that are substantially more reliable. There are no accessory belts to replace since there are no accessories on the engine component. The transmissions are generously overbuilt to handle substantial torque. Coolant pumps are electric, timing chains are used instead of belts, and the engines are miller-cycle, low-performance, non-interference engines, reducing maintenance.

To call all of this a stopgap solution is disillusion. At the extreme, I'd call it an incremental step (much like hydrogen was thought to be) to eventual full-electric vehicle adoption, because until battery technology can provide light weight, 300 miles/charge, low cost, and 5-10 minute charging, hybrids are necessary.


RE: Am I the only one...
By DiscoWade on 9/24/2013 5:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
To confirm what you said: My brother has a 1st generation Prius, the one that looks like a real sedan. He is still on the original battery pack.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/24/2013 6:09:44 PM , Rating: 2
"Hybrid", by it's very definition, means it's a stopgap technology. Why deny it?

There's no need to attach positive or negative connotations to it, however, it just is what it is.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Flunk on 9/24/2013 11:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
If it saves me money over a 5 year period, I'll bite.

There is no reason to hate a technology for no reason, just like there is no reason to buy a car just because it has a certain fuel-saving technology if it isn't going to save you any money.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Jeffk464 on 9/24/2013 11:41:25 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but a 4 cyl accord is pretty cheap to operate as it is.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Spuke on 9/24/2013 12:05:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'd prefer a hybrid at this point over a straight EV if fuel economy was my number one goal in car ownership. I can still use a hybrid like I use my present cars.


RE: Am I the only one...
By CharonPDX on 9/24/2013 1:05:12 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly.

Yes, you're carrying around two systems - a stopgap.

But those two systems make each other more reliable. The Prius is one of the most reliable vehicles on the road. I have a 2004 with 140,000 miles, and the biggest problem I've had was a headlight that would go out intermittently a few years ago. Turns out it was the bulb itself. Got a new bulb and it's been fine since.

And even with the goofiness of dual systems, it does save money. I'm a number cruncher, and kept a spreadsheet of daily mileage for the first five years. Compared to the predicted mileage of my alternate vehicles (a Volkswagen Jetta or a Hyundai Elantra,) and the Prius paid off before the five years were up. Now at nine years, I'm way ahead. (A neighbor bought the exact same Elantra we were looking at, and it has had multiple problems.)

Of course, take my experience with a grain of salt - individual anecdotes to not indicate trends. But the mass trends are clear that the Prius does save money over the long haul. (Just as a full EV would, even though it costs significantly more up front.)


RE: Am I the only one...
By Nutzo on 9/24/2013 12:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
Why would anyone want a car that gets great milage around town, yet still can still be taken on long trips?

Guess you would rather sit around waiting for you car to charge every couple hours on a long trip, or get half the mileage in town on a gas only car. Or maybe you would rather have the expense of owning 2 cars, one for short commutes and another for long trips?

Hybrid may not be the solution for everyone, but for many people they make more sense than an all electric car.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Ktracho on 9/24/2013 4:29:20 PM , Rating: 3
As an owner of an all-electric Ford Focus, I understand it is not for everyone. For example, if you're single, it probably won't make sense to only have an electric car. However, I think it makes sense for a lot more people than they think. After all, how many families out there have just one car? If you need a car for longer trips, just plan ahead a little bit and use a car with a gasoline engine. For the other 98% of your driving, use the electric car. The only time I've been concerned about being stranded was when I forgot to charge the car overnight.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Dr of crap on 9/24/2013 12:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
The answer is the CAFE numbers. Every car makers has got to have either a hybrid or an EV that puts out at least 50 mpg in the next few years so that they can squeeze out a few more mpgs a few years after that so that they can make the fleet average CAFE numbers when that hits. The fact that they aren't selling in big numbers is irrelevant.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Jakeisbest on 9/24/2013 1:47:59 PM , Rating: 2
I agree.

Even from a cost perspective I would doubt increased mileage saves money compared to just buying a cheaper car up front.

I am willing to bet buying a 2 year old Accord would be cheaper in the long run than buying a brand new hybrid accord.


RE: Am I the only one...
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/13, Rating: 0
good job!
By GulWestfale on 9/24/13, Rating: -1
RE: good job!
By Sivar on 9/24/2013 11:00:00 AM , Rating: 1
Even TheTorqueReport.com didn't have torque numbers. I don't know that they've been announced.


RE: good job!
By GulWestfale on 9/24/2013 11:06:24 AM , Rating: 1
car and driver has the full specs and technical details.


RE: good job!
By GulWestfale on 9/24/13, Rating: 0
RE: good job!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/24/2013 11:16:20 AM , Rating: 2
Car and Driver's current article mentions nothing about power numbers:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/high-flying-hybrid-ho...

And today's article talks about pricing, trim levels, and features. So I don't see what your beef is. Last month's article talked about its EPA ratings (and included power figures).


RE: good job!
By GulWestfale on 9/24/2013 11:20:00 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2014-honda-accord...

quote:
The dual-mode hybrid system remains in place, as do the 166-hp electric motor and 141-hp four-cylinder gasoline engine.


RE: good job!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/24/2013 11:21:04 AM , Rating: 2
That article is from AUGUST. Our article from AUGUST also mentions the power figures ;)


RE: good job!
By GulWestfale on 9/24/2013 11:24:08 AM , Rating: 2
so... why not mention them again in an article that is about the car?


RE: good job!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/24/2013 11:26:41 AM , Rating: 2
I did add it after your complained. But people complain if we keep the same info from a previous article (which is why we included a link to the older article), and they complain if we leave every single tidbit of info out.

You can't win!! ;)


RE: good job!
By GulWestfale on 9/24/13, Rating: -1
RE: good job!
By Krotchrot on 9/24/2013 1:31:47 PM , Rating: 4
So why do you even read it? You could quit reading and commenting on this site and THEN we would all win.
You kind of sound like a whiny little girl.


RE: good job!
By GulWestfale on 9/24/2013 1:41:47 PM , Rating: 2
i used to be an asteroid but now i'm just a beige patio chair.


RE: good job!
By M'n'M on 9/24/2013 2:28:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
... i'm just a beige patio chair.

And I would have guessed meat popsicle.


RE: good job!
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/2013 9:42:34 AM , Rating: 1
My guess was a Rutabaga. But changed my mind when I realized Rutabagas are still useful for something.


RE: good job!
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/13, Rating: 0
RE: good job!
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 11:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
"I did add it after your complained. But people complain if we keep the same info from a previous article (which is why we included a link to the older article), and they complain if we leave every single tidbit of info out. You can't win!! ;) "

this sounds a whole lot like being human


another techno-monstrosity
By sulu1977 on 9/24/13, Rating: -1
RE: another techno-monstrosity
By Spuke on 9/24/2013 3:11:11 PM , Rating: 2
What's a pure hybrid?


RE: another techno-monstrosity
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/25/13, Rating: 0
RE: another techno-monstrosity
By sulu1977 on 9/25/2013 2:01:25 PM , Rating: 2
Look up how train locomotives work. That's a pure hybrid.... pure simplicity!


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