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SATA II nightmares continue for MacBook Pro owners

It's been nearly three months since Apple released its 1.7 firmware update to address performance limiting issues with the initial 1.6 firmware that shipped with the latest 13" and 15" MacBook Pro notebooks. The 1.6 firmware limited interface speeds of SATA II drive to just 1.5 Gbps instead of the full spec speed of 3.0 Gbps.

The documentation provided with the 1.7 firmware update notes that:

MacBook Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.7 addresses an issue reported by a small number of customers using drives based on the SATA 3Gbps specification with the June 2009 MacBook Pro. While this update allows drives to use transfer rates greater than 1.5Gbps, Apple has not qualified or offered these drives for Mac notebooks and their use is unsupported.

The key phrasing here is "Apple has not qualified or offered these drives for Mac notebooks and their use is unsupported." Given that the latest 13" and 15" MacBook Pros have a SATA II interface and that most HDDs and SSDs use a SATA II interface, this wording by Apple is quite peculiar. The SATA II interface is after all a storage standard that is used by nearly every new notebook and desktop computer sold today.

Considering that a 128GB SSD option on a 13" MacBook Pro is going for $400, many owners have purchased cheaper alternatives from the likes of OCZ and Patriot which offer Indilinix-based SSDs that offer performance that rival Intel's X-25M lineup. These Indilinx drives are also much faster than the Samsung-supplied SSDs offered by Apple. However, owners are finding out that Apple's implementation of the SATA II specification on 13" and 15" MacBook Pro models coupled with the "fixed" 1.7 firmware are causing a lot of headaches.

An 89-page thread on the Apple Discussion forums tells the tale of numerous users battling with SATA II SSDs not originally supplied by Apple and also with traditional SATA II HDDs from the likes of Western Digital, Seagate, and Toshiba. User IanBurrell, the 13" MacBook Pro user that started the original thread on June 23, detailed his problems with a 320GB HDD that he took from an older MacBook to put in his new machine, "After the firmware update yesterday, the machine has started freezing randomly; the spinner comes up sometimes when reading or writing to the drive. The hard drive, a WD Scorpio Blue, supports SATA II. My suspicion is that there are intermittent data errors when using the SATA 3 Gbps interface. It could be an incompatibility between the controller and drive or the ribbon cable isn't good enough for newer SATA."

Vitaeergo confirmed these issues with a post stating, "I had an Intel X25 installed in my new (2 days old) MBP 15 which worked splendidly before the update. Afterwards, the MBP won't even recognize the drive, although I can use the drive in other machines."

User mvillarreal posted this morning, "A couple of days ago i upgraded the HD of my Macbook Pro unibody with a Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD5000BEVT 500GB 5400 RPM 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s. And i stared to have the same problem as everybody. The MBP works fine most of the time but something triggers a pause in the hard drive, monitoring with the Active Monitor when copying a 34 Gb file, the hard drive does to 0 for about 15 to 20 sec. every 1.8 to 2 Gb copied."

Some users, however, are even having problems with their SATA II drives that were originally supplied with their MacBooks after performing the 1.7 firmware update. "I'm experiencing the freezing (spinwheel etc) very often as well, but I just have the standard 250gb hard drive that comes in the high end 13 inch macbook pro. It only started after the firmware upgrade, too. Does that make sense," noted 13" MacBook Pro user Kevin222.

Apple has still not responded to user complaints over the SATA II issues -- in fact, some users have even gone so far as to use an unsupported 1.7 firmware-to-1.6 firmware downgrade tool to bring their machines back to "safer" 1.5 Gbps SATA I transfer speeds.

Some users have speculated that the problem is simply a poorly designed SATA cable between the HDD/SSD and the motherboard or a faulty SATA II implementation that Apple fails to acknowledge. Previous MacBooks and MacBook Pros using the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M platform don't have these SATA II issues, so the latter could be possible.

Despite the problems, Apple remains mum about the issues and doesn't appear to be willing to talk about them or a possible fix.

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Apple will remain 'mum'
By AthlonBoy on 9/12/2009 7:48:24 AM , Rating: 5
Getting a response on this subject will be as hard as drawing blood from a stone.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Brandon Hill on 9/12/2009 7:52:29 AM , Rating: 4
You obviously haven't seen South Park Season 9, Episode 14 :)

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By ersts on 9/12/2009 10:18:50 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't you buy this laptop Brandon?

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Brandon Hill on 9/12/2009 10:20:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, so I'm familiar with the problem :-)

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Chillin1248 on 9/13/2009 4:25:55 AM , Rating: 3
I also bought the near same laptop. After only a year the intergrated mouse pad has ceased to respond. This would be the second time I have to send in the laptop for repairs, and this laptop only stays at home on a base station.

After this I am afraid that I will not purchase another Apple laptop for the foreseeable future until they iron out their quality issues. This is all personal experience and is not meant to be reference to all Apple laptops in general, just my experience has been less than satisfactory. Especially since I have a Toshiba laptop that is working perfectly for over 5 years.


RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Aenslead on 9/13/2009 5:22:43 PM , Rating: 1
So... partly off-subject...

How come Anandtech, one of the most reliable sources for IT & Computer reviews and information, is ran and edited by people who love Apple and have no fear in expressing it every time they can? Shouldn't they be more 'in love' with what they work? I mean, ok... not Windows fanboys, or Linux by that matter... but... Apple?

Its like being in charge of NVIDIA marketing and praising AMD everytime possible.

Its rather ironic or unconventional, isn't it? Why not just open a Mac-only site?

Just an idea that came to me. Wanted to express it.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Chillin1248 on 9/13/2009 9:48:18 PM , Rating: 2
I fail to see where you draw your comparison.

People use many different computers and other IT products from a plethora of manufacturers and companies. So saying that I use an Apple in know way shows any expression of "love" for the company, especially when the rest of the systems are Windows based.

Apple is a major computer manufacturer and one of the few to distribute a widely based computer operating system.


RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Aenslead on 9/14/2009 12:26:04 AM , Rating: 3
Yes, yes, yes, I agree with that; I was not reffering to your specific case.

For example, Anand (with all due respect): he has access to pretty much the very best hardware in the industry, yet his every-day use systems are a MacBook and his MacPro.

Isn't that ironic? Is the Guru of PCs stating that Macs are better?

I mean... shouldn't you use at least the high-end of the PC stuff you are reviewing?

Both systems do pretty much the same, except 99% of your audience happens to be a PC user, and him, the one who knows more than many of us, rather sticks to an Apple. Kinda sends a mixed message?

Its far different than if he used... say... a Toshiba, HP, Dell, etc.; all of them are technically the same, sauf the brand.

By damianrobertjones on 9/14/2009 8:36:42 AM , Rating: 2
Perks of the job to push apple

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By MrBlastman on 9/14/2009 11:12:40 AM , Rating: 2
If a million lemmings jumped off a cliff, would you follow them too because it was the 'in' thing?

Probably not.

Whether Anand uses a Mac or not is not relevant to myself in the least. Perhaps he likes how it looks, perhaps his wife begged and begged and promised oral pleasure for a year if he caved--who knows? (though, for oral pleasure for a year I think I would even consider giving in ;) ).

Who knows. I think the majority of geeks who visit Anandtech could care in the least what kind of computer the head honcho actually uses. I was under the impression most of us buy to fit our needs. Maybe I'm mistaken...?

I wouldn't put Anand in the i-drone camp given the quality of his site and chalk it up to some extraneous esoteric reason that he uses them rather than simply Apple marketing or looks.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By afkrotch on 9/17/2009 6:19:21 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with you on this one. I don't give a rat's ass what Anand uses on a day to day basis. So long as he's still putting out accurate information and doesn't toss in some kind of bias opinion in his articles, then it's not an issue.

For me, I use Win PCs. They fit my needs. It's not something that Apple can do, cause I'm a gamer. Apple makes a good product and like any product, it can have hiccups. I doubt anyone can say they've used a Windows PC and have never had a BSOD, driver issue, firmware issue, etc. Flip the page and the same can be said with OSX. I also doubt a single person can say they haven't had a kernel panic, driver issue, firmware issue, etc with OSX/Mac.

The only fault I can have with Apple is their price. It's high. But so is an Alienware, VoodooPC, Falcon Northwest, etc.

I can also fault those Apple lovers too though. You know the kind. The ones that think their Mac is better than sex and keep trying to push the crap on you, even though time and time again, you tell them that it does not fit your needs.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By MonkeyPaw on 9/12/2009 9:01:36 AM , Rating: 5
Getting a response on this subject will be as hard as drawing blood from a stone.

Basically, they have. Apple has said that the customers with this problem are in the minority, and their upgrade activities are unsupported. That's the corporate way of saying "Screw you." Besides, they are too busy investing their money in false advertising to fix "minor" issues like these.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Chadder007 on 9/12/2009 12:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
I have the base 160gb hard drive in my 13 MBP, since I have updated the firmware to 1.7 I can also tell a difference in performance. I have occasional pauses and an obviously slower time to open programs.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By jonmcc33 on 9/12/09, Rating: -1
RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Brandon Hill on 9/12/2009 9:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
The read/write speed of the HDD has nothing to do with the scope of this problem.

The problem is in relation to Apple's implementation of the SATA II interface on MacBooks which is causing a number of SATA II storage devices (be they SATA II HDDs or SSDs) to have freezing/locking problems.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By chick0n on 9/13/2009 12:33:45 AM , Rating: 5
You, sir, is a dumbass.

if you dont know what you're talking about, please just shut up.


RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Mitch101 on 9/12/2009 9:59:32 AM , Rating: 5
"We don't know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk,” Steve Jobs

I guess they cant make a $1100+ one work right either.

Time to do it yourself.

How to Build a Hackintosh with Snow Leopard, Start to Finish

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By kray on 9/12/2009 8:40:38 PM , Rating: 5
"We don't know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk but we do know how to make a $1000 one"

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Kaldor on 9/14/2009 2:35:10 PM , Rating: 2
So worth a 6

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Marlonsm on 9/12/2009 12:24:58 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think we'll get an answer from Apple so easily.

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By dragonman78gm2j on 9/12/2009 9:35:11 PM , Rating: 3
I was about to buy the Macbook Pro 13" but after reading the problems on the web, I decided otherwise and do the next best thing - Buy a Dell Inspiron 1320 [13.3" LED screen with ATI Chip 4330, 4GB Memory & 500GB hard disk - all at 1.90 Kg but no internal DVD Drive]with free upgrades to Windows 7. About half the price of the Macbook Pro 13" for the same hardware configuration. Should be receiving my Dell Notebook next 2 days.

Initially, I do not mind paying for the Apple & waited for " a real fixed" of the SATA II issues. It is not forthcoming. The staff at Apple Store Centre does not even know it exists !!! Why take the risks especially you have to pay much more !!!

By damianrobertjones on 9/13/2009 6:02:54 AM , Rating: 3
Spare $$$ to also get an extended warranty! Nice

RE: Apple will remain 'mum'
By Jeffk464 on 9/13/2009 12:03:18 PM , Rating: 3
I pity the fools

By damianrobertjones on 9/12/2009 9:45:04 AM , Rating: 5
Imagine a world where, suddenly, apple gathers a whole load of market share.... then, they open OSX to the masses of hardware configurations that are available.

At this point, the world may come crashing down. I respect Windows in a way I may never respect apple, yet many people around me seem to forget that apple does have it easy in many, many ways. Knock Microsoft all you like, but they get the job done on such a wide scale that Apple can only ever dream of doing.

Apple, fiox the darn problem already as you're starting to throw egg on your own face

RE: Apple
By Yaron on 9/12/2009 9:57:35 AM , Rating: 5

This SATAII issue is a real shame.

And another thing: I am running Mac OS X on a Hackintosh and what's funny is that I get double the performance, for half the cost and with almost no trouble. People go out and invest their good money in expensive products that are supposed to be of high quality and then they get stuck with a freaking *HARD DISK CONTROLLER* that doesn't work... I mean, are we in 1990 or 2009?! At least they don't need to set IRQs...

RE: Apple
By afkrotch on 9/17/2009 6:26:13 AM , Rating: 2
If you look inside an Apple, the parts aren't high quality. Just good quality. It's not like they're rocking an Asus, Gigabyte, etc board. It's a generic Foxconn, with value memory. Granted, value memory from a good company.

Now the case they put a lot of work into. That is what is high quality. The innards not so much.

RE: Apple
By ImSpartacus on 9/12/2009 10:27:24 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I have a new MBP13 and haven't had any problems with it, but you pose a fantastic point. Apple can make a good product because they have such control over their market.

If Apple ever wants to be serious about their OS they will have to open it up to any computer. Not everyone can pony up a $1000 for a laptop and twice that for a desktop that doesn't suck.

But it's kinda pitiful that they cannot keep their machines without flaws with such a tight lock on them.

RE: Apple
By jconan on 9/12/2009 5:23:47 PM , Rating: 2
Even if Apple did release their OSX to the wild it will take awhile for them to reach the level of Microsoft in terms of support for hardware variations that are beyond Apple's range. If Apple did want to build on and release their OS to the public on a wide scale and make profit, they should release a hardware spec. and Apple hardware certification and charge companies for the Apple moniker as they already do for all those iPod accessories. Apple should toss in a DSP acceleration card/dongle or something in the range like Microsoft OEM if they want to limit the types of hardware build.

RE: Apple
By Penti on 9/13/2009 11:18:14 PM , Rating: 1
They did that and failed, both Apple Computer (PowerMac Clones) and NeXT Software (Which was named NeXT Computer for a while) failed to do this.

However they do have a dilemma when it comes to server software, you can't even run it under vmware ESX and have to use Apple servers, and if you want virtualization you need to run VMware Fusion under OS X. This limits it to just niches and it won't be adopted widely trough an organization. Besides they went to EFI to avoid the mess (which they now emulates) with BIOSes, to move to supporting bioses now will just make it to much work, shipping EFI emulators doesn't sound that good and doesn't solved the problems with PCI-e cards that needs EFI firmware or at least some way of being properly detected. Please remember that Apple is an OEM, that wont change. So those who don't want their hardware but likes their software have to make due with hackintoshes just like most of DIYers make do with pirated Windows copies (retail costs like 299, OEM aren't legal for your own self built machines). Windows only works legally and in production environments when you buy a OEM PC, OS X only works legally and in production environments when you buy a Apple PC, not much difference, a PC workstation can cost to much to justify buying it from an OEM too.

But but but its APPLE! APPLE!
By SiliconAddict on 9/13/2009 1:52:00 AM , Rating: 1
Who cares about the guts of the system. Its APPLE BITCH! As long as it has THE logo its perfect.

RE: But but but its APPLE! APPLE!
By MeloManiac2 on 9/14/09, Rating: -1
RE: But but but its APPLE! APPLE!
By damianrobertjones on 9/14/2009 8:51:09 AM , Rating: 3
I actually think that it's more to do with the blind faith and ignorance to marketing that gets on peoples goat. The adverts, for one, are an insult to anyone who uses a pc, with the mac being superior when we all know that they are all boxes with bits that move.

Personally, I've not had problems with windows machines for a few years now (My own) with problems arising from other peoples machines due to viruses caught from strange music sites and the obvious pron addictions.

Overall, looking at it from an admins standpoint and using Windows day to day, I see no obvious reason to move to Macs as at the end of the day, they all do the same thing and they do them well.

I do, however, get really annoyed when web sites seem to worhsip Apple. For instance, Toms Hardware posted six+ articles over two days, 4 articles which could be condensed into one. It's happening more and more and all I can suggest is that people are getting a few 'perks' of the job from apple.

Anandtech is heading the same way. Either way, the moment apple gathers market share, which it will, the problems will start to increase.

By damianrobertjones on 9/14/2009 8:54:52 AM , Rating: 3
P.s. Case in point: Dailytech article on the Apple tablet. Where was the article on the Toshiba Tablet that's making news?

Apple makes the top ten Amazon list. Link to the list? Numbers? How many downloads of WIndows 7 from Technet? Selective reporting.

RE: But but but its APPLE! APPLE!
By MeloManiac2 on 9/14/2009 10:31:20 AM , Rating: 2
I certainly don't worship any corporation, Apple included. I am in that respect not a very loyal customer. I will buy into solutions that fulfill my needs. And some of Apple's products fulfill my needs and are to me a much better product that Windows-equipped equivalents. Mostly because of their OS which I think is miles ahead of Windows in the way it's streamlined and has always used the gfx card for visual purposes in the OS (expose, dashboard and the whole way it generally uses the power of the GPU to move objects around) whereas up until Vista (and still in Vista in many ways) the GUI could still screw up seriously and lag behind because the CPU is used for these things (like if you move a window and let go of it while the program is very busy and you get several copies of the same window pasted on the desktop until the CPU can handle it). So in that respect, and not just GUI-wise, I think OS X is a much more mature and user friendly OS than Windows... Gives me a more pleasant experience, essentially, which is probably something many hardcore "nerds" (some of them udoubtly posting here) don't give a sh*t about, but I do and so do many in the general public.

I don't know about the Apple worshipping - maybe, but did it start all by itself, or because Apple created innovative and eye opening products that made media + public pay attention? You can't force people to buy crap they don't like - at least not more than once. And both Mac, iPod and iPhone market share have increased more and more. There's a reason Apple get a lot of attention, just like some actors and artists get more attention in the media - because the media and the public think they are interesting. That's how it works. So I guess it's just up to Sony, IBM, Lenovo, Toshiba etc. to make their products and their companies seem more interesting if they want to compete with Apple for media coverage. How to do that? Create some cool, iconic products like Apple have done. Easy as pie, right?...

By damianrobertjones on 9/14/2009 2:48:07 PM , Rating: 2
Can't complain about that level headed reply there.

...However... The adverts and cool factor have played more with apple products than anything else when you think about it. You have the iPod: Very, very poor audio performance (Supposedly, according to the tech and experts), drm music (not as bad as it used to be) and the best of all.. On holiday around three people all asked me if my phone's an iPhone. I replied, 'It's a samsung Omnia i900' and all three looked blank and walked off. Image. It's important. :)

Also, a lot of people are moving to macs due to the image of stability and the fact that they're sick of having problems with Windows. Well... most of those people caused the problems in the first place. What goes around, comes around. Either way, what works for both of us is doing the job. Apple, linux, Dos :), Windows...

(Haven't seen window re-draw for awhile now!)

RE: But but but its APPLE! APPLE!
By Kaldor on 9/14/2009 3:00:16 PM , Rating: 3
I agree 100%. I want to kick Justin Long in the sack every time I see a Mac/PC commercial. But then I remember him trying to dodge the wrench in Dodgeball...

I swear Apples marketing people could sell ice to Eskimos though. And thats the major part of the problem. People are too willing to be lead along like sheep. They watch TV and see idiots like Justin Long make fun of John Hodgman and think "Boy that is funny, maybe Ill buy a Mac" or some shit like that even though it has nothing to do with buying a computer and is about 90% fiction.

People will learn sooner or later. Macs are a decent product, but for what your buying a PC will cover most people and at a much lesser price. But some people have lots of money and like P.T. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute."

in regards to the Apple discussion forum
By KeithP on 9/12/2009 5:16:13 PM , Rating: 3
This is neither here nor there but in regards to your comment about the 89 page thread in the Apple discussion forum, the way you wrote about it leads me to believe you don't understand the nature of those forums.

While they are moderated by Apple, Apple does not respond to anything in those forums. They are user to user forums. The fact that the thread remains as unresolved is controlled by the original user posting the thread, not Apple.

To me, this presents a big problem because the link to the forum is from Apple's support section of their main web site but the only people providing answers are individual users not affiliated with Apple. Any Joe Blow and can register and say anything he wants.


RE: in regards to the Apple discussion forum
By ersts on 9/12/09, Rating: -1
RE: in regards to the Apple discussion forum
By Pneumothorax on 9/13/2009 10:21:40 AM , Rating: 3
Hmmm. At least my previous 2 "Indian-serviced" Dell laptops didn't have a problem with non-OEM sourced hard drives with a 4 YEAR OLD + SATA 2 STANDARD

BTW, my 1st 13" MBP and the 2nd 13" MBP has seen a genius several times and there is NO FIX for this other than capping my SSD at SATA 1 speeds...

By Pneumothorax on 9/13/2009 10:24:53 AM , Rating: 3
AND one more thing, trying to get in to see a Genius at my local Apple store (BTW is a 45min drive) outside usual 9-5 weekday hours either results in a long wait times or trying to play the schedule lottery by refreshing the appointment genius appt website several days in advance. With my XPS laptops, they actually sent a tech to my job to swap out parts for me.

IT just WORKS?!!!!
By Pneumothorax on 9/12/2009 10:05:03 AM , Rating: 3
I've currently have the late unibody 08' 15" MBP and previously had a well running 13" alu MB original with a 160gb x-25. Seeing the 7 hour battery life and the firewire 800 port I "upgraded" to the new 13 MBP. After tossing out Apple's POS stock SATA I 250gb drive and putting in my X-25 I noticed the speeds were being capped to SATA I levels. Eventually apple released the 1.7 firmware to 3.0 speeds and now I get random freezes and such. exchanged machine, same problems as the newer machines all have 1.7 standard. Even bought a 500gb WD BEVT and still freezes. I'm starting to thing it's the "iPod Thin" SATA cable that apple uses to connect the HD to the motherboard... Problem is the space is so tight around the cable that they would have to redesign or dremel the case (gasps at the sight of a "Genius" holding a dremel to his MB) to make a thicker/better shielded cable fit.

RE: IT just WORKS?!!!!
By Mitch101 on 9/12/2009 10:13:23 AM , Rating: 2
This is pretty reminiscent of the NVIDIA SATA with NCQ issue I had a few mobo's ago (3 years ago?). Drives would work for a while then 1-3 months out you would get drive corruption. It was a combination of the NVIDIA drivers and NCQ enabled in the bios. If you disabled NCQ and used the Microsoft drivers the board would work well with the drives but at that point I switched to an IDE drive because I didnt trust SATA on the mobo any more. Kind of sounds like history is repeating itself but with Apple.

RE: IT just WORKS?!!!!
By Pneumothorax on 9/12/2009 10:28:17 AM , Rating: 2
You would've thought Apple learned with the 8600 issues that the MBP had, that they would go with another vendor for their chipset.

Apple - It just works.
By lightfoot on 9/14/2009 1:45:04 PM , Rating: 3
Apple: It Just Works*

* Product in box may differ from one pictured on box. System specifications are exaggerated for marketing purposes. Some features only available if enabled by Apple. Millions of colors really means thousands of colors, but you can't tell the difference. 3 Gbps really means that the hardware is capable and will be implemented in a firmware upgrade in 6 to 12 months, upgrade fees apply. Apple will repair any issue with the product free of charge in the first three years, shipping, parts, and labor charges not included. Please allow 14-28 days for repairs. Your battery may be changed at any Apple store once every 3 months or 3,000 miles for a nominal fee. Service not available in all areas. Void where prohibited and in the states of NY, NJ, CA, TX and MA. Please recycle.

RE: Apple - It just works.
By PascalT on 9/15/2009 9:24:28 AM , Rating: 2
That's what you get when your laptops are 3x more expensive than the competition. :(

It's not just the unsupported upgrades
By Vandakter on 9/12/2009 11:36:48 AM , Rating: 2
I have been running in the same problem with a new MBP 13" with the stock 160gb drive. Just watching movies, using applications will cause the "spinning ball" where the whole machine goes unresponsive for 10-15 seconds.

According to the 89 page thread, there's a rumor that Apple geniuses have access to a tool from Apple to downgrade the firmware. I just might try that instead of risking voiding my warranty.

By Brandon Hill on 9/12/2009 12:46:47 PM , Rating: 2
The tool that I linked to in the article is the same one that the geniuses use afaik.

Sue Apple!
By jhb116 on 9/12/2009 1:30:02 PM , Rating: 4
Given the Apple adds, specifically the Mac/PC ones, that say that Macs just work and are virus free - maybe some Apple owners can get a class action together much like the one against M$ with the whole hardware requirements business for Vista? It would certainly be ironic.....

Um, Genius?
By kake on 9/12/2009 2:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
I find Apple calling their techs 'Genius's to be, well, silly.

Do they only hire people with 140 IQ's and above? And if so, where can I get information on the brainwashing method they're using on these brilliant people to get them to work in Apple Stores? With power like that I could convince my ex that she doesn't need to slowly leach me dry anymore.

RE: Um, Genius?
By boogerlad on 9/12/2009 4:45:31 PM , Rating: 2
It just DOESN'T work.


By damianrobertjones on 9/12/2009 2:55:38 PM , Rating: 2
This is what you Mac @*!gots get !
By chick0n on 9/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: This is what you Mac @*!gots get !
By MeloManiac2 on 9/14/09, Rating: 0
By chick0n on 9/15/2009 11:30:34 AM , Rating: 1
You Mac losers are still dumb fucks.

got it ? dumb fuck.

I sense a I'm a frozen mac Parody
By Belard on 9/15/2009 2:47:18 PM , Rating: 1
Come on...

Someone can make it easy... With Mac Boy freezing every 10 seconds (It can only be a 1min parody).

- - Cue up jingle music, fade to white cheap space and two guys --

PC: I'm a PC and I'm here to talk about the new ThinkPad T400s notebook with a super fast Drive SSD.
Mac: I'm a Mac, I can't use those, I think.

PC: Why is that?
Mac: Apple knew they screwed up, so they shipped me out with a defect and covered it with a patch.

PC: You're being paranoid. Thats not like you. The UAC will like this. (whispers) he hates it when I try to do something.
MAC: Yeah, I re~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (pause) remember that guy, he is scary.

PC: ?
Mac: But yes, all drives are SATA-II as well as controllers, but my new KICK-ASS apple has it turned off to half speed so new SSD drives run slow.

PC: What was that?
MAC: Huh? Apple fixed my my SATA issue. A simple P-Patch (points to arm with a 1/7" written patch)

PC: You're broken! It's NOT just me! You're broken.
MAC: No, I have a bullet proof $3000 body, I I I I (pause) own you.

PC: No. A family of 4 can buy 4 notebooks to your one. They own computers.
MAC: People hate Ha ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (pause) Vista.

PC: Oh mac, that is so 2008. Windows7 out in a few weeks. Remember that girl from last week? She doesn't have to compromise. So don't go all Palin on me.
Mac: YOU LIE! ~~~ ~ ~ ~ (pause) uh Oh.

PC: ? ? No, even many XP users like Windows7 and... (Sniff) What the... did you? You shit yourself?
MAC: Titanium Ti (staggers off screen) Bullets. One Piece.

PC: Oh, the T400s, its Tornado proof and can be run over by a truck!
MAC: Sa-Sa Safari! I like Animals. Mooo Mooo (Crash) Silence.

PC: Huh? (Takes out a Cell phone & dials) Hello Geeksquad? I have a friend who crashed... its a Mac.
(evil grin)

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"I'm an Internet expert too. It's all right to wire the industrial zone only, but there are many problems if other regions of the North are wired." -- North Korean Supreme Commander Kim Jong-il

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