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Insight Hybrid gets official at North American Auto show

When gas prices were in the range of $4.00 per gallon or more much, talk about hybrid vehicles and all-electric cars were thrown around in the mainstream media. Now that fuel prices are dropping to some of the lowest levels seen in years, the hybrid doesn't seem to get as much attention.

That didn’t stop Honda from officially introducing the Insight Hybrid at the North American International Auto Show. The car will be a 2010 model and will be available starting in April 2009. DailyTech first reported on images of the production Insight Hybrid in December. Exact pricing for the Insight Hybrid is unknown, but Honda says it will sell for less than the price of the Civic Hybrid.

The vehicle is a five-passenger hatchback that uses a 1.3L SOHC i-VTEC engine and an electric motor and battery pack. The IMA Hybrid system uses a 10kW motor with 13hp delivering 68 lb-ft of torque and an Intelligent Power Unit (IPU) the IPU consist of a 5.75 Ah, 100.8V NiMH battery pack, electronic control unit for the motor and cooling system.

Overall combined power from the gasoline and hybrid systems is 98hp at 5,800 rpm with a max torque of 123 lb-ft at 1,000 to 1,500 rpm. Honda says that when traveling on a smooth, flat surface at a constant speed of around 30 MPH, the Insight Hybrid will be able to travel by electric power alone.

The battery pack is comprised of seven different NiMH modules that each contain 84 "D-cell" batteries. An improvement in the efficiency of the battery packs has allowed the Insight to reduce the number of battery packs from 11 (the number in the 2006 Civic Hybrid) to seven.

The electric motor assists the car in acceleration in addition to certain steady state cruising conditions. The motor also acts as a generator during gentle deceleration and coasting to capture kinetic energy to recharge the battery. During deceleration, the cylinders in the gasoline engine are deactivated to nearly eliminate the pumping action of the cylinders to allow more efficient electricity generation for recharging the battery packs.

The new 2010 Honda Insight is EPA rated at 40 MPG / 43 MPG (city/highway). AutoblogGreen, however, was able to manage 63.4 MPG with its test vehicle.



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Ghastly interior
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/14/2009 12:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
Whoever designed that interior should be shot -- it's a damn mess.




RE: Ghastly interior
By Desslok on 1/14/2009 12:56:19 PM , Rating: 1
I second that. WOW! I would have thought Honda would have done a better job.


RE: Ghastly interior
By barjebus on 1/14/2009 3:47:49 PM , Rating: 4
I've driven a 2009 honda civic which looks very similar to the interior of the fit. My biggest complaint was the tachometer and speedometer locations. If you want to gauge both (i.e., I realize that I'm going at a high speed, or any speed really and want to check what my corresponding RPM's are), you have to actually move your eyes. Traditionally I'm used to simply glancing down and seeing both values or meters showing me that info, but you need to direct your eyes to two separate locations to digest that information.

I know it sounds really whiny, but it really makes it really struck me as being odd/annoying when I first drove one.


RE: Ghastly interior
By whiskerwill on 1/14/2009 5:11:00 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that is a bit messed up.


RE: Ghastly interior
By 9nails on 1/14/2009 9:22:10 PM , Rating: 2
I was going to say that the HVAC controls are pretty messed up, and get most the blame. But I dislike the looks of the cockpit area behind the steering wheel too. So I agree, the whole look and layout of this interior dashboard isn't up to par. It's the lack of symmetry and regular geometric shapes that makes it unpleasing for me.

At least the passenger side looks like a cartoon character with the round diffusers and the glove box handle for a mouth. That's kind of cute right? Aww, who am I kidding?! It's a failure on that side of the car too...


RE: Ghastly interior
By technohermit on 1/14/2009 11:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
The round diffusers are actually pretty sweet. Although they look like hell, they rotate. And move up and down with the vanes, so you can deflect air pretty much anywhere you want. Also, the round damper behind them does a pretty good job of cutting off airflow where you dont want it. I have them in my 2003 Element, so nothing new by Honda there. However, the split tach/mph guages is a real dumb thing to do. Thank the previous engineering team my E didnt go that way!


RE: Ghastly interior
By HelToupee on 1/16/2009 10:07:29 AM , Rating: 2
I can understand needing to see both the Tach and the Speedometer at the same time when getting the feel for a vehicle. I've driven manual transmission cars all of my life. After a month or two with the car, however, I don't ever look at the Tach anymore. You get a good feel for the car, and sort-of instinctively know when to shift. I suppose if I was drag racing, I'd want to make sure I shift at the correct point on my torque curve, and would definitely need the tach for that...


RE: Ghastly interior
By nofumble62 on 1/14/2009 9:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
It must be the interior picture of a test vehicle.


RE: Ghastly interior
By quiksilvr on 1/15/2009 1:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
I'm more pissed at the fact that Toyota and Honda STILL didn't have the balls to use frigging Lithium Ion batteries. It would cut down the weight, increase the efficiency and prolong the life of the car. If encased properly corrosion nor explosions should be an issue, even in a collision.


RE: Ghastly interior
By chavv on 1/15/2009 2:53:07 AM , Rating: 2
would you prefer your fancy new car to burn because of faulty Li-I battery?
The technology is still not so proven. The moment their labs decide that Li batteries are good enough they'll use'em.
Afaik just 2 weeks ago Honda declared joint venture with biggest Li-battery supplier in Japan (and Toyota partnered with same firm since last year) + declared that the moment they can get tech as reliable as Ni-MH, they'll simply start packing new ones and offer replacements (for money of course!) :)


RE: Ghastly interior
By Schadenfroh on 1/15/2009 7:54:17 AM , Rating: 2
He never said that Sony should be the supplier of said Li-I batteries.


RE: Ghastly interior
By nafhan on 1/15/2009 8:49:52 AM , Rating: 2
Also lithium ion batteries are a bit more expensive.
I know this doesn't relate 1:1 with car batteries, but when I bought a cordless drill recently, the lithium ion version of the drill I bought was $100 more expensive. That's on a $100 drill!


RE: Ghastly interior
By jmunjr on 1/14/2009 1:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
Have you sat in it? It looks fine to me.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Spivonious on 1/14/2009 1:12:35 PM , Rating: 2
Looks fine to me, but it looks like it belongs in a $15k car. Any word on the price?


RE: Ghastly interior
By Spivonious on 1/14/2009 1:17:51 PM , Rating: 5
nevermind, read the source article. If Honda can keep their $18.5k promise, this will be a very popular car.


RE: Ghastly interior
By MozeeToby on 1/14/2009 1:16:42 PM , Rating: 5
Honestly, it is one fugly car. On the other hand, have you seen the old Insights? I would actually say it's a pretty significant improvement.

...Still pretty horrible though.


RE: Ghastly interior
By walk2k on 1/14/2009 1:46:09 PM , Rating: 5
Yes yes, cue all the standard responses:

"it's ugly"

"it looks like prius"

"only Hippies drive hybrids"

"not enough power like my bitchin Camaro"

and other ignorant idiocy.


RE: Ghastly interior
By dice1111 on 1/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Ghastly interior
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RE: Ghastly interior
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RE: Ghastly interior
By masher2 (blog) on 1/14/2009 1:19:28 PM , Rating: 5
> "Whoever designed that interior should be shot -- it's a damn mess. "

At first glance, the control scheme does seem terribly cluttered.

At second glance, though, it appears they've done some intelligent grouping that, while it may take a little adjusting to, might actually be a worthwhile improvement.

As another poster said, I'll withhold judgement till I sit in one -- which is going to be a good long while, with gas at $1.50.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/14/2009 4:45:52 PM , Rating: 2
I have no problem with Honda designing an ergonomic dashboard layout, but there is no reason for it to look that damn ugly.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Dreifort on 1/14/2009 5:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
does it have led back lit dashboard? just wondering if they maybe used newer technology in the dash lighting to "save energy".

I know HP has new laptops with LED lighting hitting stores soon.

I give it this much (the interior design), it's not like the other hybrids.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Reclaimer77 on 1/14/2009 7:00:51 PM , Rating: 1
Why do you keep saying that ?

It's a hybrid. If you want a sexy interior get a sports car or something.

From where I'm sitting the functionality is vastly improved over my current car. More steering wheel controls to free up dash space. The Hvac controls look nicely condensed and simplified, less distracting. Big LCD that, appears from this angle, to be tilted toward the driver. A nice touch. Also the color scheme on the dials is superior for night driving : Blues with gray and white tones.

Honda interiors have always been spartan and functional. Even the Preludes back in the day were nice, but basic and simple.

I don't know what your beef is to be honest. It's a hybrid.


RE: Ghastly interior
By masher2 (blog) on 1/14/2009 7:19:14 PM , Rating: 1
I think his beef is that he'd really like to consider a hybrid, but as long as they're the automotive equivalent of leisure suits and plaid shoes, he's going to pass.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/14/2009 8:47:29 PM , Rating: 2
I'm actually quite fond of the 2010 Prius inside and out. The exterior design is quite a bit better than the previous generation and the interior is clean and modern without being overstyled to the point of lunacy.

I'm not particularly fond of the center-mounted speedo on the '10 Prius, but it's something I could get used to.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/2010-toyota-pr...

In fact, I could easily see it as being a replacement for my fiance's 2004 Honda Civic EX Sedan.

I'm a fan of minimalistic and clean interior designs.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/14/2009 8:40:00 PM , Rating: 2
There are two things we're talking about here:

1) Dashboard Ergonomics
2) Dashboard Design

There is a way to do both, the Insight's dashboard is great at #1 and fails at #2.

Can you honestly look at that interior and tell me that it is not a mess of shapes, colors, round air cents, and LCD displays? The control scheme is laid out in a manner in which the controls all fall easy to the hand/eye, but the overall design scheme screams 1990s Kia/Hyundai junk.

Take a look at the Ford Fusion Hybrid interior to see how to do a functional hybrid interior that doesn't look like a Van Gogh painting. Hell, even the new 2010 Prius with its center-mounted speedo has a cleaner, more cohesive approach to cabin design.

Yes, the design of the dashboard is a personal preference, but the overall consensus from all of the car boards that I frequent (including VTEC.net) is that the actual dash design is quite poor.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Reclaimer77 on 1/15/2009 12:34:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Can you honestly look at that interior and tell me that it is not a mess of shapes, colors, round air cents, and LCD displays?


Do you get it ? That's what people LOVE about hybrids. I know a woman who has one and she calls it her "future car" ugh.

But yeah I can honestly tell you that because..

1. It's ONE picture, not enough to draw conclusions about the entire line.
2. I have NO idea what kind of color options are available, see #1.

quote:
but the overall design scheme screams 1990s Kia/Hyundai junk.


Ahahah. Right. Okay I'll even spot you a few years. Enter the 2001 Kia Spectra

http://images.autouplinkusa.com/v/7455/Originals/K...

quote:
Take a look at the Ford Fusion Hybrid interior to see how to do a functional hybrid interior that doesn't look like a Van Gogh painting.


No thanks. Key word, Ford.

quote:
Yes, the design of the dashboard is a personal preference, but the overall consensus from all of the car boards that I frequent (including VTEC.net) is that the actual dash design is quite poor.


No shock. Car enthusiasts love bashing hybrids, including me. But on this front, I see no real beef with the interior. Like I said, it's a hybrid. /shrug


RE: Ghastly interior
By Spuke on 1/15/2009 1:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No thanks. Key word, Ford.
The preliminary reviews are actually very good. Also, Ford quality, short AND long term, is very good now and has been for a few years.


RE: Ghastly interior
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/15/2009 2:04:12 PM , Rating: 2
Ugly, pretty... Is such a subjective term it can't be used as an affirmation.

I actually like it, though I like the type-r honda civic's interior better (this one seems a bit more cluttered).

Take in count that one usually calls pretty something along the lines of what oneself is used to see.

I could even bet that if you see the interior of this insight in ten years, while over that time you see little steps in every single car's interior slowly pointing in the direction of that design, you could find it quite good.

I have to recognize that Audi's interiors fit my preferences a bit better (classy and sophisticated but also traditional and somewhat minimalist)...

But if you talk about actual BMWs for example, I am starting to have a strong negative feeling towards those - IMO - excessively conservative interior designs.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Hiawa23 on 1/14/2009 2:46:49 PM , Rating: 2
looks just as ugly as a Prius. I hope gas doesn't get to bad as my Honda Civic & Mitsu Lancer gas engined vehicles should be good enough for me, but I guess there will be a market for these if they get the prices in the mass market range.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Hiawa23 on 1/14/2009 2:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
Say what you want, atleast the Volt is an attractive looking vehicle. I just can't get with a Prius or the Insight, & hopefully I won't have to anytime soon.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Keeir on 1/14/2009 3:08:15 PM , Rating: 1
Got to agree with you

The Fit/Finish is okay for a sub-20,000 dollar car

And the Layout is... okay (it feels alot better without the in-dash GPS)

Its more like... it very very busy, I feel like they could have done the same amount or better control with less buttons and screens... there are 5? information screen... 13 buttons on the steering wheel and still two multifunction levers... And why the prominent Tachometer? The Insight even have a manual option? (thought it was all Auto CVT)


RE: Ghastly interior
By spread on 1/14/2009 4:43:49 PM , Rating: 2
I blame the idiot who approved it, and the idiot above him who approved it for production.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Rodney McNaggerton on 1/14/2009 5:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
Ford Fusion Hybrid(much larger interior, mind you) 41 MPG city / 34 highway. Just saying.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Oregonian2 on 1/14/2009 7:22:21 PM , Rating: 2
Saw the review for the Ford in the current issue of a car magazine that my wife gets. It's competitor was the Toyota hybrid Camry, a bit larger category as well as quite a LOT more expensive.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Spuke on 1/15/2009 1:39:24 PM , Rating: 2
I think the Fusion was about $6k more than the Prius when you compare base prices but in order to be accurate, you would have to compare similarly equipped cars. The Fusion Hybrid is a well equipped car much like the Camry Hybrids.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Oregonian2 on 1/15/2009 4:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
In any case, we're talking "vs the Insight", which at $18,500 (if it turns out to be that price) is way way less than the Ford Fusion.


RE: Ghastly interior
By Spuke on 1/15/2009 7:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
Gotcha. There's a lot of Prius talk mixed in here. I got confused.


Hmmm, 98HP..
By phazers on 1/14/2009 12:59:27 PM , Rating: 2
Guess we won't see too many stop light drag races between Insights, or even an Insight and a dead tortoise..




RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By lagomorpha on 1/14/2009 1:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
Until Honda loving drag racers take advantage of how light they are with the battery packs stripped out and swap K series engines into them.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By austinag on 1/14/2009 1:12:56 PM , Rating: 1
With all that battery power, why not a flux Capacitor?


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By lagomorpha on 1/14/2009 1:18:08 PM , Rating: 5
Because most drag strips aren't set up to give you a correct time on your run if you cross the 1/4 mile line before you hit the 60' marker.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By therealnickdanger on 1/14/2009 1:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
Well done.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By FITCamaro on 1/14/2009 2:55:17 PM , Rating: 2
Win.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By foolsgambit11 on 1/14/2009 7:42:06 PM , Rating: 2
Because you'll never hit 88 miles per hour in this thing....


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By walk2k on 1/14/2009 1:43:20 PM , Rating: 1
Well, 123ft-lbs at 1,000 rpm is pretty damn good for a Honda.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By Spuke on 1/14/2009 3:08:30 PM , Rating: 2
People were doing that with the original Insight. Also, that's why you see old Civic hatches at the drags. Lightweight. Back in 04, I planned a 92 Civic Hatch with a mildly modded K24 engine and some other goodies. Nissan messed that up a $4k rebate on Spec V's. Bought one of those instead.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By walk2k on 1/14/2009 3:20:21 PM , Rating: 2
The nice thing about electric motors is they provide full torque at 1 RPM, which is why they are so efficient in the city (and the fact they use almost no energy at idle of course). But I don't think the Insight has the top-end power to place real well in the 1/4-mi.

Maybe if there was a 0-30MPH race it would do ok. :)


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By Spuke on 1/14/2009 3:52:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The nice thing about electric motors is they provide full torque at 1 RPM
And what tire allows "full torque" to get to the ground without needless wheelspin? Especially with the skinny, aero-friendly tires that are on these cars. People keep talking about large amounts of low rpm electric motor torque when current tires can't even handle massive higher rpm torque. As a matter of fact, introducing power somewhat gradually over a given rpm range allows the tires to keep traction. Explosive torque is what spins the tires. Unless you're driving around on Mickey Thompson's, you're going to get wheelspin. And these are new cars, the traction control will curb the fun before it even starts. I wouldn't even be surprised if low end torque is further limited other electronic means.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By walk2k on 1/14/2009 3:56:28 PM , Rating: 2
Good point. Actually I think the Insight has some electro-magic that transfers power to the generator in such situations.

In other words, if you stomp on the loud pedal from a stand-still, you'll probably only end up charging the battery faster. :)


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By Spuke on 1/14/2009 4:57:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Good point. Actually I think the Insight has some electro-magic that transfers power to the generator in such situations.
That's pretty interesting.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By technohermit on 1/14/2009 11:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
It is a generator on deceleration because the electric motor spins backwards. Instead of draining the batteries to spin the motor, they spin the electric motor the opposite direction and charge the batteries. On deceleration, not acceleration.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By daInvincibleGama on 1/15/2009 12:48:10 AM , Rating: 1
The tire doesn't care what RPM is engine is running at. The tire-ground interaction is all about force(which is related to torque). So a constant torque from 1RPM - 2000 RPM is better than torque that peaks (explosive torque) around 1500 RPM (like a gas engine). It makes the car handle much more predictably. The advantage of an electric motor is a high, constant torque applied to the wheels. An ICE would apply a variable, sometimes explosive torque, causing wheelspin.

So yeah, you had it backwards there.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By Spuke on 1/15/2009 1:58:26 PM , Rating: 2
At one rpm, you all of a sudden have say 300 lb-ft of torque instantly on today's tires. I don't anything backwards. That's explosive torque and that will cause wheelspin without electronic aids. A gradual rise in torque is NOT explosive (you need to look up the word explosive) and is better managed by today's tires. Gas engines (I'm not politically correct and don't use PC words) don't apply "variable" torque.

You know nothing about engines. It is a gradual curve that ramps up to a specific rpm (as determined by the engine's design intent) and then ramps down. You can have the appearance of explosive torque in a gas engine if the ramp up is fast enough where it overpowers the tires but it's still not instant-on (0 rpm) electric motor torque.


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By lagomorpha on 1/15/2009 3:37:22 PM , Rating: 2
I think you may have missed the gist of the above posts:
1) Original Incite weighed 1800 lbs (less than a CRX)
2) Strip out several hundred lbs of batteries and electric motor so its even lighter
3) Replace engine with something from an RSX Type-S or CRV
4) Add big fat drag slick tires
5) ???
6) Profit


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By Alexvrb on 1/14/2009 11:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
After they completely strip this hybrid car, removing the entire drivetrain (and accessories), and dump tons of money into it, they might have a car that's almost fast. Man that's brilliant. Unless you're implying that you'd use the existing computer, ignition, CVT transmission (designed to handle a 98HP setup), exhaust, accessories, wiring harness, etc. Then it'd still handle like crap without more work. Good luck with that one, buddy!


RE: Hmmm, 98HP..
By RamarC on 1/14/2009 5:16:58 PM , Rating: 2
my first car, a 1985 CR-X Si, had less than 100hp but that didn't stop it from embarrassing a lot of bigger cars in a stoplight-to-stoplight run. of course they'd catch me in longer runs but the Si was quick for short bursts. and cops sure thought it was fast (or so they told me while writing the ticket).


Wow.
By austinag on 1/14/2009 12:53:24 PM , Rating: 5
I really like the look of that Prius, I mean Volt, I mean Insight.




RE: Wow.
By matt0401 on 1/14/2009 2:04:57 PM , Rating: 2
Amusing, but they don't look identical. If you desire a certain trait from a car its competitors will probably look similar because there's something that creates this desired trait that the competitors will take note of. In the case of fuel efficient vehicles, it's this "egg" shape that they all seem to be following, with small wheels, etc.

Personally, if I look back at old American muscle cars I can't tell the difference. To me, they all look the same. Different strokes for different folks, eh?


RE: Wow.
By Fenixgoon on 1/14/2009 2:16:08 PM , Rating: 3
it's true, they all look the same to the laws of aerodynamics =P

damn you universe! *shakes fist*


RE: Wow.
By Spivonious on 1/14/2009 2:20:01 PM , Rating: 2
They have to put the battery pack somewhere, and it seems they all chose underneath the trunk (or boot for our UK readers).


RE: Wow.
By Eris23007 on 1/14/2009 2:42:08 PM , Rating: 2
Funny comment.........

...but the reason these all look the same is because they design them using CFD (computational fluid dynamics) optimization to decrease the coefficient of drag over the body. The shape of all of these is relatively optimal, given the constraints of a car design.

They do similar things when designing aircraft.


RE: Wow.
By Oregonian2 on 1/14/2009 7:25:01 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if they all look the same (with only that mattering) and the Insight goes for less than half the price of the Volt, seems like a good move on Honda's part.


RE: Wow.
By matt0401 on 1/14/2009 8:16:01 PM , Rating: 2
True. It's a great deal for the amount of tech in it. But comparing it to GM's Volt isn't quite 100% accurate. As much as saying (typing?) these words makes my mind tremble and sense of reality bend, GM for once has the technologically-superior vehicle. The 2010 Volt is like the original Prius... revolutionary. Unfortunately, being a decade or so behind in the times has cost GM a hell of a lot of valuable time to refine their tech. Hence their hybrid being so expensive.


RE: Wow.
By Spuke on 1/15/2009 7:37:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hence their hybrid being so expensive.
Not to mention having the ONLY serial hybrid that you'll be able to buy with a warranty and seats 5.


RE: Wow.
By matt0401 on 1/20/2009 1:41:48 AM , Rating: 2
There's no such thing as a "serial" hybrid. If you're referring to a "series" hybrid, then I still think your prediction is stupid. The hybrid market is still expanding and there will be more models introduced. Even then, how exactly is a series hybrid superior to a parallel hybrid which is capable of taking power directly from two sources without conversion loss induced by charging a battery to then immediately drive the wheels? A parallel system can take power directly from whatever is needed at the time it is needed without first sending it through another point in the circuit (hence the term series hybrid, i.e. series circuit)

If your confusing the terms "series" and "plug-in" as technologies hybrid cars can have, then one competitor that seats five is the Prius itself in its 2010 model, along with many other new hybrid models by other competitors.


RE: Wow.
By Reclaimer77 on 1/15/2009 7:58:23 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
GM for once has the technologically-superior vehicle


Given enough 350+ billion dollar blank checks from the treasury, TONKA could make a killer hybrid too. What's your point ?


RE: Wow.
By matt0401 on 1/20/2009 1:44:03 AM , Rating: 2
From a consumer's perspective, it doesn't matter who made the product, who designed it, who advertised it, or what extra funding (no matter how controversial) the company obtained in order to produce it. What the consumer sees is the final product. And technologically, the Volt seems to be superior. That's what my point was.


Impressive
By lagomorpha on 1/14/2009 1:05:02 PM , Rating: 2
"AutoblogGreen, however, was able to manage 63.4 MPG with its test vehicle."

That's what I've been getting on my motorcycle! Of course it's got almost as much power as this car does...




RE: Impressive
By FITCamaro on 1/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Impressive
By kkwst2 on 1/14/2009 6:17:44 PM , Rating: 2
Mr. Obvious, is that you? You might also want to point out that his motorcycle is much lighter, holds fewer people and will likely render him an organ donor in the event of a crash.


RE: Impressive
By Oregonian2 on 1/14/2009 7:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
Twenty some years ago when I was in a hospital where I had a shared hospital room, the other occupant had been in a motorcycle crash. It was very sad to see his wife come in in the evening twilight hours to sit next to his bed and cry. He was a vegetable. Brain damage. Very strong impact on my psyche in regard to motorcycles.


RE: Impressive
By Omega215D on 1/15/2009 2:02:25 AM , Rating: 2
Many of these riders who end up seriously hurt weren't wearing their gear. Plain jeans, shorts, sneakers or sandals won't cut it. Then there's the lack of head gear by wearing a half helmet that meets the minimal of DOT guidelines or not meet any at all.

I've been in a few pretty high speed motorcycle crashes but was able to walk away when I had the proper riding jacket and pants and a full face helmet. There's also the thing about being more aware of the surroundings and granted things can still go wrong. Cars are safer by being enclosed but the ignorance with regards to proper motorcycling can result in unwarranted fears.

A minor thing to note on is the power to weight ratio and how motorcyclists can use it to their advantage to get out of an accident.


RE: Impressive
By Omega215D on 1/15/2009 2:04:36 AM , Rating: 2
I'll trade you my bike for your Camaro for one day =)


styling...so close
By MadMan007 on 1/14/2009 2:39:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a fan of small wagons and hatchbacks. The Mazda 3 5-door is really a nicely styled little car. This thing is so close but they sloped the hatch quite a bit and that gives it a wierd hunchback type appearance rather than the tight racer appearance of the Mazda 3. I imagine it was done for aerodynamic reasons which is understandable but...so close




RE: styling...so close
By matt0401 on 1/14/2009 8:22:28 PM , Rating: 2
I know. This thing is way sexier than most hybrids out there. I know what you mean about the sloping, but I actually don't mind it. And yeah, it was probably done for aerodynamics.

I'm glad that hybrids are finally becoming standard when it comes to fuel efficient technology and so car manufacturers can finally start focusing more on fashion to complement function. These things are starting to look nice. :)


RE: styling...so close
By Byte on 1/14/2009 9:30:04 PM , Rating: 1
Hybrids are seriously for hippies. 40 something / 40 something? That's pathetic. Go to Europe you can get 60+ without a few hundred pounds combustible metal.


RE: styling...so close
By Spectator on 1/15/2009 3:33:49 AM , Rating: 1
Those wheels are so small the rolling radius of 1 turn of the motor will be about 4 feet :P

Surely its more efficient to use big rims. 1 turn of the motor = twice the distance traveled = twice the ecconomy?

Chukkle


RE: styling...so close
By chavv on 1/15/2009 7:16:15 AM , Rating: 2
unfortunately physics dusagrees with you :P


At least users can replace the batteries
By DuctTapeAvenger on 1/14/2009 3:55:07 PM , Rating: 2
Instead of using those darn pesky proprietary batteries, you can just hit up your local electronics shop for 294 two-packs of Energizer e2 rechargeable d-cells.




RE: At least users can replace the batteries
By b534202 on 1/14/2009 6:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
I look forward to the day when car commercials are like toy commericals and end with "batteries not included".


RE: At least users can replace the batteries
By Oregonian2 on 1/14/2009 7:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
I don't. I fully expect batteries to be included! I hate opening packages and having no batteries!


By foolsgambit11 on 1/14/2009 8:09:30 PM , Rating: 1
294 2-packs, at about $10 a piece. So let's call it an even $3000. Yeah, that's way worse than not getting 2 AA batteries with your new alarm clock.


Beautiful Interior with GPS nav!
By SpaceJumper on 1/14/2009 1:00:10 PM , Rating: 1
Honda did it again, the best car for its class. Great price!!




RE: Beautiful Interior with GPS nav!
By FITCamaro on 1/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Beautiful Interior with GPS nav!
By Oregonian2 on 1/14/2009 7:33:00 PM , Rating: 2
Class of 2010 model cars!

:-)


By matt0401 on 1/14/2009 8:19:47 PM , Rating: 2
A hybrid car that costs less than most family sedans... Best of its class. Or at least that's what we can presume. It's a Honda, so it's a given that it will be one of the best in its class, but it's a bit early to give it the crown and call it the absolute best.


LX Model's Seat Cover Quality
By kmil on 1/17/2009 2:21:42 AM , Rating: 2
I am seeing more and more posts about the "cheap" quality of the interior (cheap plastics etc),especially the SEATS which are said to have a VERY "cheap" cloth covering. I understand the EX model may have upgraded cloth....BUT if the LX model has "thin cheap cloth" its a NO BUY for me. Anyone who has any knowledge about the quality of the seats cloth please email me at: kmil123@msn.com

Thanks!




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